Coronavirus and the NFL
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wait ? what ?
are you saying were all gonna die ?
oh the humanity
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
No, our bodies figure out how to fight them most of the time, this thing looks like it will kill 1-2% who get it. But antibiotics won't do a thing.
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As of typing this, in South Korea where they have been testing the highest and for the longest, the official numbers are:
South Korea: Total Infected: 8,799 Died: 104 Death Rate: 0.0118 ( https://ncov2019.live/data )
In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Death Rate: 0.0594
It's not 19 I'm worried about..... it's the total hysteria and the actions of our "trusted leaders" causing the eventual Greatest Depression Ever that will devastate life as we know it.
Football? lol
South Korea: Total Infected: 8,799 Died: 104 Death Rate: 0.0118 ( https://ncov2019.live/data )
So you're good with a 1+% death rate?
Also the Death Rate stat is skewed by using total cases as the denominator. Of the 8799 only 2293 have recovered. While none of the remaining 6500+ are classified as "Serious", eliminating the possibility of some dying is premature.
Yes, S. Korea has done a lot of testing, but they also reacted faster and have bent the curve, where we are still seeing our case curve growing more vertical... with beaches still open for Spring break.
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hep c meds are pretty much a cure....i think the best anti viral cures up to 96 to 98 percent...pretty close to an all out cure...
Well, yes regarding hepatitis c, forgot about that one. But IIRC you had better have great drug coverage if you want treatment.
Estimated costs for a standard 12-week treatment with sosobuvir was $84,000
But LOL, that's not the crisis virus of the moment. When I researched it, the estimate is 2,000,000+ people in the USA are infected with hep c, and golly gee- if untreated a bunch of those folks die.
When I researched it, the estimate is 2,000,000+ people in the USA are infected with hep c, and golly gee- if untreated a bunch of those folks die.
How many of those are walking around not knowing they have it?
And last I read it's not transmittable thru a sneeze... although apparently sharing a toothbrush can do it.
Fortunately I only do that during unprotected sex with my wife... and only my wife.
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South Korea: Total Infected: 8,799 Died: 104 Death Rate: 0.0118 ( https://ncov2019.live/data )
So you're good with a 1+% death rate?
Also the Death Rate stat is skewed by using total cases as the denominator. Of the 8799 only 2293 have recovered. While none of the remaining 6500+ are classified as "Serious", eliminating the possibility of some dying is premature.
Yes, S. Korea has done a lot of testing, but they also reacted faster and have bent the curve, where we are still seeing our case curve growing more vertical... with beaches still open for Spring break.
So you're good with a 1+% death rate?
Also the Death Rate stat is skewed by using total cases as the denominator. Of the 8799 only 2293 have recovered. While none of the remaining 6500+ are classified as "Serious", eliminating the possibility of some dying is premature.
Yes, S. Korea has done a lot of testing, but they also reacted faster and have bent the curve, where we are still seeing our case curve growing more vertical... with beaches still open for Spring break.
I don't know if I'm good with it Tour, but it's sure looking like 1% or so is going to be the number. Higher in the elderly and those with underlying health problems.
Couple deaths in a nursing home 50 miles north of Dayton.
But in general, you're not going to see a lot of geriatrics on the beach. It's a legit question how long folks are going to be willing to put up with these restrictions before they give the epidemiologist crowd a big F-YOU, we're getting on with our lives Corona virus be damned. Already happening on spring break?
There's going to be deaths regardless of how draconian the measures taken are.
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Well for Nero and London, the former president of Real Madrid died at age 76 in a Madrid hospital from coronavirus infection. Underlying diabetes was a factor.
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So you're good with a 1+% death rate?
Also the Death Rate stat is skewed by using total cases as the denominator. Of the 8799 only 2293 have recovered. While none of the remaining 6500+ are classified as "Serious", eliminating the possibility of some dying is premature.
Yes, S. Korea has done a lot of testing, but they also reacted faster and have bent the curve, where we are still seeing our case curve growing more vertical... with beaches still open for Spring break.
I don't know if I'm good with it Tour, but it's sure looking like 1% or so is going to be the number. Higher in the elderly and those with underlying health problems.
Couple deaths in a nursing home 50 miles north of Dayton.
But in general, you're not going to see a lot of geriatrics on the beach. It's a legit question how long folks are going to be willing to put up with these restrictions before they give the epidemiologist crowd a big F-YOU, we're getting on with our lives Corona virus be damned. Already happening on spring break?
