Bold idea that would change the landscape of sports in Cleveland
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I think "if" most said no dome is because most people go on the cheap and don't think ahead. The city of Cleveland has already run the Browns out of town once because they were cheap.
Build the Dome. All new stadiums get a superbowl. That would pump hundreds of millions in to the local economy. It isn't about being a wimp. It about not being a dumbass.
Someone mentioned the Wolstein center....maybe we could build the Browns new stadium there. Maybe not. It would depends on the property footprint. Football stadiums need a larger footprint. You would also have to consider near by parking. If you get 30,000 to a baseball game, you might need parking for 17,000 cars or possibly less. For a football game with 65,000, you might need parking for 30,000 cars.
Totally agree we went on the cheap when First Energy was built. I probably wouldn't have any objections to a dome. But every time I bring up the question how are we going to dig up the $2 billion to pay for it? There's crickets chirping..
Sort of don't agree if you don't have a domed NFL stadium you're not cool. Just start winning and the talk about a dome will vanish into the breeze- Like in Kansas City....
EDIT & PS- You think those folks in New England are crying Gillette will never have the opportunity to host a Super Bowl? Ditto Green Bay. How about put a dome over Lambeau while we're at it? Based on the configuration, I'd bet it would be a hell of a lot easier to do than put a dome over First Energy. Just something to think about.....
Totally agree we went on the cheap when First Energy was built. I probably wouldn't have any objections to a dome. But every time I bring up the question how are we going to dig up the $2 billion to pay for it? There's crickets chirping..
No chirping here. You have to raise taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That is why I would be more in favor of not doing anything with the Jake. Maybe a few upgrades or something like that. It is still useful. We wouldn't need 2 domed stadiums, and unlike football which is enjoyable
inside" baseball in domes sucks. So if the Wolstein property can handle the stadium and parking surge, that would be where to build the new stadium.So, how to pay?
First, I would bump the county room tax a few bucks a night on hotel stays. Make a lot of out of towners help pay for the thing.
Then, gas tax is always a money maker. A few cents there.
The property on the lakefront that is going to be developed. The county could designate it a way that all development pays a special 20 year tax for the stadium fund. After all, the stadium moving is what opened things up for the developers and business operations that will be flocking there.
Get all counties who border on Cuyahoga pay something. Boost room taxes and or gasoline tax. If they don't agree, boost parking rates on all parking lots by $5 a day. The county gives all county residents a special decal for their vehicle giving them a $5 a day discount on parking in county parking lots. Neighboring counties are crazy if they don't benefit. from the Browns. I spend about half my nights up there in Medina county. Usually a night or two in Vermilion...not sure of that county...Vermilion I guess.
There is probably some enhancement super fund run by the state. Boost some state wide tax by a penny and create millions more.
Lot's of people trek across Ohio on the turnpike. Increase big rig fees by $8 across the state from Pennsylvania to Indiana. Get some Steelers and Colts fans chipping in.
Oh,, then all the events at the new facility. Put a tax on everything but football. Got to save myself a buck or two somewhere...lol
We could probably come up with a special Dayton area tax...$2 a gallon or something like that.;)
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Shucks. Since you are a true Cincinnatian, I don't get to offend you by letting you know that Cincinnati was once known as "Porkopolis" because of all the pigs that lived there, and still do LOL...actually because it was a pork producing center.
https://www.greatamericancountry.com/places/local-life/porkopolis-cincinnatis-pork-producing-past
Haha, yeah. I guess that’s Cincy’s secondary nickname. I’ve seen some funky black and white photos of pigs being herded through downtown. A family friend painted one of the flying pigs mentioned in that article.
Haha, yeah. I guess that’s Cincy’s secondary nickname. I’ve seen some funky black and white photos of pigs being herded through downtown. A family friend painted one of the flying pigs mentioned in that article.
I betcha to this day you'll still find herds of pigs in downtown Cincy, mainly on Sundays, when the Bengals play the Steelers. That's right, them "Squealer" fans.
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Totally agree we went on the cheap when First Energy was built. I probably wouldn't have any objections to a dome. But every time I bring up the question how are we going to dig up the $2 billion to pay for it? There's crickets chirping..
No chirping here. You have to raise taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That is why I would be more in favor of not doing anything with the Jake. Maybe a few upgrades or something like that. It is still useful. We wouldn't need 2 domed stadiums, and unlike football which is enjoyable
inside" baseball in domes sucks. So if the Wolstein property can handle the stadium and parking surge, that would be where to build the new stadium.So, how to pay?
