Bold idea that would change the landscape of sports in Cleveland
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Don't know why one would be in winter/spring and one is summer. Aren't they basically the same thing. Guys on bikes racing over heaps of dirt.
No.
Supercross is held in football stadiums with 100% man made tracks. The tracks are much shorter with more laps making up a race. Lap times are around 2 minutes per lap. The tracks have way more jumps and "rhythm/flow", as well as slower overall top end speeds due to the shorter straight a-ways. All seats in the stadium are great ones.
Motocross is held on outdoor tracks that are 70% natural terrain and 30% man made jumps and whoops (whoops = huge section of 4' tall bumps, like moguls in snow skiing). The track is much, much longer with lap times around 6 minutes per lap. The tracks have much longer and rougher straight a-ways that result in much higher top end speeds than what you'll see tonight. Fans are sprawled out all over a 200-300 acre facility.
Supercross is much more fan friendly and is considered a spectacle of the greatest riders on the planet.
Motocross is the gritty Godfather of the sport and generally preferred to Supercross by us guys that have actually done it.... although I love both.
Yes, it's the same guys on the same bikes doing both disciplines, but much like in NASCAR, it's the difference between a 2.5 mile super speedway like Daytona, and a 15 turn road course like Sonoma..... Same drivers, same cars, yet completely and totally different.
Hope this helps, and hope you give it a fair shot in a couple hours!
No.
Supercross is held in football stadiums with 100% man made tracks. The tracks are much shorter with more laps making up a race. Lap times are around 2 minutes per lap. The tracks have way more jumps and "rhythm/flow", as well as slower overall top end speeds due to the shorter straight a-ways. All seats in the stadium are great ones.
Motocross is held on outdoor tracks that are 70% natural terrain and 30% man made jumps and whoops (whoops = huge section of 4' tall bumps, like moguls in snow skiing). The track is much, much longer with lap times around 6 minutes per lap. The tracks have much longer and rougher straight a-ways that result in much higher top end speeds than what you'll see tonight. Fans are sprawled out all over a 200-300 acre facility.
Supercross is much more fan friendly and is considered a spectacle of the greatest riders on the planet.
Motocross is the gritty Godfather of the sport and generally preferred to Supercross by us guys that have actually done it.... although I love both.
Yes, it's the same guys on the same bikes doing both disciplines, but much like in NASCAR, it's the difference between a 2.5 mile super speedway like Daytona, and a 15 turn road course like Sonoma..... Same drivers, same cars, yet completely and totally different.
Hope this helps, and hope you give it a fair shot in a couple hours!
OK, thanks, but no thanks. I won't give it a fair shot, because it is motorized racing, which I have no interest in , of any type really. When they have space racing from here to the Moon and back, I may pay attention. I don't begrudge you your interest..it is just not mine. I just prefer the human powered/gravity/animal powered racing better.
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Don't be sarcastic. You still didn't answer my question.
FWIW, Chicago's population is 2.7 million . Cleveland's is 385,000- and you think we can somehow compete with skyscraper city Downtown Chicago? Sorry, Severance Hall and University Circle aren't on the Lakefront- but the Rock & Roll HOF is, ditto the Great Lakes Science center. You probably know if you've been to downtown Cleveland lately- all the partying (except on Browns gameday- that's over on the west side around West 9th and the lots) is up at East 4th around Gateway. I don't see any practical way of eliminating the shipping docks, Coast Guard Station, the Marinas and Burke. The Coast Guard is a necessity, and the others are all revenue producers. Sorry it's not culturally up to your standards.
Regarding Dayton- do a little research before you speak about "vibrant". I could come on up to Canal Fulton to take a canal boat ride. Been through there on the bike path.
With a city population of 140,000 Downtown Dayton is booming on a relative level. There's been over a 1\2 billion of development downtown with more coming, and condos are getting sold as fast as developers can build them. https://www.daytondailynews.com/business/economy/see-where-millions-have-been-spent-improve-downtown-dayton/hGhhqD6U2v0w5AoSg0icdL/
Jesus hoorta, did Gipper steal your password and post under your name all day? ? You started by rambling about some imaginary beef I supposedly was having with Tour (still scratching my head on that one), then we'll move on to....
