BQ workin it with the rooks.
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Lol i think its more a matter of BQs work ethic being more sound than DAs and BQs desire to express to the coaches ,players and fans that he wants to be the teams leader and will do whatever it takes to get this team up and winning...
Two of DAs biggest problems are he is kinda laid back and hard headed...either he doesnt see the big picture of BQ gaining extra favor with mangini by being a workaholic or DA thinks he has the start in a bag or just doesnt care either way being he already recieved his big payday......hehehehe
My guess is if BQ doesnt get the start his agent will almost immediately demand a trade to where if BQ gets the start DA sits on the bench overpaid without as much as a whimper awaiting his chance to try and steal back the job...
or it could be that he has a home in CLE, his family is about an hour away, and 12 Mil hangs in the balance...
he won't be going anywhere until 70% of the starts are gone whether he's the initial starter or not. as EJ would say mark it down.
or it could be that he has a home in CLE, his family is about an hour away, and 12 Mil hangs in the balance...
he won't be going anywhere until 70% of the starts are gone whether he's the initial starter or not. as EJ would say mark it down.
My guess is this is the closest post to the truth.
He's pretty much only got this one chance to get that starting job with the Browns. He came out of Notre Dame "the most NFL ready QB in years" and hasn't made much of a mark except with some fans.. Puttin' in some overtime to not lose his legendary status.
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or it could be that he has a home in CLE, his family is about an hour away, and 12 Mil hangs in the balance...
he won't be going anywhere until 70% of the starts are gone whether he's the initial starter or not. as EJ would say mark it down.
My guess is this is the closest post to the truth.
He's pretty much only got this one chance to get that starting job with the Browns. He came out of Notre Dame "the most NFL ready QB in years" and hasn't made much of a mark except with some fans.. Puttin' in some overtime to not lose his legendary status.
He came out of Notre Dame "the most NFL ready QB in years" and hasn't made much of a mark except with some fans.. Puttin' in some overtime to not lose his legendary status.
To be fair, the same staff he did "not make much of a mark" with couldn't:
blitz the QB,
stop teams from running the ball,
didn't know the Cin game in '07 clinched a spot,
couldn't line up for a 2 min offense,
couldn't challenge a call,
couldn't get Jerome the ball more,
had to swtich to Quinn mid-season,
couldn't get the ball into Joshua's hands more,
had problems with a prima donna TE and WR,
..........and couldn't beat the Steelers - ever!
I don't think I'd put a whole lot of weight into what Quinn showed or did not show to the previous regime.
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@jadbf said:
And conversly about DA? What does his summer schedule say about him? That he feels he already deserves the money he gets and the starting job?so tell me...which guy do you respect more then>
You know, just 'cause DA's not playing "high profile" during the summer doesn't mean he's definitely sitting on his ass. Last summer I saw the same crap being posted, and when he came back his teammates were commenting on his abs, there were observations that he seemed quicker, and 'til the concussion there were many saying he obviously had worked on his short game and looked to be the best QB on the team.
We don't know if he's sitting back or not at this point.
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@jadbf said:
But he's not there working on the offense with his teamates.Granted I don't think it means much to either one either way. As Zombo said, it's who ever executes the offense and throws better in the preseason that will determine this.
But if you want to make comments about what Brady being in Berea means. with snide remarks about his "legendary status". Then anyone else is free to make comments about what DA being MIA means.
missing in action?!? ridiculous posts JADBF.
don't make this about DA like so many of you always love to do.
to me BQ's voluntary attendance reflects a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has. don't paint him a hero (or make others the inverse) because everyone else isn't doing the same.
the vets don't need to report for another week, don't crucify them for having a life for a couple weeks outside of a 9+ month NFL season.
besides, Derek doesn't surrender 12 MIL if he doesn't start 70% of the games...BQ does.
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@inspecta said:
Exactly...We know where DA has been this summer, he's been on the golf course, and of course teammates are going to say the right things last summer, he was already crowned the starter by the brass, so nobody is going to knock DA in the press last year.
