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  • @the-gipper said:

    The stat that I am using above would say you are wrong.

    KJ  had a .31  game to game production score.

    Couch had a .48  score.  The fact is,  Couch was "decent"  until injured. Just put into terrible circumstances...but still was the primary QB in the Browns only playoff season since 1994. 

    Daylon McCutcheon had a .32 score.     Now THERE may be your underrated player.  He played in 103 games for the Browns in 7 years.  12 Ints.   2 returned for TDs.  431 tackles made in those years 

    Hey brother, you may be right, but I'm just going on the eye test of what I remember. KJ is obviously not a Hall of Famer, but he was one of the few picks that draft that was decent.

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    @icecube said:

    Hey brother, you may be right, but I'm just going on the eye test of what I remember. KJ is obviously not a Hall of Famer, but he was one of the few picks that draft that was decent.

    Actually...if you think about it.....we probably got more "decent" picks out of that draft with Couch, KJ, McCutcheon,  than we did in the next several drafts....with the likes of Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren. 

  • @browns149 said:

    I don’t think Couch was the problem 

    The fact he was surrounded by crap was the problem 

    He definitely was in a bad position. I felt bad for him. But honestly, he would have to landed on a perfect team to do well. (Like most QBs I guess). 

    Jeff Garcia didn't do anything in Cleveland either, but he was underrated for his career. 

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    @icecube said:

    He definitely was in a bad position. I felt bad for him. But honestly, he would have to landed on a perfect team to do well. (Like most QBs I guess). 

    Jeff Garcia didn't do anything in Cleveland either, but he was underrated for his career. 

    Jeff Garcia also married a Playmate of the Year from NE Ohio. 

    So, I guess if you are an underrated (or overrated) Browns QB....you get to marry a Playmate. 

  • @nickers said:

    Steve "Eric" Heiden..

    I thought he was a pretty good TE.. Caught and blocked pretty well for a journeyman TE

    I agree Nickers.  I thought he provided solid dual purpose that didn't tip tendencies. Had underrated hands and could help set the edge a lot better than Winslow (after multiple knee surgeries).  I wouldn't mind finding a guy like this for us today. 

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    @flugel said:

    I agree Nickers.  I thought he provided solid dual purpose that didn't tip tendencies. Had underrated hands and could help set the edge a lot better than Winslow (after multiple knee surgeries).  I wouldn't mind finding a guy like this for us today. 

    He's pretty much what you look for prototypically in a TE.. Size, Good hands, Decent wheels and blocks... I would take that any ol day...

  • @browns149 said:

    I don’t think Couch was the problem 

    The fact he was surrounded by crap was the problem 

    He definitely was in a bad position. I felt bad for him. But honestly, he would have to landed on a perfect team to do well. (Like most QBs I guess). 

    Jeff Garcia didn't do anything in Cleveland either, but he was underrated for his career. 

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by mjp28
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    @icecube said:

    He definitely was in a bad position. I felt bad for him. But honestly, he would have to landed on a perfect team to do well. (Like most QBs I guess). 

    Jeff Garcia didn't do anything in Cleveland either, but he was underrated for his career. 

    Well he did one thing he met a girl from Westlake, Ohio Carmella DeCesare who was half Italian half Puerto Rican and the playmate of the year in 2004, They had a bunch of kids and did pretty well together.  She's still a babe !

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  • @icecube said:

    He definitely was in a bad position. I felt bad for him. But honestly, he would have to landed on a perfect team to do well. (Like most QBs I guess). 

    Jeff Garcia didn't do anything in Cleveland either, but he was underrated for his career. 

    Well he did one thing he met a girl from Westlake, Ohio Carmella DeCesare who was half Italian half Puerto Rican and the playmate of the year in 2004, They had a bunch of kids and did pretty well together.  She's still a babe !

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    @mjp28 said:

    Well he did one thing he met a girl from Westlake, Ohio Carmella DeCesare who was half Italian half Puerto Rican and the playmate of the year in 2004, They had a bunch of kids and did pretty well together.  She's still a babe !