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee (funny how you never mention the other city in my original post), instead of misusing so much of it like it has for pretty much Cleveland's entire history. There's a reason why people have mentioned how poorly Cleveland utilizes its greatest natural benefit, and that for all intents and purposes Cleveland might as well be located in the middle of Kansas due to how little it does with its lakefront.
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Jesus hoorta, did Gipper steal your password and post under your name all day? ? You started by rambling about some imaginary beef I supposedly was having with Tour (still scratching my head on that one), then we'll move on to....
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee (funny how you never mention the other city in my original post), instead of misusing so much of it like it has for pretty much Cleveland's entire history. There's a reason why people have mentioned how poorly Cleveland utilizes its greatest natural benefit, and that for all intents and purposes Cleveland might as well be located in the middle of Kansas due to how little it does with its lakefront.
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Again, so much of Cleveland's use of its "lakefront" are the activities that happen on the waterfront in the Flats. None of the other major lakefront cities really have that. Toronto/Detroit (which really has no lakefront...it is riverfront), Milwaukee. Maybe Chicago a bit with the Chicago river.
But also notice, that there is a huge marina just eas of Burke, which you see a bit of in the above photo, and there is a huge one at the mouth of the River, on Whiskey Island.
You also have the attractions on the lake: RRHOF, Science Center, Stadium, USS Cod, William Mather, there is an International Women's Air and Space Museum there. You also have Edgewater park. There are quite a number of new condo developments in the Flats. Wendy Park also on Whiskey Island. Settler's Landing plus Rivergate park. The Nautica Stage, etc. etc. And you know, it IS a working major port as well.
Again, what kind of development on the Lakeshore/Riverfront, do you want that is not already there?
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One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
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Jesus hoorta, did Gipper steal your password and post under your name all day? ? You started by rambling about some imaginary beef I supposedly was having with Tour (still scratching my head on that one), then we'll move on to....
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee (funny how you never mention the other city in my original post), instead of misusing so much of it like it has for pretty much Cleveland's entire history. There's a reason why people have mentioned how poorly Cleveland utilizes its greatest natural benefit, and that for all intents and purposes Cleveland might as well be located in the middle of Kansas due to how little it does with its lakefront.
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Again, so much of Cleveland's use of its "lakefront" are the activities that happen on the waterfront in the Flats. None of the other major lakefront cities really have that. Toronto/Detroit (which really has no lakefront...it is riverfront), Milwaukee. Maybe Chicago a bit with the Chicago river.
But also notice, that there is a huge marina just eas of Burke, which you see a bit of in the above photo, and there is a huge one at the mouth of the River, on Whiskey Island.
You also have the attractions on the lake: RRHOF, Science Center, Stadium, USS Cod, William Mather, there is an International Women's Air and Space Museum there. You also have Edgewater park. There are quite a number of new condo developments in the Flats. Wendy Park also on Whiskey Island. Settler's Landing plus Rivergate park. The Nautica Stage, etc. etc. And you know, it IS a working major port as well.
Again, what kind of development on the Lakeshore/Riverfront, do you want that is not already there?
Again, so much of Cleveland's use of its "lakefront" are the activities that happen on the waterfront in the Flats. None of the other major lakefront cities really have that. Toronto/Detroit (which really has no lakefront...it is riverfront), Milwaukee. Maybe Chicago a bit with the Chicago river.
But also notice, that there is a huge marina just eas of Burke, which you see a bit of in the above photo, and there is a huge one at the mouth of the River, on Whiskey Island.
You also have the attractions on the lake: RRHOF, Science Center, Stadium, USS Cod, William Mather, there is an International Women's Air and Space Museum there. You also have Edgewater park. There are quite a number of new condo developments in the Flats. Wendy Park also on Whiskey Island. Settler's Landing plus Rivergate park. The Nautica Stage, etc. etc. And you know, it IS a working major port as well.
Again, what kind of development on the Lakeshore/Riverfront, do you want that is not already there?
Don't know Gipper. Based on that aireal view, maybe we should turn Burke into another Euclid Beach. Ferris wheels and roller coasters. Gosh, the whining from a guy who doesn't even live in the city.
Regarding the "working port" Dutch pretty much missed the economic significance of that. I should have given up arguing with him when I pointed out if he thinks First Energy is a waste of valuable lakefront property, well maybe he needs to tell Chicago to tear down Soldier Field- when you could probably throw a rock from the east side of that stadium into Lake Michigan.