Face it, Quinn is 100% more hard working that DA's lazy goofy ass.
If I had the type of year DA had last year concussion or not I'd keep my ass in Berea making sure it doesn't happen again.
Once again, last year there were posters on this board, maybe the same ones, making a big deal of DA supposedly spending his summer at the golf course and at home. Well, golf must be one heck of a preparer for the NFL game because he came back more prepared than most expected. I'm not saying Quinn is not a hard worker, but I am saying those who say DA's sitting on his "lazy goofy ass" might not know what they're talking about.
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@jadbf said:
ROFL who's the ones over reacting? I merely asked a question about what DA not being around means and you guys coming running out of the woodwork to defend DA>and then you make REDICULOUS assumptions that try to paint Quinn as bad and desperate like "desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has.".
How do you knwo that's the case? Maybe he wants to be here to help the other guys understand the offense and develop a raport with his teamates?
Heck while we are all speculating, maybe it's just that BQ would much rather be in a lockerroom full of guys than at home where the women keep calling him????
My only point in my post was to say that trying to take ANY reference to what any of this means is freaking MORONIC. And I clearly stated in my post that I don't think it means anything about either guys chances at success.
and yet you have to jump all over me.
Says a lot doesn't it?
uh...no? what's it say?
who did that? when?
"a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has" implied "bad" and "desperate" to you? i thought it to be pretty fair and even.
you seem touchy re: BQ. how could putting in extra work not help your chances of success? why even do it then?
woodwork? i would say that about anyone, not just DA. you tried to make Quinn showing up for extra work a nock on others, plain and simple.
moronic? i disagree. i think comprehending that if he doesn't get 70% of the snaps as starter he loses the 12 MIL is completely fundamental.
but you can make him the hero, i'm sure he can coach the guys through Daboll and Mangini's playbook better than they can at this point. hell, it's been a couple of months now. or he just likes the company. right.
someone living so close to the facility with so much riding on his success personally should be expected to be doing what he's doing. anything else would look like he doesn't care. still, his situation has no bearing on what others should be doing.
your posts have become littered with red lines. take notice, i've seen you do better.
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@inspecta said:
I think that at this point DA has pretty much given up, he knows his limitations and he knows that Quinn is the superior QB. At this point he's just collecting his paycheck...couldn't agree more. i think DA knows that his explosive year was just a flash in the pan and has already accepted the inevitable.......BQ will be the man under center for the browns for the next decade.
Nafreleets said:
couldn't agree more. i think DA knows that his explosive year was just a flash in the pan and has already accepted the inevitable.......BQ will be the man under center for the browns for the next decade.Sorry, as much as I think DA is never going to improve, I can't buy that the guy has packed it up and is simply collecting a paycheck. If, hypothetically, he starts and has a great year, he will get a very large payday one way or another next offseason.
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@jadbf said:
ROFL who's the ones over reacting? I merely asked a question about what DA not being around means and you guys coming running out of the woodwork to defend DA>and then you make REDICULOUS assumptions that try to paint Quinn as bad and desperate like "desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has.".
How do you knwo that's the case? Maybe he wants to be here to help the other guys understand the offense and develop a raport with his teamates?
Heck while we are all speculating, maybe it's just that BQ would much rather be in a lockerroom full of guys than at home where the women keep calling him????
My only point in my post was to say that trying to take ANY reference to what any of this means is freaking MORONIC. And I clearly stated in my post that I don't think it means anything about either guys chances at success.
and yet you have to jump all over me.
Says a lot doesn't it?
uh...no? what's it say?
who did that? when?