First, I would bump the county room tax a few bucks a night on hotel stays. Make a lot of out of towners help pay for the thing.
Then, gas tax is always a money maker. A few cents there.
The property on the lakefront that is going to be developed. The county could designate it a way that all development pays a special 20 year tax for the stadium fund. After all, the stadium moving is what opened things up for the developers and business operations that will be flocking there.
Get all counties who border on Cuyahoga pay something. Boost room taxes and or gasoline tax. If they don't agree, boost parking rates on all parking lots by $5 a day. The county gives all county residents a special decal for their vehicle giving them a $5 a day discount on parking in county parking lots. Neighboring counties are crazy if they don't benefit. from the Browns. I spend about half my nights up there in Medina county. Usually a night or two in Vermilion...not sure of that county...Vermilion I guess.
There is probably some enhancement super fund run by the state. Boost some state wide tax by a penny and create millions more.
Lot's of people trek across Ohio on the turnpike. Increase big rig fees by $8 across the state from Pennsylvania to Indiana. Get some Steelers and Colts fans chipping in.
Oh,, then all the events at the new facility. Put a tax on everything but football. Got to save myself a buck or two somewhere...lol
We could probably come up with a special Dayton area tax...$2 a gallon or something like that.;)
No chirping here. You have to raise taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That is why I would be more in favor of not doing anything with the Jake. Maybe a few upgrades or something like that. It is still useful. We wouldn't need 2 domed stadiums, and unlike football which is enjoyable
inside" baseball in domes sucks. So if the Wolstein property can handle the stadium and parking surge, that would be where to build the new stadium.So, how to pay?
First, I would bump the county room tax a few bucks a night on hotel stays. Make a lot of out of towners help pay for the thing.
Then, gas tax is always a money maker. A few cents there.
The property on the lakefront that is going to be developed. The county could designate it a way that all development pays a special 20 year tax for the stadium fund. After all, the stadium moving is what opened things up for the developers and business operations that will be flocking there.
Get all counties who border on Cuyahoga pay something. Boost room taxes and or gasoline tax. If they don't agree, boost parking rates on all parking lots by $5 a day. The county gives all county residents a special decal for their vehicle giving them a $5 a day discount on parking in county parking lots. Neighboring counties are crazy if they don't benefit. from the Browns. I spend about half my nights up there in Medina county. Usually a night or two in Vermilion...not sure of that county...Vermilion I guess.
There is probably some enhancement super fund run by the state. Boost some state wide tax by a penny and create millions more.
Lot's of people trek across Ohio on the turnpike. Increase big rig fees by $8 across the state from Pennsylvania to Indiana. Get some Steelers and Colts fans chipping in.
On, then all the events at the new facility. Put a tax on everything but football. Got to save myself a buck or two somewhere...lol
We could probably come up with a special Dayton area tax...$2 a gallon or something like that.;)
Hmmm, San Diego said nope to more taxes, but I'll grant you Cleveland is a totally different situation. Now in regard to an NFL playing extortion with a city- get a load of this one 'Peen... Sort of gives you an idea why some areas are saying NO WAY in hell to new stadium extortion....
https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/happy-10th-birthday-most-subsidized-nfl-stadium-america
You'd have to do something on the state level, and Ohio isn't Nevada. Increase the gas tax? Dewine had to fight tooth and nail to get the state legislature (and then they only gave him 60% of what he was asking for) to fund badly need road improvements. A proposal increasing the state gas tax one measly cent to fund a new stadium in Cleveland would be DOA in Columbus.
BTW, mucking around- there's also an additional 1% restaurant food tax in the counties surrounding Marion (Indy) to help pay for Lucas Oil. Lotsa luck getting Stark, Lake, Geauga, Medina, and Lorain to sign off on something like that.....
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Haha, yeah. I guess that’s Cincy’s secondary nickname. I’ve seen some funky black and white photos of pigs being herded through downtown. A family friend painted one of the flying pigs mentioned in that article.
I betcha to this day you'll still find herds of pigs in downtown Cincy, mainly on Sundays, when the Bengals play the Steelers. That's right, them "Squealer" fans.
I betcha to this day you'll still find herds of pigs in downtown Cincy, mainly on Sundays, when the Bengals play the Steelers. That's right, them "Squealer" fans.