There's going to be deaths regardless of how draconian the measures taken are.
There's going to be deaths regardless of how draconian the measures taken are.
Sure... but the sooner the more draconian measures are taken the fewer the deaths and the sooner the return to normal...
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Well for Nero and London, the former president of Real Madrid died at age 76 in a Madrid hospital from coronavirus infection. Underlying diabetes was a factor.
Underlying diabetes
Well.... then the USA is screwed...
I never fail to forget just how stressful even managed diabetes is on the body...
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Underlying diabetes
Well.... then the USA is screwed...
I never fail to forget just how stressful even managed diabetes is on the body...
Well.... then the USA is screwed...
I never fail to forget just how stressful even managed diabetes is on the body...
We have a diabetic friend who also just completed radiation for breast cancer. She is severely compromised and at age 70 pretty scared about this virus. I can't blame her one little bit.
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Sure... but the sooner the more draconian measures are taken the fewer the deaths and the sooner the return to normal...
Hypothetical Tour- you don't know that, and neither do I. That's what the Power of God, suspend civil liberties (voting, freedom of assembly) epidemiologists would like you to believe. Constitution isn't worth the paper it was written on. Die now, or die later is the way I see it. LOL, OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal. I don't necessarily recommend that tactic though. It's all based on a potential shortage of respirators to save people who probably would be dead anyway in a year or two, and already have a crappy quality of life. Sorry to be so damn cynical, or you going to deny that's the reality of the situation? Yeah, I'm saying that with the knowledge if my 90 year old Mom is a victim, we're not even going to be able to hold her funeral. F-you Dewine.
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Underlying diabetes
Well.... then the USA is screwed...
I never fail to forget just how stressful even managed diabetes is on the body...
Well.... then the USA is screwed...
I never fail to forget just how stressful even managed diabetes is on the body...
We just had a service for one of my former co workers (age 69) who passed away a couple weeks ago from complications due to diabetes. Clogged arteries....
We have a diabetic friend who also just completed radiation for breast cancer. She is severely compromised and at age 70 pretty scared about this virus. I can't blame her one little bit.
And we have one of our wine group ladies that's on chemo for non-smoking lung cancer. She's not leaving the house except for treatment.
The thing that's pretty shocking to me is the hospital my wife works at is cutting hours- because no one is going to the hospital... Go figure that one....
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Sure... but the sooner the more draconian measures are taken the fewer the deaths and the sooner the return to normal...
Hypothetical Tour- you don't know that, and neither do I. That's what the Power of God, suspend civil liberties (voting, freedom of assembly) epidemiologists would like you to believe. Constitution isn't worth the paper it was written on. Die now, or die later is the way I see it. LOL, OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal. I don't necessarily recommend that tactic though. It's all based on a potential shortage of respirators to save people who probably would be dead anyway in a year or two, and already have a crappy quality of life. Sorry to be so damn cynical, or you going to deny that's the reality of the situation? Yeah, I'm saying that with the knowledge if my 90 year old Mom is a victim, we're not even going to be able to hold her funeral. F-you Dewine.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Ummmm... later, please...
Of course. later is always better given the option- it's a question of how much later.
When all is said and done, we'll tote up how much each life we've "theoretically" saved was worth vis- a- vis tanking the economy to the tune of a trillion dollars- and counting..... Don't know about you, but I see a replay of 1929 on the very near horizon.
Pretty hard to tell people not to panic, when the government clearly is....
"As governments in the U.S. and around the globe impose more restrictions to stop the spread of COVID-19, an emergency health expert says locking down societies alone isn't enough.
“What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them,” said Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Program.
“If we don’t put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up,” Ryan said in an interview Sunday on the BBC’s “Andrew Marr Show.”
'nuff said.
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Sure... but the sooner the more draconian measures are taken the fewer the deaths and the sooner the return to normal...
Hypothetical Tour- you don't know that, and neither do I. That's what the Power of God, suspend civil liberties (voting, freedom of assembly) epidemiologists would like you to believe. Constitution isn't worth the paper it was written on. Die now, or die later is the way I see it. LOL, OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal. I don't necessarily recommend that tactic though. It's all based on a potential shortage of respirators to save people who probably would be dead anyway in a year or two, and already have a crappy quality of life. Sorry to be so damn cynical, or you going to deny that's the reality of the situation? Yeah, I'm saying that with the knowledge if my 90 year old Mom is a victim, we're not even going to be able to hold her funeral. F-you Dewine.
OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal.