"a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has" implied "bad" and "desperate" to you? i thought it to be pretty fair and even.
you seem touchy re: BQ. how could putting in extra work not help your chances of success? why even do it then?
woodwork? i would say that about anyone, not just DA. you tried to make Quinn showing up for extra work a nock on others, plain and simple.
moronic? i disagree. i think comprehending that if he doesn't get 70% of the snaps as starter he loses the 12 MIL is completely fundamental.
but you can make him the hero, i'm sure he can coach the guys through Daboll and Mangini's playbook better than they can at this point. hell, it's been a couple of months now. or he just likes the company. right.
someone living so close to the facility with so much riding on his success personally should be expected to be doing what he's doing. anything else would look like he doesn't care. still, his situation has no bearing on what others should be doing.
your posts have become littered with red lines. take notice, i've seen you do better.
someone living so close to the facility with so much riding on his success personally should be expected to be doing what he's doing. anything else would look like he doesn't care. still, his situation has no bearing on what others should be doing.
I got news for you. Anderson has a lot riding on this as well if he wants to be a winner. If he really wanted to be the leader of this team his ass would be at camp, not at some restaurant in downtown Portland.
Leave it to a DA poser to write that the only reason Quinn is there is for the bonus. The only reason he studies, lifts, works out, and doesn't take time off is because he wants the bonus? Has nothing to do with the fact that he is a hard worker and hungry to make the team a winner, right?
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@inspecta said:
Exactly...We know where DA has been this summer, he's been on the golf course, and of course teammates are going to say the right things last summer, he was already crowned the starter by the brass, so nobody is going to knock DA in the press last year.
Face it, Quinn is 100% more hard working that DA's lazy goofy ass.
If I had the type of year DA had last year concussion or not I'd keep my ass in Berea making sure it doesn't happen again.
Once again, last year there were posters on this board, maybe the same ones, making a big deal of DA supposedly spending his summer at the golf course and at home. Well, golf must be one heck of a preparer for the NFL game because he came back more prepared than most expected. I'm not saying Quinn is not a hard worker, but I am saying those who say DA's sitting on his "lazy goofy ass" might not know what they're talking about.
Once again, last year there were posters on this board, maybe the same ones, making a big deal of DA supposedly spending his summer at the golf course and at home. Well, golf must be one heck of a preparer for the NFL game because he came back more prepared than most expected. I'm not saying Quinn is not a hard worker, but I am saying those who say DA's sitting on his "lazy goofy ass" might not know what they're talking about.
LOL....yeah maybe, but his numbers don't lie do they??? That was a better prepared DA? LOL. Wow, that sure lowers my expectations.
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@jadbf said:
And conversly about DA? What does his summer schedule say about him? That he feels he already deserves the money he gets and the starting job?so tell me...which guy do you respect more then>
You know, just 'cause DA's not playing "high profile" during the summer doesn't mean he's definitely sitting on his ass. Last summer I saw the same crap being posted, and when he came back his teammates were commenting on his abs, there were observations that he seemed quicker, and 'til the concussion there were many saying he obviously had worked on his short game and looked to be the best QB on the team.
We don't know if he's sitting back or not at this point.
You know, just 'cause DA's not playing "high profile" during the summer doesn't mean he's definitely sitting on his ass. Last summer I saw the same crap being posted, and when he came back his teammates were commenting on his abs, there were observations that he seemed quicker, and 'til the concussion there were many saying he obviously had worked on his short game and looked to be the best QB on the team.
We don't know if he's sitting back or not at this point.
So your saying his teammates are DA fags admiring his ABS & working on his short game means he was jacking off a lot?????
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Sisky, you're being as big a jackass as those you are trying to correct.
The balanced view here should give Quinn proper credit for being there. Period. Its a bigger statement than not being there. Should much be read into it? Probably not.
But to try and spin it that Quinn is there because of inadequacies is stupid. He's there to compete and win the job. Its what you want any player to do.
Put it another way, if Shawn Rogers was there would you be saying its because he's trying to justify his contract or because he feels inadequate?
Weak Sisky, really weak.
