Calfox's annual first pre-combine stupid mock draft
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another thing this may be a stretch but what if a qb needy team go's the fa route instead of the draft it would push quality players down to us
Well actually the more QBs that are selected 1-9 would push quality non QBs to us.
But I think a guy like Tua or Herbert slides in that 10 spot - we are Money. There are a glut of teams just behind us with potential QB needs anyone could trade up and we really don’t fall that far.
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another thing this may be a stretch but what if a qb needy team go's the fa route instead of the draft it would push quality players down to us
Well actually the more QBs that are selected 1-9 would push quality non QBs to us.
But I think a guy like Tua or Herbert slides in that 10 spot - we are Money. There are a glut of teams just behind us with potential QB needs anyone could trade up and we really don’t fall that far.
Well actually the more QBs that are selected 1-9 would push quality non QBs to us.
But I think a guy like Tua or Herbert slides in that 10 spot - we are Money. There are a glut of teams just behind us with potential QB needs anyone could trade up and we really don’t fall that far.
so both would help us out
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Well actually the more QBs that are selected 1-9 would push quality non QBs to us.
But I think a guy like Tua or Herbert slides in that 10 spot - we are Money. There are a glut of teams just behind us with potential QB needs anyone could trade up and we really don’t fall that far.
so both would help us out
so both would help us out
They could.....
probably the worst case scenario 3 QBs taken, all the OT worthy of Top 10 gone and elite defenders off the board.
I think Tua slides maybe Herbert too. In that case..our potential picks are gone but we get calls from 12-16 to go get one of those guys. These teams probably don’t want to mortgage their entire future for a bigger move up too
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so both would help us out
They could.....
probably the worst case scenario 3 QBs taken, all the OT worthy of Top 10 gone and elite defenders off the board.
I think Tua slides maybe Herbert too. In that case..our potential picks are gone but we get calls from 12-16 to go get one of those guys. These teams probably don’t want to mortgage their entire future for a bigger move up too
They could.....
probably the worst case scenario 3 QBs taken, all the OT worthy of Top 10 gone and elite defenders off the board.
I think Tua slides maybe Herbert too. In that case..our potential picks are gone but we get calls from 12-16 to go get one of those guys. These teams probably don’t want to mortgage their entire future for a bigger move up too
then woo f ing hoo draft tua
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My comments were more at implying should the Browns pursue Armstead.
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Depends on where he landed...
Washington? why would Washington sign a guy like Armstead when they have a cheaper arguably more productive option available with Chase Young.YEP.
Tiam said "the mock"...
which mock? my mock draft? as in, I didn't draft a IDL til round 5?
Washington can very well let Armstead go, because he'll command a huge salary with his next team. As in, Washington is drafting second overall, has huge money in all their defensive front line... how can that affect my mock draft? If they tag Armstead, he will not be a happy football player for them for a year. If Washington goes ahead and drafts Chase Young, which would figure nicely - they have a young star DE that will be with them for years. and they need a qb and offensive line help. They could use the cap space to help that. maybe.
Even if Washington were to draft a qb, or even an OT - it wouldn't affect my mock draft.
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Armstead is with SF... WSH would sign him as an FA and opposite Chase he'd make some sense. They could afford both for at least four years.
If WSH drafted an OT at #2 (doubtful), then it could start an OT run. More likely if they decided to go OT that they would start a biding war for Chase, trade down a few spots and grab their OT.
Not feeling QB for them... not two years in a row.
On your mock...
1. Jones... agree can trade down for him unless a run starts early... in which case it'd be a mistake to take him at #10, IMO. If either Wills or Thomas is there, you take them as unlike Jones they are "plug n play" LTs. Jones has talent, but needs work... a lot of work. The OT that'd give me fits considering at 10 is Becton... I've seen boards with him higher than Thomas.
2. Dugger... I like the kid, too... but not this high. Very talented and deep Safety class. No need to reach. This feels to me like the spot to go LB or DT hunting... maybe even interior OL.
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My comments were more at implying should the Browns pursue Armstead.
I’m all for that.
You have Chase Young and Derrick Brown as Top 10 front 4 guys. Any team targeting those two probably won’t touch Armstead.
Redskins have former first rounders Sweat, Kerrigan and Allen. Adding Young and Armstead doubtful. But I think Young is headed there for sure.
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Armstead is with SF... WSH would sign him as an FA and opposite Chase he'd make some sense. They could afford both for at least four years.
