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  • S SdBacker80

    if memory serves me right “Trust me” was the Kessler pick equally bad though 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    if memory serves me right “Trust me” was the Kessler pick equally bad though 

    Honestly, Kessler at least looked like an NFL QB on the field. A back-up/3rd string caliber dude, but at at least wasn't a total embarrassment. He actually was an extremely accurate guy within 10-12 yards, just had ZERO ability to push the ball downfield. Ain't gonna win with that type of guy anymore.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @jrb12711 said:

    kizer is a dude I feel bad for, certainly is the definition of being thrown to the wolves.

    but most importantly, the dude just sucked. His college game tape had literal Unwatchable bad tape. He was a 5th round project who got way overdrafted in a weak QB class. Remembering some of his throws still gives me nightmares.

    And the one game changing pass he hit on the sidelines got just flat out dropped. Ironic.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And the one game changing pass he hit on the sidelines got just flat out dropped. Ironic.

    Coleman was just plain, a loser.

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  • Not going to debate Kizer's potential, but the main point of the article is one I embrace. Namely that whatever chance Kizer had to be a starting QB in the NFL was destroyed by Hue's handling of him and the QB room as a whole. My evidence? An expert witness named Jon Gruden.

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. But now that he's seen him for a time, he's cut him loose....

    ... and kept Nate Peterman as his QB3.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Not going to debate Kizer's potential, but the main point of the article is one I embrace. Namely that whatever chance Kizer had to be a starting QB in the NFL was destroyed by Hue's handling of him and the QB room as a whole. My evidence? An expert witness named Jon Gruden.

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. But now that he's seen him for a time, he's cut him loose....

    ... and kept Nate Peterman as his QB3.

    @tour2ma said:

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. 

    I can't tell if you're actually being serious here...? 

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @tour2ma said:

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. 

    I can't tell if you're actually being serious here...? 

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't tell if you're actually being serious here...? 

    I am.

    To my eye and ear Jon's summary of Kizer's "camp" was genuine and optimisitc. There were a couple that Jon "manufactured" out of bullshit, but Kizer's wasn't among them.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't tell if you're actually being serious here...? 

    I am.

    To my eye and ear Jon's summary of Kizer's "camp" was genuine and optimisitc. There were a couple that Jon "manufactured" out of bullshit, but Kizer's wasn't among them.

    @tour2ma said:

    I am.

    To my eye and ear Jon's summary of Kizer's "camp" was genuine and optimisitc. There were a couple that Jon "manufactured" out of bullshit, but Kizer's wasn't among them.

    I guess that's fair, so long as you're acknowledging that Gruden basically "liked" every QB which came across his desk.

    I suppose picking him up in Oakland does lend a bit more weight to that statement.  

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Not going to debate Kizer's potential, but the main point of the article is one I embrace. Namely that whatever chance Kizer had to be a starting QB in the NFL was destroyed by Hue's handling of him and the QB room as a whole. My evidence? An expert witness named Jon Gruden.

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. But now that he's seen him for a time, he's cut him loose....

    ... and kept Nate Peterman as his QB3.

    @tour2ma said:

    Not going to debate Kizer's potential, but the main point of the article is one I embrace. Namely that whatever chance Kizer had to be a starting QB in the NFL was destroyed by Hue's handling of him and the QB room as a whole. My evidence? An expert witness named Jon Gruden.

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. But now that he's seen him for a time, he's cut him loose....

    ... and kept Nate Peterman as his QB3.

    That’s a pretty hard sell that it’s all Hue’s fault. The guy certainly did Kizer no favors but he did get his foot in the door with 2 other teams and it didn’t pan out. It’s a tough results oriented business and at the end of the day an argument could be made that Kizer just didn’t put it all together quickly enough to Morph into a viable NFL QB. 

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  • Arena League  talent......maybe. 

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  • Not sure I buy the framing of this article/thread.. nothing's more stupid than the segment of this population/culture which seeks to prematurely build things up seemingly for the sole purpose of then "destroying" those same things.. even though nothing substantive was ever foundationally present.