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Perhaps this is a benefit of Quinn being an Ohio native. Close enough to workout and still see family and friends. On the other hand, being this close, he has no excuse not to if he really wants the gig.
Man, starting to get the itch to order SuperFan. Mmmmmmm.
Perhaps this is a benefit of Quinn being an Ohio native. Close enough to workout and still see family and friends. On the other hand, being this close, he has no excuse not to if he really wants the gig.
Man, starting to get the itch to order SuperFan. Mmmmmmm.
Quinn and Braylon live about 5 minutes apart from each other up in Avon Lake, about 30-40 minutes away from Berea. Not sure where DA lives in the offseason, Oregon? Big Z lives in that same city as Quinn and Braylon as well.
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When I worked with Tampa Bay in the offseason and preseason program in 97 and 98 - many active participants went home about 7-10 days before training camp started as did alot of the coaches. That's prolly all that happened with Barton.
Nah, he hasn't been in Cleveland any time in the last month or so. According to his twitter feed, he's been in Dallas and California.
Aloysius said:
Nah, he hasn't been in Cleveland any time in the last month or so. According to his twitter feed, he's been in Dallas and California.Well that's completely different. Alo, you're amazing the way you keep on top of all this stuff.
- Tom F.
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@jadbf said:
But he's not there working on the offense with his teamates.Granted I don't think it means much to either one either way. As Zombo said, it's who ever executes the offense and throws better in the preseason that will determine this.
But if you want to make comments about what Brady being in Berea means. with snide remarks about his "legendary status". Then anyone else is free to make comments about what DA being MIA means.
missing in action?!? ridiculous posts JADBF.
don't make this about DA like so many of you always love to do.
to me BQ's voluntary attendance reflects a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has. don't paint him a hero (or make others the inverse) because everyone else isn't doing the same.
the vets don't need to report for another week, don't crucify them for having a life for a couple weeks outside of a 9+ month NFL season.
besides, Derek doesn't surrender 12 MIL if he doesn't start 70% of the games...BQ does.
missing in action?!? ridiculous posts JADBF.
don't make this about DA like so many of you always love to do.
to me BQ's voluntary attendance reflects a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has. don't paint him a hero (or make others the inverse) because everyone else isn't doing the same.
the vets don't need to report for another week, don't crucify them for having a life for a couple weeks outside of a 9+ month NFL season.
besides, Derek doesn't surrender 12 MIL if he doesn't start 70% of the games...BQ does.
Sisky, you know I think your a good guy, but I have to be real...
Dont you think Derek has some inadequacies he needs to work on?
Plus, this is a competition and you have to rise at least to the level of your opponent if not higher, if I were DA, for every hour of work BQ put in, I'd do 2, I'd do anything to get better and to look better to the coaches
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@jadbf said:
ROFL who's the ones over reacting? I merely asked a question about what DA not being around means and you guys coming running out of the woodwork to defend DA>and then you make REDICULOUS assumptions that try to paint Quinn as bad and desperate like "desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has.".
How do you knwo that's the case? Maybe he wants to be here to help the other guys understand the offense and develop a raport with his teamates?
Heck while we are all speculating, maybe it's just that BQ would much rather be in a lockerroom full of guys than at home where the women keep calling him????
My only point in my post was to say that trying to take ANY reference to what any of this means is freaking MORONIC. And I clearly stated in my post that I don't think it means anything about either guys chances at success.
and yet you have to jump all over me.
Says a lot doesn't it?
uh...no? what's it say?
who did that? when?
"a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has" implied "bad" and "desperate" to you? i thought it to be pretty fair and even.
you seem touchy re: BQ. how could putting in extra work not help your chances of success? why even do it then?
woodwork? i would say that about anyone, not just DA. you tried to make Quinn showing up for extra work a nock on others, plain and simple.
moronic? i disagree. i think comprehending that if he doesn't get 70% of the snaps as starter he loses the 12 MIL is completely fundamental.
but you can make him the hero, i'm sure he can coach the guys through Daboll and Mangini's playbook better than they can at this point. hell, it's been a couple of months now. or he just likes the company. right.
someone living so close to the facility with so much riding on his success personally should be expected to be doing what he's doing. anything else would look like he doesn't care. still, his situation has no bearing on what others should be doing.
your posts have become littered with red lines. take notice, i've seen you do better.
uh...no? what's it say?
who did that? when?