I can't comment on the potential wonderfulness of Milwalkee's lakefront, because I've only been through the town once- 40 years ago. But if they want NFL football, it's head north to Green Bay, or south to Chicago.
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One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
Already taken. But I'm anticipating you're gonna come back with "Bridge City" different is from "City of Bridges" laced with a little profanity.
We can't even beat Pittspuke in bridges.
Affectionately known as the city of bridges, Pittsburgh boasts 446 bridges – more than any other city in the world, including Venice, Italy.
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One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
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Don't be sarcastic. You still didn't answer my question.
FWIW, Chicago's population is 2.7 million . Cleveland's is 385,000- and you think we can somehow compete with skyscraper city Downtown Chicago? Sorry, Severance Hall and University Circle aren't on the Lakefront- but the Rock & Roll HOF is, ditto the Great Lakes Science center. You probably know if you've been to downtown Cleveland lately- all the partying (except on Browns gameday- that's over on the west side around West 9th and the lots) is up at East 4th around Gateway. I don't see any practical way of eliminating the shipping docks, Coast Guard Station, the Marinas and Burke. The Coast Guard is a necessity, and the others are all revenue producers. Sorry it's not culturally up to your standards.
Regarding Dayton- do a little research before you speak about "vibrant". I could come on up to Canal Fulton to take a canal boat ride. Been through there on the bike path.
With a city population of 140,000 Downtown Dayton is booming on a relative level. There's been over a 1\2 billion of development downtown with more coming, and condos are getting sold as fast as developers can build them. https://www.daytondailynews.com/business/economy/see-where-millions-have-been-spent-improve-downtown-dayton/hGhhqD6U2v0w5AoSg0icdL/
Jesus hoorta, did Gipper steal your password and post under your name all day? ? You started by rambling about some imaginary beef I supposedly was having with Tour (still scratching my head on that one), then we'll move on to....
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee (funny how you never mention the other city in my original post), instead of misusing so much of it like it has for pretty much Cleveland's entire history. There's a reason why people have mentioned how poorly Cleveland utilizes its greatest natural benefit, and that for all intents and purposes Cleveland might as well be located in the middle of Kansas due to how little it does with its lakefront.
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee
Your ability to communicate your thoughts is poor.
Here is what Dutch was trying to say folks:
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEin such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities. -
One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
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Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee
Your ability to communicate your thoughts is poor.
Here is what Dutch was trying to say folks:
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEin such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEis such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Those are some solid communication skills you have there Gorka...
"I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront is such a way..."
Or you could have said "IN such a way..." ?
Thanks for trying, though.
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Again, so much of Cleveland's use of its "lakefront" are the activities that happen on the waterfront in the Flats. None of the other major lakefront cities really have that. Toronto/Detroit (which really has no lakefront...it is riverfront), Milwaukee. Maybe Chicago a bit with the Chicago river.
But also notice, that there is a huge marina just eas of Burke, which you see a bit of in the above photo, and there is a huge one at the mouth of the River, on Whiskey Island.
You also have the attractions on the lake: RRHOF, Science Center, Stadium, USS Cod, William Mather, there is an International Women's Air and Space Museum there. You also have Edgewater park. There are quite a number of new condo developments in the Flats. Wendy Park also on Whiskey Island. Settler's Landing plus Rivergate park. The Nautica Stage, etc. etc. And you know, it IS a working major port as well.
Again, what kind of development on the Lakeshore/Riverfront, do you want that is not already there?
Don't know Gipper. Based on that aireal view, maybe we should turn Burke into another Euclid Beach. Ferris wheels and roller coasters. Gosh, the whining from a guy who doesn't even live in the city.
Regarding the "working port" Dutch pretty much missed the economic significance of that. I should have given up arguing with him when I pointed out if he thinks First Energy is a waste of valuable lakefront property, well maybe he needs to tell Chicago to tear down Soldier Field- when you could probably throw a rock from the east side of that stadium into Lake Michigan.
I can't comment on the potential wonderfulness of Milwalkee's lakefront, because I've only been through the town once- 40 years ago. But if they want NFL football, it's head north to Green Bay, or south to Chicago.