Cincitucky does sort of embrace the Porkopolis thing. There's the big Flying Pig Marathon every year....
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I used to hate indoor football back when it was my dad's era of being a fan. Unfortunately, since it's become a passing league - here's what's been won in the Great Lakes regions while Cleveland never makes post seasons any more:
1 SB Championship in Chicago - although 85 was way before they made rules babying/favoring passers.
2 SB Championships in GB compared to how many they won in the 60s. The 1 SB they won with Aaron Rodgers as a Wild Card team that had to win 3 road games (inclusive of beating Atlanta in a dome) before beating the Cutler-less Bears in Chicago for the NFC Championship.
0 SBs in Detroit or as Lumberg used to call it "Detroilet"
0 Superbowls in Cleveland after being the last team to win the NFL Championship in 1964 before the name of it was changed to Superbowl the next year. If I'm off by a year Gipper will let me know...
0 Superbowl Ws for Minnesota
0 Superbowl Ws in Buffalo
0 Superbowl Ws for Cincy even though they're not on a Great Lake per say
Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
I prefer old school football at all times too!
I like where you are trying to go in this thread about the Lakefront in between all the bullshit you're getting. I grew up (as debatable as that is) in Western, NY. And Buffalo is as close as it gets to the type of City Cleveland is. They had the steel mills and they have a Lakefront. Since the year 2000, they have been upgrading the lakefront to get people to want to go there. People really like going there today; because of the reasons (plural) they added to do so.
Once upon a time, going to Cleveland and partying in the flats was a blast - especially for Browns fans visiting from out of town. Since that changed, I see some untapped opportunity on the lakefront.
Back to the retractable roof idea, if we had one during the Playoff Game Brian Sipe threw an INT vrs the Raiders - it would have changed everything about the way this franchise is perceived since the Superbowls started. Don Cockroft was missing 30 yard FGs into the wind in pre-game warm-ups to get an idea of how impactful the weather conditions were on that outcome. Today's game is even more dependent on the passing game than it was when we had an NFL MVP at QB. All of the rules dictating this have opened me up to the unthinkable idea of football under a roof in December and January might be the way to go. And when you're never winning at least half your games - good luck getting new millennials and females excited about getting off the couch for below zero wind chills....
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
No chirping here. You have to raise taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That is why I would be more in favor of not doing anything with the Jake. Maybe a few upgrades or something like that. It is still useful. We wouldn't need 2 domed stadiums, and unlike football which is enjoyable
inside" baseball in domes sucks. So if the Wolstein property can handle the stadium and parking surge, that would be where to build the new stadium.So, how to pay?
First, I would bump the county room tax a few bucks a night on hotel stays. Make a lot of out of towners help pay for the thing.
Then, gas tax is always a money maker. A few cents there.
The property on the lakefront that is going to be developed. The county could designate it a way that all development pays a special 20 year tax for the stadium fund. After all, the stadium moving is what opened things up for the developers and business operations that will be flocking there.
Get all counties who border on Cuyahoga pay something. Boost room taxes and or gasoline tax. If they don't agree, boost parking rates on all parking lots by $5 a day. The county gives all county residents a special decal for their vehicle giving them a $5 a day discount on parking in county parking lots. Neighboring counties are crazy if they don't benefit. from the Browns. I spend about half my nights up there in Medina county. Usually a night or two in Vermilion...not sure of that county...Vermilion I guess.
There is probably some enhancement super fund run by the state. Boost some state wide tax by a penny and create millions more.
Lot's of people trek across Ohio on the turnpike. Increase big rig fees by $8 across the state from Pennsylvania to Indiana. Get some Steelers and Colts fans chipping in.
On, then all the events at the new facility. Put a tax on everything but football. Got to save myself a buck or two somewhere...lol
We could probably come up with a special Dayton area tax...$2 a gallon or something like that.;)
Hmmm, San Diego said nope to more taxes, but I'll grant you Cleveland is a totally different situation. Now in regard to an NFL playing extortion with a city- get a load of this one 'Peen... Sort of gives you an idea why some areas are saying NO WAY in hell to new stadium extortion....
https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/happy-10th-birthday-most-subsidized-nfl-stadium-america
You'd have to do something on the state level, and Ohio isn't Nevada. Increase the gas tax? Dewine had to fight tooth and nail to get the state legislature (and then they only gave him 60% of what he was asking for) to fund badly need road improvements. A proposal increasing the state gas tax one measly cent to fund a new stadium in Cleveland would be DOA in Columbus.