"a desire to work on inadequacies he apparently feels he has" implied "bad" and "desperate" to you? i thought it to be pretty fair and even.
you seem touchy re: BQ. how could putting in extra work not help your chances of success? why even do it then?
woodwork? i would say that about anyone, not just DA. you tried to make Quinn showing up for extra work a nock on others, plain and simple.
moronic? i disagree. i think comprehending that if he doesn't get 70% of the snaps as starter he loses the 12 MIL is completely fundamental.
but you can make him the hero, i'm sure he can coach the guys through Daboll and Mangini's playbook better than they can at this point. hell, it's been a couple of months now. or he just likes the company. right.
someone living so close to the facility with so much riding on his success personally should be expected to be doing what he's doing. anything else would look like he doesn't care. still, his situation has no bearing on what others should be doing.
your posts have become littered with red lines. take notice, i've seen you do better.
funny, you just pointed out one of the reasons I dislike DA, it doesnt look like he cares, because he is not doing what Quinn is doing, thus he doesn't care as much
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@jadbf said:
And don't give me some candyass explanation about the TERRIBLY DIFFICULT RIGORS of the 9+ month NFL season. These guys are gettting paid MILLIONS of dollars to play a game for 9 months of the year. And hey, if you do it well, Sure take the other months off, have a nice time, golf, vacation, be with the family. But if you SUCKED EGGS and still want to take that time off, well then you'll have to put up with morons like me being disapointed in your lack of dedication to MY CLEVELAND BROWNS.I couldn't agree more. I understand the players want to spend time with their families but with camp getting close I'd put that on hold and take some pride as a pro athlete and get into camp to start working right away. The sooner I could get into camp and start working with my teammates I would do it. I would want to start and get the taste of a extremely disappointing season out of my mouth. Wasn't it Braylon who jokingly said the season 14 months long in a leap year? It'd be nice if they all REALLY felt that way.
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So now that Favre has jerked around the Vikings, does anyone think the trade rumors with the Browns will heat up again?
2009 prediction: 8-8, with a much more respectible looking team, and hopefully 3-3 in the division with at least 1 win over each team. -
So now that Favre has jerked around the Vikings, does anyone think the trade rumors with the Browns will heat up again?
So now that Favre has jerked around the Vikings, does anyone think the trade rumors with the Browns will heat up again?
It's definitely a possibility. Why not? Does anyone really thingk that they believe they can be a contenter with Sage or Tavaris at the helm? I would hope nobody could believe that! Especially now, after they have tried all they could do to bring in an ancient (in football years) QB who is coming off one of his worst seasons in his career and who was a major reason (if not THE reason) for the Jets' collapse and the susequent firing of Mangini last year. Those 2 QB's know for fact that the Vikings have no faith in them! They are doomed in Minnesota. And the Vikings are left without a true leader under center. Coincidentally, DA is probably done here in Cleveland. Our offense is geared (alledgedly) away from his game. But Minnesota's offense would fit him much better. They had a mild interest in him before. Now their choices are slim and none. DA could become their next QB. It is very possible. But, who knows?!
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You never know is right. You could see Quinn dealt as easy as DA is dealt. It's all what the vikings are willing to give up.
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So now that Favre has jerked around the Vikings, does anyone think the trade rumors with the Browns will heat up again?
So now that Favre has jerked around the Vikings, does anyone think the trade rumors with the Browns will heat up again?
If you're the Vikings, who do you know more about - Sage Rosenfels or Brady Quinn? I doubt DA would work well in that offensive style.
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