Andy Dalton Released
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Well, sorry, everyone else on planet earth would.
So, OK....he is not starting caliber (you spelled it calibre...are you British?)......he is Championship, Super Bowl MVP caliber.
You are playing loose with words there Gipper. Super Bowl winning Qb is not a Super Bowl MVP caliBER Qb, at least not in my book.
Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Nick Foles...the list does not stop there. Those are SB winning Qbs but they are not SB calibre Qbs. I define the latter as franchise Qbs who can consistently give a team outstanding Qb play and winning football.
And is strange that if 'everyone' (really?) considered him a long-term starting Qb there has been few times where teams have decided to go with him (outside of injury to others), to lead their team into the season. No, in spite of your insistence I am going to stick to my guns on this one.
No, in spite of your insistence I am going to stick to my guns on this one.
You'll pay for that.. one way or another.
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Well, sorry, everyone else on planet earth would.
So, OK....he is not starting caliber (you spelled it calibre...are you British?)......he is Championship, Super Bowl MVP caliber.
You are playing loose with words there Gipper. Super Bowl winning Qb is not a Super Bowl MVP caliBER Qb, at least not in my book.
Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Nick Foles...the list does not stop there. Those are SB winning Qbs but they are not SB calibre Qbs. I define the latter as franchise Qbs who can consistently give a team outstanding Qb play and winning football.
And is strange that if 'everyone' (really?) considered him a long-term starting Qb there has been few times where teams have decided to go with him (outside of injury to others), to lead their team into the season. No, in spite of your insistence I am going to stick to my guns on this one.
You are playing loose with words there Gipper. Super Bowl winning Qb is not a Super Bowl MVP caliBER Qb, at least not in my book.
I think you are the one that is playing loose with words. You asked simply "I am surprised that the Bears have not made a play for a starting QB" You didn't preface it with: I am surprised that the Bears did not make a play for a borderline Hall of Fame QB. And further you are playing loose with words when you say the Foles is not a Super Bowl MVP caliber QB. But the thing is....he is EXACTLY that. He WON the Super Bowl MVP.
Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Nick Foles...the list does not stop there. Those are SB winning Qbs but they are not SB calibre Qbs. I define the latter as franchise Qbs who can consistently give a team outstanding Qb play and winning football.
Again, you play loose with words. Those QBs you mention DID in fact give their team outstanding QB play and gave them winning football...in the years they all started and won Super Bowls. But, if you actually meant that you wanted only , as I said, borderline HOF QBs.....QBs that were taking their teams to the top echelon year after year....then you should have said that....And what you meant was that you just wanted the possible half dozen QBs over the last 20 years that have done that.
And is strange that if 'everyone' (really?) considered him a long-term starting Qb there has been few times where teams have decided to go with him (outside of injury to others), to lead their team into the season. No, in spite of your insistence I am going to stick to my guns on this one.
You can stick to your guns all you want. But YOU have to decide which gun it is that you want to stick to. So....you do not want any QB to be in play for the Bears that only ever lead his team one single Super Bowl...victory. (which in this group of FA QBs this year would include Drew Brees) .....or one that took his team to a Super Bowl victory, won the MVP, lead that team in playoffs in another year, even if he played full time (Foles). And it would obviously mean you do not want a QB who was unsuccesful in the SB he played in (Newton). And certainly the Teddy Bridgewaters, Winstons, Tannehill , Mariota, Rivers, Case Keenums would be out....because NONE of them have proven to be Super Bowl MVP caliber....or even capable of taking their team to the Super Bowl....because none of them have. So, by logic and deduction there was only ONE guy out there that to you, who was a free agent capable of being a multiple SB MVP, was Tom Brady. So, I guess your question really was: why didn't the Bears make a play for Tom Brady. .
On the other hand...if you had some other names in mind...you should just spell those out...and just go by the names you want and not base it on any particular criteria, which all but one guy could ever have met.
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You are playing loose with words there Gipper. Super Bowl winning Qb is not a Super Bowl MVP caliBER Qb, at least not in my book.