Nope. Fastest way is what St Louis did during the 1919 flu pandemic -- decrease the amount hitting the medical system at once so that the max number of people can get treatment and live. 1919 was substantially worse than this because it had a W-hump -- it killed children, old people, and early 30's. St Louis shut down early and sustained the shutdown longer than every other US city.. and consequently had the lowest death rate and it wasn't close.
As well, there will be waves of this because there is no vaccine.
To date, there is no trial with accurate measurements that is showing anything more than what might happen by chance. The 2 HCQ trials don't measure the viral loads during the treatments -- seriously, the science isn't actually being done. This is one of the potential problems if you just believe all marketing headlines are truth...
And cut the nonsense racist stuff that is said -- MERS was middle east, swine flu was Mexico, mad cow was UK.. and the 1919 flu pandemic was Kansas. [It's called the Spanish flu because spain's reporters were first to report on it] Each and every person who thinks or says publically that China should "apologize" for this should have thrown right back in their face "So when will you, as a representative of the US, apologize to the world for the 1919 pandemic which had 3 worldwide waves and lasted more than 2 years?" Didn't think so.
As well, coronavirus was not made in a lab - it's nature.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
just a shame there the lovely USA is behind the 8 ball on testing.
About a week ago I didn't have a fever but all the other symptoms. Called my doctor who asked me 1) had I traveled internationally, 2)did I know anyone infected. Answer to both was no, so they said simply they don't test people without yes to those questions. Down where I live (south florida) they set up a mobile testing area. Great right? until it came out they have capability to test approximately 60 people a day, got overwhelmed and closed two days later. As of this morning my situation is still what qualifies people for a test. People are straight up lying to get tested.
Fortunately my work was very good about switching to remote work, and I had ability even with a baby to self-isolate. Think of the millions of people who can't do that though. Tough to see people like Kevin Durant get tested when he had zero symptoms too. I get it, rich people gonna rich people but still.
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Did anyone watch this sunday's 60 minutes ? Good information on where we are at with testing, work on vaccine, economic impact etc. If you're interested.... might have to try different streaming sites to get in like YouTube, etc......
https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes
S52 E25 Stopping the Virus, The Economic Emergency, A Populist Movement
Scientists rush to develop a novel coronavirus vaccine; Then, Fed official uncertain how economy will fare during the coronavirus crisis; And, why Hungary is paying its citizens to start familiesGO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Ummmm... later, please...
Of course. later is always better given the option- it's a question of how much later.
When all is said and done, we'll tote up how much each life we've "theoretically" saved was worth vis- a- vis tanking the economy to the tune of a trillion dollars- and counting..... Don't know about you, but I see a replay of 1929 on the very near horizon.
Pretty hard to tell people not to panic, when the government clearly is....
"As governments in the U.S. and around the globe impose more restrictions to stop the spread of COVID-19, an emergency health expert says locking down societies alone isn't enough.
“What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them,” said Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Program.
“If we don’t put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up,” Ryan said in an interview Sunday on the BBC’s “Andrew Marr Show.”
'nuff said.
Of course. later is always better given the option- it's a question of how much later.
When all is said and done, we'll tote up how much each life we've "theoretically" saved was worth vis- a- vis tanking the economy to the tune of a trillion dollars- and counting..... Don't know about you, but I see a replay of 1929 on the very near horizon.
Pretty hard to tell people not to panic, when the government clearly is....
My "later" wishes are fairly modest... see my youngest Grandchild graduate HS. She's turning 6 in August. So about 12 more years. Should get me thru the other two's college graduations and maybe let me see a great grandkid or two. If the Browns see the SB.... well... that's just gravy.
When my Grandpa Tour was in his mid-90's I asked him if he was going to live to be 100... "I hope not," was his answer. He passed when he was 99.
'29? Not feeling that, but could be. We are going to see 20+% unemployment for at least a brief period, but I do expect a snap back. As my other Grandpa used to say, "The 30's were a pretty good time, if you had a job." He worked for AT&T.
Panic.... letting that one be for now.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal.
Nope. Fastest way is what St Louis did during the 1919 flu pandemic -- decrease the amount hitting the medical system at once so that the max number of people can get treatment and live. 1919 was substantially worse than this because it had a W-hump -- it killed children, old people, and early 30's. St Louis shut down early and sustained the shutdown longer than every other US city.. and consequently had the lowest death rate and it wasn't close.
As well, there will be waves of this because there is no vaccine.