If WSH drafted an OT at #2 (doubtful), then it could start an OT run. More likely if they decided to go OT that they would start a biding war for Chase, trade down a few spots and grab their OT.
Not feeling QB for them... not two years in a row.
On your mock...
1. Jones... agree can trade down for him unless a run starts early... in which case it'd be a mistake to take him at #10, IMO. If either Wills or Thomas is there, you take them as unlike Jones they are "plug n play" LTs. Jones has talent, but needs work... a lot of work. The OT that'd give me fits considering at 10 is Becton... I've seen boards with him higher than Thomas.
2. Dugger... I like the kid, too... but not this high. Very talented and deep Safety class. No need to reach. This feels to me like the spot to go LB or DT hunting... maybe even interior OL.
Armstead is with SF... WSH would sign him as an FA and opposite Chase he'd make some sense. They could afford both for at least four years.
If WSH drafted an OT at #2 (doubtful), then it could start an OT run. More likely if they decided to go OT that they would start a biding war for Chase, trade down a few spots and grab their OT.
Not feeling QB for them... not two years in a row.
On your mock...
1. Jones... agree can trade down for him unless a run starts early... in which case it'd be a mistake to take him at #10, IMO. If either Wills or Thomas is there, you take them as unlike Jones they are "plug n play" LTs. Jones has talent, but needs work... a lot of work. The OT that'd give me fits considering at 10 is Becton... I've seen boards with him higher than Thomas.
2. Dugger... I like the kid, too... but not this high. Very talented and deep Safety class. No need to reach. This feels to me like the spot to go LB or DT hunting... maybe even interior OL.
oops, went too fast - true, my bad. I actually haven't finished my next post - where I ran across a draft profile that really criticized his "mess" of footwork. It compared the Jones situation as not ready to start at LT.
However, then I ran across this terrific article about Greg Robinson at LT - some keen insight !
In that, picking Jones even about 15 might not be the right call after all.
Then I ran across this article - which is really good.
"The 6-7, 310-pound Jones has the size and athleticism made significant strides in his footwork this season to get into the first-round conversation. "
“I just get the job done,” Jones said of his pass protection. “This year I let up four pressures… and a half a sack. I’m dominant at it. I take pride in it. If I give up a pressure, if I’m even close to (giving up) a sack, I’m kicking myself in the butt. It’s just pride. I feel like every O-lineman has that pride.”
" “Everybody can line up and play offensive line,” Jones said. “But it’s a different mindset (to be elite). It’s a battle every single play, every single time you’re to war. You have to be on your Ps and Qs every single time. You can’t slip up. You have to be dominant.” "
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So, the Jets might jump ahead of the Browns, to the Jag's spot and get Josh Jones.
that would royally suck, because I almost wanted to take back my pick, now I want to take Jones at ten - the Jets have their eyes on him at 11.
I love this kid. I really, really like his attitude. He loves the game and is working hard at it.
LOL. I'm so confused. I'll have to have a talk with Flugels about it to get my mind right. lol
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1. Jones... agree can trade down for him unless a run starts early... in which case it'd be a mistake to take him at #10, IMO. If either Wills or Thomas is there, you take them as unlike Jones they are "plug n play" LTs. Jones has talent, but needs work... a lot of work. The OT that'd give me fits considering at 10 is Becton... I've seen boards with him higher than Thomas. TOUR
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I know, I"ve seen Wirfs #1, Becton #1, Wills #1. It's uplifting to know that Jones' footwork has vastly? improved. I don't know. I've read where Thomas doesn't look good in space. And, that Wirfs' feet might be a touch slow for NFL speed rushers. And that Becton is a huge dancing teddy bear - powerful and can still really move. For LT ? I just.... don't know. lol
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2. Dugger... I like the kid, too... but not this high. Very talented and deep Safety class. No need to reach. This feels to me like the spot to go LB or DT hunting... maybe even interior OL. TOUR
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I picked Dugger, rather than later on picking another safety, because he has tweener size to act as a coverage lb like Simmons, a tall bigger safety that can cover most of these TE's that keep coming free over the middle so many times - with all sorts of defenses. Dugger is my "poor man's Simmons", which, I can't get later in the draft after round two. I don't know really, just thinkin, but I appreciate your comments - you are probably right.
A top LB/DT/..IOL would also be a better idea if you could get your safety in the third round. Thanks !
It is very complicated. lol
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Yup... if it were easy then every forum would be full of mocks...
Wait...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yup... if it were easy then every forum would be full of mocks...
Wait...