I think you are the one that is playing loose with words. You asked simply "I am surprised that the Bears have not made a play for a starting QB" You didn't preface it with: I am surprised that the Bears did not make a play for a borderline Hall of Fame QB. And further you are playing loose with words when you say the Foles is not a Super Bowl MVP caliber QB. But the thing is....he is EXACTLY that. He WON the Super Bowl MVP.
Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Nick Foles...the list does not stop there. Those are SB winning Qbs but they are not SB calibre Qbs. I define the latter as franchise Qbs who can consistently give a team outstanding Qb play and winning football.
Again, you play loose with words. Those QBs you mention DID in fact give their team outstanding QB play and gave them winning football...in the years they all started and won Super Bowls. But, if you actually meant that you wanted only , as I said, borderline HOF QBs.....QBs that were taking their teams to the top echelon year after year....then you should have said that....And what you meant was that you just wanted the possible half dozen QBs over the last 20 years that have done that.
And is strange that if 'everyone' (really?) considered him a long-term starting Qb there has been few times where teams have decided to go with him (outside of injury to others), to lead their team into the season. No, in spite of your insistence I am going to stick to my guns on this one.
You can stick to your guns all you want. But YOU have to decide which gun it is that you want to stick to. So....you do not want any QB to be in play for the Bears that only ever lead his team one single Super Bowl...victory. (which in this group of FA QBs this year would include Drew Brees) .....or one that took his team to a Super Bowl victory, won the MVP, lead that team in playoffs in another year, even if he played full time (Foles). And it would obviously mean you do not want a QB who was unsuccesful in the SB he played in (Newton). And certainly the Teddy Bridgewaters, Winstons, Tannehill , Mariota, Rivers, Case Keenums would be out....because NONE of them have proven to be Super Bowl MVP caliber....or even capable of taking their team to the Super Bowl....because none of them have. So, by logic and deduction there was only ONE guy out there that to you, who was a free agent capable of being a multiple SB MVP, was Tom Brady. So, I guess your question really was: why didn't the Bears make a play for Tom Brady. .
On the other hand...if you had some other names in mind...you should just spell those out...and just go by the names you want and not base it on any particular criteria, which all but one guy could ever have met.
There is one issue being discussed, and that is whether ‘everybody’ considers Nick Foles a starting Qb. Here are his stats. Feel free to look them up. I did.
He has been a designated back-up Qb for 71 games. He has been a starter due to the injury of the Qb playing ahead of him 18 games, and he has been the designated starter in 21 games.
Now there is grey area here, small as it may be. For example, could Vick have come back after 2-3 weeks from a concussion if Noles had been playing poorly? We will never know. But even if you grant that possibility it doesn’t change the facts a hell of a lot.
Excluding injuries which have forced him to start, Nick Foles has been a designated back-up 77% of his games for his career.
He has also been traded or released 4 times.
He is also listed as the 2nd Qb behind Mitch Trubisky, recognized by many as one of the worse starting Qbs in the league.
I will grant you that Nick Foles has been unbelievable at times. But it is his inconsistency which has always driven him back to being what he has been more than ¾ of his career. Far from ‘everyone’ thinking he is a starting Qb, ask yourself if he is that good consistently why has he been traded or released 4 times and why are more than 75% of his games is he sitting on the bench? You think maybe 'everybody' doesn't think he is a starter?
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There is one issue being discussed, and that is whether ‘everybody’ considers Nick Foles a starting Qb. Here are his stats. Feel free to look them up. I did.
He has been a designated back-up Qb for 71 games. He has been a starter due to the injury of the Qb playing ahead of him 18 games, and he has been the designated starter in 21 games.
Now there is grey area here, small as it may be. For example, could Vick have come back after 2-3 weeks from a concussion if Noles had been playing poorly? We will never know. But even if you grant that possibility it doesn’t change the facts a hell of a lot.
Excluding injuries which have forced him to start, Nick Foles has been a designated back-up 77% of his games for his career.
He has also been traded or released 4 times.
He is also listed as the 2nd Qb behind Mitch Trubisky, recognized by many as one of the worse starting Qbs in the league.
I will grant you that Nick Foles has been unbelievable at times. But it is his inconsistency which has always driven him back to being what he has been more than ¾ of his career. Far from ‘everyone’ thinking he is a starting Qb, ask yourself if he is that good consistently why has he been traded or released 4 times and why are more than 75% of his games is he sitting on the bench? You think maybe 'everybody' doesn't think he is a starter?