    Kizer had tools, sure - but no fewer tools than Spergon Wynn.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    kizer is a dude I feel bad for, certainly is the definition of being thrown to the wolves.

    but most importantly, the dude just sucked. His college game tape had literal Unwatchable bad tape. He was a 5th round project who got way overdrafted in a weak QB class. Remembering some of his throws still gives me nightmares.

    @jrb12711 said:

    kizer is a dude I feel bad for, certainly is the definition of being thrown to the wolves.

    but most importantly, the dude just sucked. His college game tape had literal Unwatchable bad tape. He was a 5th round project who got way overdrafted in a weak QB class. Remembering some of his throws still gives me nightmares.

    Cream rises to the top: once a turd, always a turd. He's shown zero development since he was drafted. Just another horrid Browns' pick. Another hit of Weeden was a better QB. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Arena League  talent......maybe. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Arena League  talent......maybe. 

    Coupled with the Arena League coach to match.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Arena League  talent......maybe. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Arena League  talent......maybe. 

    Arena League actually Requires quicker process times (smaller field) and requires better accuracy.  It would probably expose him more. 
     

    Canadian.  XFL probably better options.
     

    and Yes Gruden loves everyone.  Why would a prospect/agent arrange Themselves in a situation where they would get negative airtime right before a draft. 

  • do some googling on what Irish HC Brian Kelly thought of Kizer leaving school early..? his draft projections, were projected way to high... Hue Jackson was not the coach Kizer needed at the next level

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    do some googling on what Irish HC Brian Kelly thought of Kizer leaving school early..? his draft projections, were projected way to high... Hue Jackson was not the coach Kizer needed at the next level

    @gumby73 said:

    Hue Jackson was not the coach Kizer needed at the next level

    Neither was he the one we needed... 😉

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  • Kizer is pure Kaka!!

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  • IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown

    @tour2ma said:

    Not going to debate Kizer's potential, but the main point of the article is one I embrace. Namely that whatever chance Kizer had to be a starting QB in the NFL was destroyed by Hue's handling of him and the QB room as a whole. My evidence? An expert witness named Jon Gruden.

    Jon liked what he saw of Kizer in his "QB Camp"... enough that when he had a chance to scoop him up after GB, he did. But now that he's seen him for a time, he's cut him loose....

    ... and kept Nate Peterman as his QB3.

    That’s a pretty hard sell that it’s all Hue’s fault. The guy certainly did Kizer no favors but he did get his foot in the door with 2 other teams and it didn’t pan out. It’s a tough results oriented business and at the end of the day an argument could be made that Kizer just didn’t put it all together quickly enough to Morph into a viable NFL QB. 

    @ibleedbrown said:

    That’s a pretty hard sell that it’s all Hue’s fault. The guy certainly did Kizer no favors but he did get his foot in the door with 2 other teams and it didn’t pan out. It’s a tough results oriented business and at the end of the day an argument could be made that Kizer just didn’t put it all together quickly enough to Morph into a viable NFL QB. 

    Someone said it earlier- all you had to do was a casual perusal of 3-4 of Kizer's ND games and it was obvious to even my untrained eye the guy was totally stinko.  5th round project was about right- big arm, with big inaccuracy. I've said for years by the time you get to the major college level you're either accurate, or you're not. That carried through to the NFL and the Browns Hue's lousy coaching as an added detriment. How many times did we see guys wide open, and Deshone throw it in the next county? 

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  • Got a new one... good read.

    Cleveland Browns: From Historic Rookie Season To Sophomore Slump; What Changed For Baker Mayfield, What Happens Next

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    The former Browns coach, fired on Monday after compiling a 3-36-1 record over two and a half years, could not stop himself from making a media appearance and trying to spin things in a positive light.

  • David Njoku says Browns felt 'disrespected' by former ...

    https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2019/07/03/...

    Jul 03, 2019 · Cleveland Browns tight end David Njoku said the team felt "disrespected" by former head coach Hue Jackson, who joined the rival Bengals after the Browns fired him in October.

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    https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/11/18168877/nfl...

    Jan 11, 2019 · My source says Hue Jackson is out. — Elise Jesse (@Elise_JesseWLWT) January 11, 2019 The Bengals actually interviewed Jackson for the head-coaching gig, but he won’t even get a position coach ...

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