Be careful with your mocks:
And tell the pleasant Prince this mock of his
Hath turned his balls to gunstones, and his soul
Shall stand sore chargèd for the wasteful vengeance
That shall fly from them—for many a thousand widows
Shall this his mock mock out of their dear husbands,
Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
. . .Henry V
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Yup... if it were easy then every forum would be full of mocks...
Wait...
Be careful with your mocks:
And tell the pleasant Prince this mock of his
Hath turned his balls to gunstones, and his soul
Shall stand sore chargèd for the wasteful vengeance
That shall fly from them—for many a thousand widows
Shall this his mock mock out of their dear husbands,
Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
. . .Henry V
Henry V
Ah, my favorite Shaky play!
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger ........................" -
1Josh Jones, OT,Houston
The Browns will trade down a bit, and pick up a second round pick, and a fifth, where they didn't have a fifth. Josh Jones is climbing the draft so high some have him picked at 10, but I think the Browns could trade down about 5 spots and still get their LT. He really answered questions in the Senior Bowl. I keep being locked in on Simmons, but I think he is gone before the Browns pick. I will say this: I confuses me as to whether or not I'd trade, if Wills, OT, were here. Wills is apparently often figured to be the #1 OT in the draft. I'm going to assume that Wills went in the top nine picks, probably to the Giants.
2Kyle Dugger,FS/SS/OLB
No Simmons, but Dugger is a terrific player in his own right. This kid is a ***football player***. Very, very smart football IQ, and a kickass tackler. About ten lbs lighter than Simmons, I'm great with this pick.
4 Adam Trautman,TE, Dayton
So, because it made me happy, I went and traded down, and have a fifth round pick..... Trautman will be, imho, the player we all hoped Njoku would be. He's big, terrific ball catcher, soft hands, and very physical. He'll adapt into a terrific blocker and the Steelers will hate the Browns for getting him earlier than they could.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/scouts-speak--senior-bowl-prospects-on-the-rise
Scouts Speak: Senior Bowl Prospects on the Rise
Note: this article is from Jan. 28th, before I posted my mock draft. But I honestly never saw it til this morning.
Three of my picks made it into this article.
Scout No. 1:
"The Dayton kid, [Adam Trautman],” one scout said. “He's a carbon copy of [Dallas] Goedert coming out of South Dakota State but he runs looser and is just as talented as a pass catcher. Blocking needs work, but the effort and technique are easily there and improvable."
Trautman generated a ton of buzz in Mobile, Alabama, this past week. In what was initially seen as a lowly tight end class, there seems to be a lack of front line talent, but plenty of depth starting on Day 2. However, Trautman first began to impress off the field and at the microphone.
Looking back to his final collegiate campaign, his best game came against Jacksonville where he caught four touchdowns. He also became the new record holder for career catches (110) in program history. There's a wide belief his stock is trending toward being an early-to-mid-second-round selection.
Scout No. 2:
"Josh Jones,” another scout mentioned. “The left tackle from Houston. He's looked great here so far. Didn't know what he'd weigh in at because he looked a little thin on film in his lower half, but 311 is a great weight for him."
Jordan Reid@Jordan_Reid#Houston OT Josh Jones is the type of tackle that has tremendous upside because of the little subtle things that he already does.
Watch the quick allusion with his left hand to force the DE to reveal his plan of attack prematurely:The offensive tackle play was a bit scarce throughout the Senior Bowl, but one bright spot was Jones. Tabbed as the most athletic blocker coming into the event, he did everything to live up to the hype and more. Jones helped himself enter the first-round discussion. Teams are anxiously awaiting to see how well he tests at the combine in order to see just how athletic he really is.
On the field, he passed the test with flying colors as he showed light feet, strong hands and balance. Jones showed the functional strength necessary to eventually be counted upon as a blindside protector while stymying rushers consistently.
From Kolton Miller in 2018 to Andre Dillard a year ago, we see teams fall in love with athletic offensive tackles. There are even some instances where franchises will reach for them a round too early because of their upside. Pass protection is an area that's extremely hard for coaches to instill into players, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, it's easier to teach an offensive lineman how to become a consistent run blocker. Teams are now comfortable with reaching on highly talented pass protectors because of how the league has trended towards a pass-heavy approach.
Scout No. 5:
"I didn't get a chance to see him live, but [Kyle] Dugger blew me away with how well put together his body was and then to go out there and perform like that,” a scout said. “That was really, really impressive. He's like Keanu Neal-lite. That's my best comparison for him."