Don't know Gipper. Based on that aireal view, maybe we should turn Burke into another Euclid Beach. Ferris wheels and roller coasters. Gosh, the whining from a guy who doesn't even live in the city.
Yeah, wanting Cleveland to have a better lakefront, something people have "whined" about for generations, is just crazy.
But the amount of passive aggressiveness you've displayed on this thread is impressive, hoorta. Hats off to you about that!
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Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEis such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Those are some solid communication skills you have there Gorka...
"I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront is such a way..."
Or you could have said "IN such a way..." ?
Thanks for trying, though.
Those are some solid communication skills you have there Gorka...
"I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront is such a way..."
Or you could have said "IN such a way..." ?
Thanks for trying, though.
And this is the thanks I get.
First of all I caught and edited that before you hit the "Submit Reply".
Secondly, it was a typo, and your inability to grasp a statement over one letter is a reflection on you.
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Those are some solid communication skills you have there Gorka...
"I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront is such a way..."
Or you could have said "IN such a way..." ?
Thanks for trying, though.
And this is the thanks I get.
First of all I caught and edited that before you hit the "Submit Reply".
Secondly, it was a typo, and your inability to grasp a statement over one letter is a reflection on you.
And this is the thanks I get.
First of all I caught and edited that before you hit the "Submit Reply".
Secondly, it was a typo, and your inability to grasp a statement over one letter is a reflection on you.
You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating to try to get back at people only to have it blow up in your face. But good on you about the bridges and Pittsburgh. Gipper will be reeling when he reads that, I bet. ?
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And this is the thanks I get.
First of all I caught and edited that before you hit the "Submit Reply".
Secondly, it was a typo, and your inability to grasp a statement over one letter is a reflection on you.
You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating to try to get back at people only to have it blow up in your face. But good on you about the bridges and Pittsburgh. Gipper will be reeling when he reads that, I bet. ?
You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating.
Haha, you're the one frustrated my projecting little friend. You know you are!
Whats next up your sleeve? Let me guess..calling me a racist? LOL
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You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating.
Haha, you're the one frustrated my projecting little friend. You know you are!
Whats next up your sleeve? Let me guess..calling me a racist? LOL
Haha, you're the one frustrated my projecting little friend. You know you are!
Whats next up your sleeve? Let me guess..calling me a racist? LOL
Ooh. now he's trying so hard to bait me into a fight! ?
You're the one who came onto this thread, only to obviously try to settle scores with those you feel bruised your ego on another thread.
So yeah, I feel confident that lil' Gorka is flailing...
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And this is the thanks I get.
First of all I caught and edited that before you hit the "Submit Reply".
Secondly, it was a typo, and your inability to grasp a statement over one letter is a reflection on you.
You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating to try to get back at people only to have it blow up in your face. But good on you about the bridges and Pittsburgh. Gipper will be reeling when he reads that, I bet. ?
You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating to try to get back at people only to have it blow up in your face. But good on you about the bridges and Pittsburgh. Gipper will be reeling when he reads that, I bet. ?
That's a good possibility. I wouldn't be surprised at a few F bombs to come my way.
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You tried so hard.
Must be frustrating to try to get back at people only to have it blow up in your face. But good on you about the bridges and Pittsburgh. Gipper will be reeling when he reads that, I bet. ?
That's a good possibility. I wouldn't be surprised at a few F bombs to come my way.
That's a good possibility. I wouldn't be surprised at a few F bombs to come my way.
And since you are a troll, that's what you are just dying for, isn't it?
BE STRONG GIPPER! FIGHT THE URGE! ?
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Haha, you're the one frustrated my projecting little friend. You know you are!
Whats next up your sleeve? Let me guess..calling me a racist? LOL
Ooh. now he's trying so hard to bait me into a fight! ?
You're the one who came onto this thread, only to obviously try to settle scores with those you feel bruised your ego on another thread.
So yeah, I feel confident that lil' Gorka is flailing...
Ooh. now he's trying so hard to bait me into a fight! ?
You're already in a fight.
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Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
I do. I also appreciated your comment about Pittsburg being the “City of Bridges” as well. I always knew it as the “Steel City”, and a quick google search confirms that but it also confirms it has an alternate nickname too. Interesting stuff.
I fairly recently learned there was a city in Maine nicknamed the “Queen City.” That of course is Cincy’s nickname too. Bangor, Maine.
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