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    mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmm

  • @atom said:

    Greg Pruitt the king of the tear away jersey

    LOVED that guy!   He's my avatar.  I don't know if he was underrated (4 Pro Bowls for Browns & 1 for Raiders) or just forgotten by non-Cleveland fans due to all the injuries that cut seasons/overall career short. Those that saw him don't forget him.  Very fun to watch. Until Nick Chubb (also drafted in the upper part of round 2 like Pruitt) - I haven't seen a lot of RBs here that could score from anywhere on the field. 

    I think his strength and power at 190 lbs was underrated as you alluded to above.  He is always mentioned as the reason those jerseys no longer exist.  Pruitt held the Superstars record for the overhead press with 325 pounds until a very roided up Mark Gastineau at 275 lbs eventually broke it a few years later.

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    @flugel said:

    LOVED that guy!   He's my avatar.  I don't know if he was underrated (4 Pro Bowls for Browns & 1 for Raiders) or just forgotten by non-Cleveland fans due to all the injuries that cut seasons/overall career short. Those that saw him don't forget him.  Very fun to watch. Until Nick Chubb (also drafted in the upper part of round 2 like Pruitt) - I haven't seen a lot of RBs here that could score from anywhere on the field. 

    I think his strength and power at 190 lbs was underrated as you alluded to above.  He is always mentioned as the reason those jerseys no longer exist.  Pruitt held the Superstars record for the overhead press with 325 pounds until a very roided up Mark Gastineau at 275 lbs eventually broke it a few years later.

    As I recall in college at OU his jersey read Hello on the front, goodbye on the back. 

  • @flugel said:

    LOVED that guy!   He's my avatar.  I don't know if he was underrated (4 Pro Bowls for Browns & 1 for Raiders) or just forgotten by non-Cleveland fans due to all the injuries that cut seasons/overall career short. Those that saw him don't forget him.  Very fun to watch. Until Nick Chubb (also drafted in the upper part of round 2 like Pruitt) - I haven't seen a lot of RBs here that could score from anywhere on the field. 

    I think his strength and power at 190 lbs was underrated as you alluded to above.  He is always mentioned as the reason those jerseys no longer exist.  Pruitt held the Superstars record for the overhead press with 325 pounds until a very roided up Mark Gastineau at 275 lbs eventually broke it a few years later.

    As I recall in college at OU his jersey read Hello on the front, goodbye on the back. 

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    @alporcini said:

    As I recall in college at OU his jersey read Hello on the front, goodbye on the back. 

    Makes perfect sense to me!  Thanks for sharing that Al! 

  • @alporcini said:

    As I recall in college at OU his jersey read Hello on the front, goodbye on the back. 

    Makes perfect sense to me!  Thanks for sharing that Al! 

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    @flugel said:

    Makes perfect sense to me!  Thanks for sharing that Al! 

    the last player to wear the great #34 was carlos hyde and now no one uses it 

    which player do you see as worthy to wear #34

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    One from the Defensive side that crossed my mind from my Marty-ball archives...

    Felix Wright

    Couple years of S/T and situational sub'ing before becoming a 4-year starter for us... spending 2 at FS and 2 at SS. In his first season as SS he picked 9 passes. All totaled as a Brown he picked 26 regular season passes... good for 11th all-time... and had another 4 picks in the post-season.

  • @icecube said:

    Hey brother, you may be right, but I'm just going on the eye test of what I remember. KJ is obviously not a Hall of Famer, but he was one of the few picks that draft that was decent.

    Actually...if you think about it.....we probably got more "decent" picks out of that draft with Couch, KJ, McCutcheon,  than we did in the next several drafts....with the likes of Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren. 

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    @the-gipper said:

    Actually...if you think about it.....we probably got more "decent" picks out of that draft with Couch, KJ, McCutcheon,  than we did in the next several drafts....with the likes of Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren. 

    Almost EVERY draft since 1999 has been terrible, almost. 

    The last 3 may have reached an "average" status.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/draft.htm