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  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #11

    Now we know how to draft for defense.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Go check out how many different spots JJ was used under Wade and beyond.    It isn't so much the "43" as it becomes about finding what the strength of his play style is vs what your philosphy and gameplanning calls for attacking offenses on particular downs, distances and personnel groupings.

    I don't need to because I agree with your point.   My point was there were a lot of scouts (pre-draft) saying JJ would only work in a 3 man front which made me wonder if they ever took the time to really research him the way they should have.   More specifically, don't let the red hair and freckles tell you about his quicks, power and fast twitchies.  Research the lad if your team is counting on you to get it right about him before they draft...

    While Wisconsin kept him in a 3 man front, they even moved him around on occasion.  For example, they lined him up over Ohio State's All Conference Center in certain situations on a night they stymied Ohio State's offense and Terrelle Pryor in particular.   Nothing about JJ predicted limited ability or fitness to just 1 front or schematic.  As I've said previously, Watt reminded me of Richard Seymore pre-draft.  I meant that as a compliment at the time while hindsight 20/20 has me thinking it was more of an insult (considering JJ was even better than Seymore).

    It's good to have DL that can fit either front or scheme so when injuries rear their ugly head - you still have the personnel to fit both if that makes sense.  For example, NE once had Willie McGinest and Richard Seymore that could fit either front or scheme. Richard could also kick inside in their 4 man front or play on the edge.  pertaining to our topic of discussion, if we're going DL at #10 - it would be nice to have a guy wired for all schemes.  I know we want our DC wired for all schemes; so having DL wired for that as well won't hurt.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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    @flugel said:

     For example, they lined him up over Ohio State's All Conference Center in certain situations on a night they stymied Ohio State's offense 

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

  • @flugel said:

     For example, they lined him up over Ohio State's All Conference Center in certain situations on a night they stymied Ohio State's offense 

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    I hear ya!   I HATED that game; but I'll never forget it unfortunately... 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    I hear ya!   I HATED that game; but I'll never forget it unfortunately... 

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    I hear ya!   I HATED that game; but I'll never forget it unfortunately... 

    I tried to.

    Woke up in the bed of a truck in the parking lot at Sonic.     However, let me tell you about them tater tots.

  • @flugel said:

    I hear ya!   I HATED that game; but I'll never forget it unfortunately... 

    I tried to.

    Woke up in the bed of a truck in the parking lot at Sonic.     However, let me tell you about them tater tots.

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    I tried to.

    Woke up in the bed of a truck in the parking lot at Sonic.     However, let me tell you about them tater tots.

    Small World ? champ.. Instead of a job transfer'ing to the big city of Raleigh,NC (which i did transfer too years later).. I first, chose the Beach life ?️ of Sneeds Ferry & Surf City.& still own a family beach house in Topsail Island. It's just outside of where I Worked in Jacksonville,NC..If you were on the Base? You were on Freedom Way or Camp Lejeune* Blvd..(landmark check* some of theEE best strip joint bodies ever seen?) or I worked on Western Blvd. where those tots were the Bomb diggity of all tots for lunch or dinner  https://sonicdrivein.com/-/totchos   

  • @flugel said:

     Whoever SF had watching our defensive formations - helped Breida almost break the speed of sound the very first time they ran the ball (for an uncontested TD). 

    First play off the Bus & My first thought were, "Demarious Randall must of aged like 10 years flying from east to west coast".. Randall had the best angle to make a play. playing deep safety. But not with his first 3rd step "stuck in the mud" Tackling Angle...

      (hit to 1:17 for starter)  Christ, Cal & a pack of blind Dawgs could hit this hole... Welcome to our Defensive nightmares Joe Woods !!... I'll take one Chris Jones & a new back end on Defense for starters..   

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
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    @gumby73 said:

    First play off the Bus & My first thought were, "Demarious Randall must of aged like 10 years flying from east to west coast".. Randall had the best angle to make a play. playing deep safety. But not with his first 3rd step "stuck in the mud" Tackling Angle...

      (hit to 1:17 for starter)  Christ, Cal & a pack of blind Dawgs could hit this hole... Welcome to our Defensive nightmares Joe Woods !!... I'll take one Chris Jones & a new back end on Defense for starters..   