With small-school prospects, it's always interesting to monitor how quickly they adjust to the speed of the game — if they sink or swim. Dugger swam and kept swimming, showing that he belonged despite the increased competition. Playing him primarily on the roof of the defense during the first practice session, most of his success came on the second and third day the closer he was to the line. Dugger quickly became the talk of practice after having an impressive interception during the one-on-one portion of practice. While guarding former Vanderbilt tight end Jared Pinkney, he cut underneath his route in order to haul in the turnover.
While many are still waiting to see how he stacks up at the combine, top-50 chatter has become a realistic possibility for the Division II standout. Dugger showed off his versatility as a free and strong safety as well as a blitzing threat off of the edge and made many teams believers after seeing that his skills translated to his upper-echelon counterparts.
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I figure I did fairly well with my mock draft. Time will tell. Dugger is raw in a few areas, but I don't see him falling out of the second round. Tour could be right - he could go later....who knows.
Per the article, though, Josh Uche? Was never on my radar in my mock draft. Maybe Oche or Dugger ends up a Cleveland Brown. I hope.
I picked Josh Jones high, a lot of mocks didn't, but it seems that Jones is really getting even more serious attention - in advance of the combine. We'll see. It seems he may not be there if the Browns traded down very far.
and, I thought Trautman was way overlooked. Nope. Not even the combine yet, and now they are talking him a second round pick. If that holds true, I don't see us drafting a TE at all. But a FA seems destined, maybe, from the Vikings.
It seems a terrific list of safeties in FA - two of them from the vikings,... so maybe safety isn't going to be on the Browns' list for the top three rounds.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/nfl-free-agency-2020-safeties-to-watch-for-the-browns.html
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1Josh Jones, OT,Houston
The Browns will trade down a bit, and pick up a second round pick, and a fifth, where they didn't have a fifth. Josh Jones is climbing the draft so high some have him picked at 10, but I think the Browns could trade down about 5 spots and still get their LT. He really answered questions in the Senior Bowl. I keep being locked in on Simmons, but I think he is gone before the Browns pick. I will say this: I confuses me as to whether or not I'd trade, if Wills, OT, were here. Wills is apparently often figured to be the #1 OT in the draft. I'm going to assume that Wills went in the top nine picks, probably to the Giants.
2Kyle Dugger,FS/SS/OLB
No Simmons, but Dugger is a terrific player in his own right. This kid is a ***football player***. Very, very smart football IQ, and a kickass tackler. About ten lbs lighter than Simmons, I'm great with this pick.
4 Adam Trautman,TE, Dayton
So, because it made me happy, I went and traded down, and have a fifth round pick..... Trautman will be, imho, the player we all hoped Njoku would be. He's big, terrific ball catcher, soft hands, and very physical. He'll adapt into a terrific blocker and the Steelers will hate the Browns for getting him earlier than they could.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/scouts-speak--senior-bowl-prospects-on-the-rise
Scouts Speak: Senior Bowl Prospects on the Rise
Note: this article is from Jan. 28th, before I posted my mock draft. But I honestly never saw it til this morning.
Three of my picks made it into this article.
Scout No. 1:
"The Dayton kid, [Adam Trautman],” one scout said. “He's a carbon copy of [Dallas] Goedert coming out of South Dakota State but he runs looser and is just as talented as a pass catcher. Blocking needs work, but the effort and technique are easily there and improvable."
Trautman generated a ton of buzz in Mobile, Alabama, this past week. In what was initially seen as a lowly tight end class, there seems to be a lack of front line talent, but plenty of depth starting on Day 2. However, Trautman first began to impress off the field and at the microphone.
Looking back to his final collegiate campaign, his best game came against Jacksonville where he caught four touchdowns. He also became the new record holder for career catches (110) in program history. There's a wide belief his stock is trending toward being an early-to-mid-second-round selection.
Scout No. 2:
"Josh Jones,” another scout mentioned. “The left tackle from Houston. He's looked great here so far. Didn't know what he'd weigh in at because he looked a little thin on film in his lower half, but 311 is a great weight for him."
Jordan Reid@Jordan_Reid#Houston OT Josh Jones is the type of tackle that has tremendous upside because of the little subtle things that he already does.
Watch the quick allusion with his left hand to force the DE to reveal his plan of attack prematurely:The offensive tackle play was a bit scarce throughout the Senior Bowl, but one bright spot was Jones. Tabbed as the most athletic blocker coming into the event, he did everything to live up to the hype and more. Jones helped himself enter the first-round discussion. Teams are anxiously awaiting to see how well he tests at the combine in order to see just how athletic he really is.