There is one issue being discussed, and that is whether ‘everybody’ considers Nick Foles a starting Qb. Here are his stats. Feel free to look them up. I did.
He has been a designated back-up Qb for 71 games. He has been a starter due to the injury of the Qb playing ahead of him 18 games, and he has been the designated starter in 21 games.
Now there is grey area here, small as it may be. For example, could Vick have come back after 2-3 weeks from a concussion if Noles had been playing poorly? We will never know. But even if you grant that possibility it doesn’t change the facts a hell of a lot.
Excluding injuries which have forced him to start, Nick Foles has been a designated back-up 77% of his games for his career.
He has also been traded or released 4 times.
He is also listed as the 2nd Qb behind Mitch Trubisky, recognized by many as one of the worse starting Qbs in the league.
I will grant you that Nick Foles has been unbelievable at times. But it is his inconsistency which has always driven him back to being what he has been more than ¾ of his career. Far from ‘everyone’ thinking he is a starting Qb, ask yourself if he is that good consistently why has he been traded or released 4 times and why are more than 75% of his games is he sitting on the bench? You think maybe 'everybody' doesn't think he is a starter?
But now you are here again attempting to redefine the parameters of YOUR question.
You asked "why have not the Bears made a play for ANY QB". Nick Foles IS "ANY" QB. And he has obviously been a great backup QB...and the times he has started, he took his team to a championship....and he personally became a Super Bowl MVP. So I would consider such a person a bit more than "any QB"
So, as I said....YOU need to decide which gun you want to stick to. I mean you said you would take any gun. I mean, are you asking for a Super Soaker, or an M-15. Make up your mind.
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I'm curious as to where Dalton lands...and Cam Newton for that matter. Who has a realistic back-up option? San Diego? Jacksonville? Tampa? They will definitely be making less than $7 mil/yr especially after Winston's deal with NO. If I'm the Browns, i patiently watch what Dalton does. If he is not signed by training camp, I would invite him just for the sake of having another qb who will know the playbook. Odds are he won't make the team but it could be a good way for him to get some reps in and stay ready. hell, maybe be able to trade him for a 7th rounder for a qb needy team. In saying that, i fully recognize that it maybe more beneficial for him to just sit and wait for someone to get hurt and there be an opening somewhere.
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Well, when you consider that Winston and Newton were also essentially just let go without much in the way of takers, then the Bengals not getting anything for Dalton is not surprising.
Issue is: where does he land. To Bacon Hound: no, he won't fit here. We have Keenum who is a Stefanski favorite. And 3rd string Gilbert. I don't see him here.
Talking heads in the sports media are all about Dalton heading to the Pats, but with their cap situation, I'm not sure how feasible or desirable that is.
Dallas, perhaps? I could see if Dak continues his contract dispute, Jerrah might just say fuck it and sign Dalton as a bridge QB. Doesn't hurt that Dalton is from Texas and played at TCU, either.
Talking heads in the sports media are all about Dalton heading to the Pats, but with their cap situation, I'm not sure how feasible or desirable that is.
Dallas, perhaps? I could see if Dak continues his contract dispute, Jerrah might just say fuck it and sign Dalton as a bridge QB. Doesn't hurt that Dalton is from Texas and played at TCU, either.
I’ll eat crow cause you were right on it. I don’t blame him, I don’t get why more dudes don’t take that route. Dalton will easily earn 20 mil to ideally ride the pine for 5 years. Sign my ass up.
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Talking heads in the sports media are all about Dalton heading to the Pats, but with their cap situation, I'm not sure how feasible or desirable that is.
Dallas, perhaps? I could see if Dak continues his contract dispute, Jerrah might just say fuck it and sign Dalton as a bridge QB. Doesn't hurt that Dalton is from Texas and played at TCU, either.
I’ll eat crow cause you were right on it. I don’t blame him, I don’t get why more dudes don’t take that route. Dalton will easily earn 20 mil to ideally ride the pine for 5 years. Sign my ass up.
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Jerry Jones bar was working overnight... https://nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001112563/article/qb-andy-dalton-signs-oneyear-deal-to-join-cowboys
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