BTW, mucking around- there's also an additional 1% restaurant food tax in the counties surrounding Marion (Indy) to help pay for Lucas Oil. Lotsa luck getting Stark, Lake, Geauga, Medina, and Lorain to sign off on something like that.....
Hmmm, San Diego said nope to more taxes, but I'll grant you Cleveland is a totally different situation. Now in regard to an NFL playing extortion with a city- get a load of this one 'Peen... Sort of gives you an idea why some areas are saying NO WAY in hell to new stadium extortion....
https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/happy-10th-birthday-most-subsidized-nfl-stadium-america
You'd have to do something on the state level, and Ohio isn't Nevada. Increase the gas tax? Dewine had to fight tooth and nail to get the state legislature (and then they only gave him 60% of what he was asking for) to fund badly need road improvements. A proposal increasing the state gas tax one measly cent to fund a new stadium in Cleveland would be DOA in Columbus.
BTW, mucking around- there's also an additional 1% restaurant food tax in the counties surrounding Marion (Indy) to help pay for Lucas Oil. Lotsa luck getting Stark, Lake, Geauga, Medina, and Lorain to sign off on something like that.....
I know it a tough sell on getting neighboring counties to buy in, that is why I propose the parking tax. Lot's of those people work in Cuyahoga country.
If parking seems unfeasible, non Cuyahoga country residents working in Cuyahoga pay a higher payroll tax. That might even be better. Tax them an additional 3%. They don't vote for you. Just like I don't vote for them when they hit me with an additional $3 a night room tax.
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Interesting... Like I've said before, I prefer cold weather football outdoors.
But I also understand that the city of Cleveland is possibly missing out on a lot of events - events that for example cold weather cities like Indianapolis or Minneapolis get - because they don't have a retractable dome football stadium.
Plus, it's about time Cleveland does something with their lakefront.
I prefer old school football at all times too!
I like where you are trying to go in this thread about the Lakefront in between all the bullshit you're getting. I grew up (as debatable as that is) in Western, NY. And Buffalo is as close as it gets to the type of City Cleveland is. They had the steel mills and they have a Lakefront. Since the year 2000, they have been upgrading the lakefront to get people to want to go there. People really like going there today; because of the reasons (plural) they added to do so.
Once upon a time, going to Cleveland and partying in the flats was a blast - especially for Browns fans visiting from out of town. Since that changed, I see some untapped opportunity on the lakefront.
Back to the retractable roof idea, if we had one during the Playoff Game Brian Sipe threw an INT vrs the Raiders - it would have changed everything about the way this franchise is perceived since the Superbowls started. Don Cockroft was missing 30 yard FGs into the wind in pre-game warm-ups to get an idea of how impactful the weather conditions were on that outcome. Today's game is even more dependent on the passing game than it was when we had an NFL MVP at QB. All of the rules dictating this have opened me up to the unthinkable idea of football under a roof in December and January might be the way to go. And when you're never winning at least half your games - good luck getting new millennials and females excited about getting off the couch for below zero wind chills....
I prefer old school football at all times too!
I like where you are trying to go in this thread about the Lakefront in between all the bullshit you're getting. I grew up (as debatable as that is) in Western, NY. And Buffalo is as close as it gets to the type of City Cleveland is. They had the steel mills and they have a Lakefront. Since the year 2000, they have been upgrading the lakefront to get people to want to go there. People really like going there today; because of the reasons (plural) they added to do so.
Once upon a time, going to Cleveland and partying in the flats was a blast - especially for Browns fans visiting from out of town. Since that changed, I see some untapped opportunity on the lakefront.
Back to the retractable roof idea, if we had one during the Playoff Game Brian Sipe threw an INT vrs the Raiders - it would have changed everything about the way this franchise is perceived since the Superbowls started. Don Cockroft was missing 30 yard FGs into the wind in pre-game warm-ups to get an idea of how impactful the weather conditions were on that outcome. Today's game is even more dependent on the passing game than it was when we had an NFL MVP at QB. All of the rules dictating this have opened me up to the unthinkable idea of football under a roof in December and January might be the way to go. And when you're never winning at least half your games - good luck getting new millennials and females excited about getting off the couch for below zero wind chills....
You know Flug….old time football, was over in early December. Championships before Christmas.