On the field, he passed the test with flying colors as he showed light feet, strong hands and balance. Jones showed the functional strength necessary to eventually be counted upon as a blindside protector while stymying rushers consistently.
From Kolton Miller in 2018 to Andre Dillard a year ago, we see teams fall in love with athletic offensive tackles. There are even some instances where franchises will reach for them a round too early because of their upside. Pass protection is an area that's extremely hard for coaches to instill into players, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, it's easier to teach an offensive lineman how to become a consistent run blocker. Teams are now comfortable with reaching on highly talented pass protectors because of how the league has trended towards a pass-heavy approach.
Scout No. 5:
"I didn't get a chance to see him live, but [Kyle] Dugger blew me away with how well put together his body was and then to go out there and perform like that,” a scout said. “That was really, really impressive. He's like Keanu Neal-lite. That's my best comparison for him."
With small-school prospects, it's always interesting to monitor how quickly they adjust to the speed of the game — if they sink or swim. Dugger swam and kept swimming, showing that he belonged despite the increased competition. Playing him primarily on the roof of the defense during the first practice session, most of his success came on the second and third day the closer he was to the line. Dugger quickly became the talk of practice after having an impressive interception during the one-on-one portion of practice. While guarding former Vanderbilt tight end Jared Pinkney, he cut underneath his route in order to haul in the turnover.
While many are still waiting to see how he stacks up at the combine, top-50 chatter has become a realistic possibility for the Division II standout. Dugger showed off his versatility as a free and strong safety as well as a blitzing threat off of the edge and made many teams believers after seeing that his skills translated to his upper-echelon counterparts.
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I figure I did fairly well with my mock draft. Time will tell. Dugger is raw in a few areas, but I don't see him falling out of the second round. Tour could be right - he could go later....who knows.
Per the article, though, Josh Uche? Was never on my radar in my mock draft. Maybe Oche or Dugger ends up a Cleveland Brown. I hope.
I picked Josh Jones high, a lot of mocks didn't, but it seems that Jones is really getting even more serious attention - in advance of the combine. We'll see. It seems he may not be there if the Browns traded down very far.
and, I thought Trautman was way overlooked. Nope. Not even the combine yet, and now they are talking him a second round pick. If that holds true, I don't see us drafting a TE at all. But a FA seems destined, maybe, from the Vikings.
It seems a terrific list of safeties in FA - two of them from the vikings,... so maybe safety isn't going to be on the Browns' list for the top three rounds.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/nfl-free-agency-2020-safeties-to-watch-for-the-browns.html
I figure I did fairly well with my mock draft. Time will tell. Dugger is raw in a few areas, but I don't see him falling out of the second round. Tour could be right - he could go later....who knows
Agree... it's a good mock.
My guess is based upon the strength of the Safety class. It's a pretty good one so some good options are going to fall and at least pre-Combine, I think Dugger will. While athletically he's at least the equal of any Safety in the class, he's still raw enough that he may not be plug-n-play.
Just the opposite with the TE group... very weak class that Trautman is rising thru. If he shines at the Combine, then it would not shock me if he went in R2 and was the first TE off the board.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yup... if it were easy then every forum would be full of mocks...
Wait...
It doesn't sound any easier than playing Marco Polo in Boston...
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The TE position is the one position on the Browns that concerns me most. We'll address OT & safety. I just hope we can finally land a good, COMPLETE TE...one who blocks, runs good routes, & CATCHES the ball. Obviously, I'm not as sold on Njoku as some others are.
We'll know more in the next 2 or 3 months.
Mike
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The TE position is the one position on the Browns that concerns me most. We'll address OT & safety. I just hope we can finally land a good, COMPLETE TE...one who blocks, runs good routes, & CATCHES the ball. Obviously, I'm not as sold on Njoku as some others are.
We'll know more in the next 2 or 3 months.
Mike
The TE position is the one position on the Browns that concerns me most. We'll address OT & safety. I just hope we can finally land a good, COMPLETE TE...one who blocks, runs good routes, & CATCHES the ball. Obviously, I'm not as sold on Njoku as some others are.
We'll now more in the next 2 or 3 months.
Mike
I've been impatient with Njoku too Mike. Since we still have Seymore Abs - he was trending up in Baker's rookie year at least with the catches component. If I'm going to call out the coaches for Baker's regression - I think I need to do it with others as well. That guy needs his fanny lit with a blow torch or fire crackers, not to give anyone a creepy visual of Ghoolie starring in 50 Shades of Grey or anything...
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