    I had a nice view of that run from the corner End zone right over the back pylon.  I had Niner fans on each side screaming in my ear too. And then that damn fog horn going off. 
     

    the best part of that trip was the “cheap” beer $8 across the street at some golf course. Had some good clam chowder too some hole in the wall in downtown SF 

    I can’t understand the love affair some fans have with Randall he had an awful year.  I’m not a PFF guy but I can’t imagine they were kind to him.  To make matters worse he talks a big $&@“” game and delivers nothing.  

  • @flugel said:

     Whoever SF had watching our defensive formations - helped Breida almost break the speed of sound the very first time they ran the ball (for an uncontested TD). 

    First play off the Bus & My first thought were, "Demarious Randall must of aged like 10 years flying from east to west coast".. Randall had the best angle to make a play. playing deep safety. But not with his first 3rd step "stuck in the mud" Tackling Angle...

      (hit to 1:17 for starter)  Christ, Cal & a pack of blind Dawgs could hit this hole... Welcome to our Defensive nightmares Joe Woods !!... I'll take one Chris Jones & a new back end on Defense for starters..   

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    @gumby73 said:

    First play off the Bus & My first thought were, "Demarious Randall must of aged like 10 years flying from east to west coast".. Randall had the best angle to make a play. playing deep safety. But not with his first 3rd step "stuck in the mud" Tackling Angle...

      (hit to 1:17 for starter)  Christ, Cal & a pack of blind Dawgs could hit this hole... Welcome to our Defensive nightmares Joe Woods !!... I'll take one Chris Jones & a new back end on Defense for starters..   

    Is this "Cal has a 4 yr artificial knee and never played sports" joke?

    dammit. LOL

  • @vambo said:

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/new-browns-defensive-coordinator-joe-woods-will-stick-with-4-3-defense.html

     “I know the personnel here is tailored toward a 4-3 scheme, which I’m very comfortable with. We’ll stay with the 4-3 system here and focus on putting the guys in the right positions to make plays.”

    When he watches film and sees that finding Waldo is way easier than finding a 2nd or 3rd LBer in formation last year - he'll clarify that he is changing us back to a 4-3 base.  We'll probably go with 4 men up front most of the time; but situations will vary whether we're using LBers or DBs in the second tier as well as how many we use there.

    In fairness to our new DC - when they played us, he was only responsible for watching our offense on film. Whoever SF had watching our defensive formations - helped Breida almost break the speed of sound the very first time they ran the ball (for an uncontested TD). 

    jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    When he watches film and sees that finding Waldo is way easier than finding a 2nd or 3rd LBer in formation last year - he'll clarify that he is changing us back to a 4-3 base.  We'll probably go with 4 men up front most of the time; but situations will vary whether we're using LBers or DBs in the second tier as well as how many we use there.

    In fairness to our new DC - when they played us, he was only responsible for watching our offense on film. Whoever SF had watching our defensive formations - helped Breida almost break the speed of sound the very first time they ran the ball (for an uncontested TD). 

    We're so short on LBs it's not even funny. And we BETTER sign Schobert. 

  • @flugel said:

     For example, they lined him up over Ohio State's All Conference Center in certain situations on a night they stymied Ohio State's offense 

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    Jacksonville NC, the armpit of NC.

  • CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on last edited by
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    Just caught the end of Woods’ presser. He seems like a high energy coach that will have the respect of this defense. I haven’t heard much of him but I already like him

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Please don't.            I was in Jacksonville, NC that night getting black-out drunk with Marines before their deployment.       We started a little late because that opening kick-off hurt my heart to the point I started going straight from the bottle.    The evening took a nasty left turn after that.   Only high point I remember was Boom stiff arming JJ into oblivion but then the crushing realization we wouldn't be playing for a natty afterwards.   

    Only 3 of us were from Ohio out of that group, but everybody there felt that loss.

    Jacksonville NC, the armpit of NC.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Jacksonville NC, the armpit of NC.

    Worse that pawn city (Fayetteville)?

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Jacksonville NC, the armpit of NC.

    Worse that pawn city (Fayetteville)?

    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Worse that pawn city (Fayetteville)?

    Both bout equally as bad.