I keep seeing people say that. My stock answer is if Football was meant to be played in cold crappy weather, why are all the college bowl games played in places like Pasadena, Miami, Tampa, Mobile, Dallas, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Tempe?
The answer is nobody would have gone if they were played in places like Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, Green Bay, Fargo.
The Fargo Bowl obviously never took off. The Sugar Bowl in New Orleans beat them out by a large margin.
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There are only 10 NFL stadiums with either a fixed or retractable dome.
Only 3 of those are in northern cities. Figure that one out.
We don't need no stinkin roof.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Cleveland is the second most poorest major city in the US, and the idea is higher taxes??
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It's totally stupid....I mean stupid to have a facility that hosts 10 games a year and maybe a few soccer events and 3-4 concerts a year.
Like I said, cheap non-forward thinkers rule. You are the same cheap bastards that ran our team out of town 25 years ago. You will probably do it again. Good for you.
Dumb. Just keep going to Wal-mart, Get the cheap ass dress shirt than never fits right, itches, and looks as cheap as a $10 whore, but hey, it only cost $14.
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Cleveland is the second most poorest major city in the US, and the idea is higher taxes??
You would have been better to say the second poorest city, but hey, you prove my point.
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You would have been better to say the second poorest city, but hey, you prove my point.
LOL..Well yes and no.
No it would not have been better for me to say that because Cleveland is not the second poorest city in the US, it is the second poorest MAJOR city in the US. There are many cities poorer than Cleveland, but hey, I got your point about the unintended double comparative.
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Cleveland is the second most poorest major city in the US, and the idea is higher taxes??
And at the end of the day that’s just a small part of the equation.
do city leaders see this as a need? Some will go on Political soapboxes denying the need for it and gaining votes for re-election on the issue (happened in San Diego)
will ownership pay the costs or some of the costs and what are there expectations? If the Haslems Or Dolans expect the city of Cleveland to cover 100% of the costs- its a much harder sell.
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It's totally stupid....I mean stupid to have a facility that hosts 10 games a year and maybe a few soccer events and 3-4 concerts a year.
Like I said, cheap non-forward thinkers rule. You are the same cheap bastards that ran our team out of town 25 years ago. You will probably do it again. Good for you.
Dumb. Just keep going to Wal-mart, Get the cheap ass dress shirt than never fits right, itches, and looks as cheap as a $10 whore, but hey, it only cost $14.
It's totally stupid....I mean stupid to have a facility that hosts 10 games a year and maybe a few soccer events and 3-4 concerts a year.
Like I said, cheap non-forward thinkers rule. You are the same cheap bastards that ran our team out of town 25 years ago. You will probably do it again. Good for you.
Dumb. Just keep going to Wal-mart, Get the cheap ass dress shirt than never fits right, itches, and looks as cheap as a $10 whore, but hey, it only cost $14.
The rumblings that the Haslam's want an upgrade seem to be there. They are flush with Pilot J Warren Buffet money, and if a new Browns stadium is built, I can't see them going with another open-air stadium, since the one they have now is 21 years old. It would have to be off the lakefront, since they would play at First Energy while the other stadium is built. Opening up more of the lakefront, while getting a domed stadium that would attract events to Cleveland seems like a win-win to me. I'm guessing if Gilbert is talking about this publicly - hypothetically or not - that he and the Haslams may have had some kind of discussions. (Not saying anything concrete, just that the idea has been floated with some of the cities big hitters)
Who knows if any of this will come to fruition, but it makes for interesting offseason fodder, doesn't it? Well, for most people, anyways.
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Cleveland is the second most poorest major city in the US, and the idea is higher taxes??
And at the end of the day that’s just a small part of the equation.
do city leaders see this as a need? Some will go on Political soapboxes denying the need for it and gaining votes for re-election on the issue (happened in San Diego)
will ownership pay the costs or some of the costs and what are there expectations? If the Haslems Or Dolans expect the city of Cleveland to cover 100% of the costs- its a much harder sell.
And at the end of the day that’s just a small part of the equation.
do city leaders see this as a need? Some will go on Political soapboxes denying the need for it and gaining votes for re-election on the issue (happened in San Diego)
will ownership pay the costs or some of the costs and what are there expectations? If the Haslems Or Dolans expect the city of Cleveland to cover 100% of the costs- its a much harder sell.
Your second part would be HUGE regarding the viability of this idea.