To date, there is no trial with accurate measurements that is showing anything more than what might happen by chance. The 2 HCQ trials don't measure the viral loads during the treatments -- seriously, the science isn't actually being done. This is one of the potential problems if you just believe all marketing headlines are truth...
And cut the nonsense racist stuff that is said -- MERS was middle east, swine flu was Mexico, mad cow was UK.. and the 1919 flu pandemic was Kansas. [It's called the Spanish flu because spain's reporters were first to report on it] Each and every person who thinks or says publically that China should "apologize" for this should have thrown right back in their face "So when will you, as a representative of the US, apologize to the world for the 1919 pandemic which had 3 worldwide waves and lasted more than 2 years?" Didn't think so.
As well, coronavirus was not made in a lab - it's nature.
To date, there is no trial with accurate measurements that is showing anything more than what might happen by chance. The 2 HCQ trials don't measure the viral loads during the treatments -- seriously, the science isn't actually being done. This is one of the potential problems if you just believe all marketing headlines are truth...
SCIENCE!
Fauci keeps trying to tell "folk", but...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
OTOH get everybody infected, cull the herd ASAP is the fastest way to return to normal.
Nope. Fastest way is what St Louis did during the 1919 flu pandemic -- decrease the amount hitting the medical system at once so that the max number of people can get treatment and live. 1919 was substantially worse than this because it had a W-hump -- it killed children, old people, and early 30's. St Louis shut down early and sustained the shutdown longer than every other US city.. and consequently had the lowest death rate and it wasn't close.
As well, there will be waves of this because there is no vaccine.
To date, there is no trial with accurate measurements that is showing anything more than what might happen by chance. The 2 HCQ trials don't measure the viral loads during the treatments -- seriously, the science isn't actually being done. This is one of the potential problems if you just believe all marketing headlines are truth...
And cut the nonsense racist stuff that is said -- MERS was middle east, swine flu was Mexico, mad cow was UK.. and the 1919 flu pandemic was Kansas. [It's called the Spanish flu because spain's reporters were first to report on it] Each and every person who thinks or says publically that China should "apologize" for this should have thrown right back in their face "So when will you, as a representative of the US, apologize to the world for the 1919 pandemic which had 3 worldwide waves and lasted more than 2 years?" Didn't think so.
As well, coronavirus was not made in a lab - it's nature.
1)) Nope. Fastest way is what St Louis did during the 1919 flu pandemic -- decrease the amount hitting the medical system at once so that the max number of people can get treatment and live. 1919 was substantially worse than this because it had a W-hump -- it killed children, old people, and early 30's. St Louis shut down early and sustained the shutdown longer than every other US city.. and consequently had the lowest death rate and it wasn't close.
As well, there will be waves of this because there is no vaccine.
To date, there is no trial with accurate measurements that is showing anything more than what might happen by chance. The 2 HCQ trials don't measure the viral loads during the treatments -- seriously, the science isn't actually being done. This is one of the potential problems if you just believe all marketing headlines are truth...
2) As well, coronavirus was not made in a lab - it's nature.
1) OK, I'll even buy the premise that what we're doing will decrease the number of deaths. (which I'm not 100% positive of) I certainly don't want to see a repeat of Italy here. But at what social cost otherwise? One Harvard epidemiologist said 18 months of lock down to prevent subsequent waves. Let that sink in for a minute what that would mean. Some business are already teetering on the brink- hotels and new startups. Uncounted more that couldn't withstand a sustained shutdown will go belly up . When they fail, it puts their employees out of work and the whole thing will snowball into a 1929 style depression. If you don't think that's a very real possibility, I'd suggest you reconsider. Uncle Sam cranks up the printing presses to hand out money, well, a nice inflation spiral could kick in, and wipe out everyone's IRAs. Let's just look at what an 18 month shutdown would do to the sporting world. 2020 MLB- gone. and I'll assume those guys are going to rake in their mega salaries if there's fans in the stands or not. Summer Olympics- adios. 2020 College Football, NFL, NHL, NBA seasons- sayanora. Pretty scary stuff.
2) That link should be posted to the Political Forum, because there's still a few conspiracy theorists over there who think this is a deliberate Chinese germ bomb. I'm pretty amazed at the amount of research that's been accomplished about this virus in so short a time. Sure explains why the damn thing is so contagious- It's got a very efficient mechanism of spreading itself. The virus may have gotten smarter, but we have too. I know enough molecular biology to see where this is heading if we've figured out what the virus' hook proteins are. LOL, OK it is sort of Rocket Science. Find something that will inhibit those proteins from attaching to a host cell.
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