I said it before, I don't think Cleveland ever builds another Indians ballpark. I think that franchise's next ballpark will be in another city.
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And at the end of the day that’s just a small part of the equation.
do city leaders see this as a need? Some will go on Political soapboxes denying the need for it and gaining votes for re-election on the issue (happened in San Diego)
will ownership pay the costs or some of the costs and what are there expectations? If the Haslems Or Dolans expect the city of Cleveland to cover 100% of the costs- its a much harder sell.
Your second part would be HUGE regarding the viability of this idea.
I said it before, I don't think Cleveland ever builds another Indians ballpark. I think that franchise's next ballpark will be in another city.
Your second part would be HUGE regarding the viability of this idea.
I said it before, I don't think Cleveland ever builds another Indians ballpark. I think that franchise's next ballpark will be in another city.
You must have watched Major League even more times than I have.
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I'll add my two cents about First Energy here.
First about putting a dome on it. Can't and won't happen. Structurally wasn't built for one. Putting a bubble over it has already been suggested. Retrofitting it with the requisite HVAC would be a nightmare. If you want a dome, more efficient to start from scratch, and the going rate seems to be around $2 billion to go that route.
As to there being "nothing wrong" with it, I'll disagree. My Bucket List is to see the Browns play in every NFL venue, and I'm about 1\2 way there. When the stadium was built, the goal was to replicate the "feel" of the old place as closely as possible. Bad idea. The concourse behind the stands is woefully cramped (sardine city) compared to almost all of the other stadiums. Paul Brown in Cincinnati has at least triple if not four times the space. I was really hoping when Jimmy poured millions into the stadium renovation, he'd address the shortcomings, but it didn't happen. BTW, when planning for the stadium originally came out, the fan opinion was overwhelming "no dome".
FWIW, by my count, there's 15 teams with the potential of a cold weather game, and three domes. Tells me all I need to know. Apparently there's a lot of wimps afraid of getting their toes cold.
I think "if" most said no dome is because most people go on the cheap and don't think ahead. The city of Cleveland has already run the Browns out of town once because they were cheap.
Build the Dome. All new stadiums get a superbowl. That would pump hundreds of millions in to the local economy. It isn't about being a wimp. It about not being a dumbass.
Someone mentioned the Wolstein center....maybe we could build the Browns new stadium there. Maybe not. It would depends on the property footprint. Football stadiums need a larger footprint. You would also have to consider near by parking. If you get 30,000 to a baseball game, you might need parking for 17,000 cars or possibly less. For a football game with 65,000, you might need parking for 30,000 cars.
I think "if" most said no dome is because most people go on the cheap and don't think ahead. The city of Cleveland has already run the Browns out of town once because they were cheap.
Build the Dome. All new stadiums get a superbowl. That would pump hundreds of millions in to the local economy. It isn't about being a wimp. It about not being a dumbass.
Someone mentioned the Wolstein center....maybe we could build the Browns new stadium there. Maybe not. It would depends on the property footprint. Football stadiums need a larger footprint. You would also have to consider near by parking. If you get 30,000 to a baseball game, you might need parking for 17,000 cars or possibly less. For a football game with 65,000, you might need parking for 30,000 cars.
The Wolstein Center belongs to CSU. You are not touching it unless you get CSU to give up their arena, and why should they do that? They don't need a bigger arena. They don't draw that much.
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I think "if" most said no dome is because most people go on the cheap and don't think ahead. The city of Cleveland has already run the Browns out of town once because they were cheap.
Build the Dome. All new stadiums get a superbowl. That would pump hundreds of millions in to the local economy. It isn't about being a wimp. It about not being a dumbass.
Someone mentioned the Wolstein center....maybe we could build the Browns new stadium there. Maybe not. It would depends on the property footprint. Football stadiums need a larger footprint. You would also have to consider near by parking. If you get 30,000 to a baseball game, you might need parking for 17,000 cars or possibly less. For a football game with 65,000, you might need parking for 30,000 cars.
The Wolstein Center belongs to CSU. You are not touching it unless you get CSU to give up their arena, and why should they do that? They don't need a bigger arena. They don't draw that much.
The Wolstein Center belongs to CSU. You are not touching it unless you get CSU to give up their arena, and why should they do that? They don't need a bigger arena. They don't draw that much.
That's why, it is too big. No reason for CSU to have an arena that sits 13,000 or so people. Apparently there are rumors (?) that CSU would like to rid themselves of that arena.
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