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  • htownbrown htownbrownH Reacting Well Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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    I had some time today.....

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    Outer mask fabric....

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    Inner mask fabric....

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    Bottom line:

    This shit isn't going to flatten the curve...

    “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      This is ground breaking stuff. You should let the medical science community know. 

      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan
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        If you're going to fuck someone, make sure you wear an n95 mask.  

        "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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          Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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          Kind of like why a pair of jeans can’t contain a fart.

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            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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            All that science, yet you're still rocking windows XP it looks like?

            edit: Anybody else read the thread title in Doc Brown's voice? 

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              All that science, yet you're still rocking windows XP it looks like?

              edit: Anybody else read the thread title in Doc Brown's voice? 

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              htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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              @tiamat63 said:

              All that science, yet you're still rocking windows XP it looks like?

              edit: Anybody else read the thread title in Doc Brown's voice? 

              Its a 1987 jsm-820.

              The newer scopes are occupied.

              “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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                Kind of like why a pair of jeans can’t contain a fart.

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                @canton-dawg said:

                Kind of like why a pair of jeans can’t contain a fart.

                This should be a joke sarcastically poking fun at people that actually believe this

                But I'm guessing it a statement of support ...

                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  Kind of like why a pair of jeans can’t contain a fart.

                  This should be a joke sarcastically poking fun at people that actually believe this

                  But I'm guessing it a statement of support ...

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                  htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  This should be a joke sarcastically poking fun at people that actually believe this

                  But I'm guessing it a statement of support ...

                  So what don't you like?  The pictures, the chart, or the bottom line?

                  “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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                    @mld-woody said:

                    This should be a joke sarcastically poking fun at people that actually believe this

                    But I'm guessing it a statement of support ...

                    So what don't you like?  The pictures, the chart, or the bottom line?

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                    AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by
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                    @htownbrown said:

                    So what don't you like?  The pictures, the chart, or the bottom line?

                    It doesn't advance the liberal narrative. 😉

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                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-n-95-filters-not-too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/

                      The science of mask functionality gets really small, really fast. The unit of measurement here is microns — 1/1000th of a millimeter.

                      The size-based argument against N95 laid out in this claim assumes mask filtering works something like water flowing through a net — particles in the water smaller than the net opening pass through, while larger items don’t.

                      But the physics involved don’t work like that at all.

                      The COVID-19 particle is indeed around 0.1 microns in size, but it is always bonded to something larger.

                      “There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people,” said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.

                      The virus attaches to water droplets or aerosols (i.e. really small droplets) that are generated by breathing, talking, coughing, etc. These consist of water, mucus protein and other biological material and are all larger than 1 micron.

                      “Breathing and talking generate particles around 1 micron in size, which will be collected by N95 respirator filters with very high efficiency,” said Lisa Brosseau, a retired professor of environmental and occupational health sciences who spent her career researching respiratory protection.

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                        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                        Never thought Cal would be the one that linked you medical science you failed to consider.  

                        As the kids say "weird flex, but ok".

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                          Never thought Cal would be the one that linked you medical science you failed to consider.  

                          As the kids say "weird flex, but ok".

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                          htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          Never thought Cal would be the one that linked you medical science you failed to consider.  

                          As the kids say "weird flex, but ok".

                          It's not a n95 mask that I scoped.  Its what the average person wears, which is a run of the mill surgical mask.  I also never said anything about a "naked" virus.

                          “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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                            htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                            I'd also like to add PM 2.5 can fly across oceans.  Meaning it can stay suspended in a room for the entirety of its "lifespan" if its not well ventilated.  

                            “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              Back in my AF days , I was thinking of being a physician's assistant, took biology classes, even genetics, etc. Til a physician's assistant explained that it was a great idea if I was going to make the AF a career, but a bad choice in civilian life etc etc.

                              She was right. My other idea was biomedical engineer - I wanted to do R&D in advanced prostheses.

                              way too much advanced math.

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                                I'd also like to add PM 2.5 can fly across oceans.  Meaning it can stay suspended in a room for the entirety of its "lifespan" if its not well ventilated.  

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                                @htownbrown said:

                                I'd also like to add PM 2.5 can fly across oceans.  Meaning it can stay suspended in a room for the entirety of its "lifespan" if its not well ventilated.  

                                maybe in one of these:

                                maxresdefault.jpg  Oh, I'm just being funny. sorry.

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                                  htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                  "N95 respirators made by different companies were found to have different filtration efficiencies for the most penetrating particle size (0.1 to 0.3 micron), but all were at least 95% efficient at that size for NaCl particles."

                                  I didn't see any....but maybe someone can point me to the .3 micron pores in the pictures I posted???

                                  “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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                                  • htownbrownH htownbrown

                                    I had some time today.....

                                    UOEH_A_684582_F0002_B.jpg.1d2533bc51b1c9068b8301f30de17339.jpg

                                    20200806_143608.thumb.jpg.62953261873dd382af92060bf7c9caf2.jpg

                                    Outer mask fabric....

                                    20200806_152642.thumb.jpg.a29dd9392207b83ae3590411fc3a58d7.jpg

                                    Inner mask fabric....

                                    20200806_152342.thumb.jpg.a35ecc269d82f6655b4b3e73703ecc9b.jpg

                                    Bottom line:

                                    This shit isn't going to flatten the curve...

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                                    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @htownbrown said:

                                    I had some time today.....

                                    UOEH_A_684582_F0002_B.jpg.1d2533bc51b1c9068b8301f30de17339.jpg

                                    20200806_143608.thumb.jpg.62953261873dd382af92060bf7c9caf2.jpg

                                    Outer mask fabric....

                                    20200806_152642.thumb.jpg.a29dd9392207b83ae3590411fc3a58d7.jpg

                                    Inner mask fabric....

                                    20200806_152342.thumb.jpg.a35ecc269d82f6655b4b3e73703ecc9b.jpg

                                    Bottom line:

                                    This shit isn't going to flatten the curve...

                                    @htownbrown said:

                                    So what don't you like?  The pictures, the chart, or the bottom line?

                                    Your methodology is a bit flawed.

                                    I did a deep dive on mask pore size on this thread a few weeks ago, but I'll repost here:

                                    "You are correct about the average size of typical viruses. However, viruses do not exist in a vacuum; on their own, they cannot travel very far, and can be quite vulnerable to outside influences, such as temperature, relative humidity of the air and UV light from the sun. As such, viruses need a transmission vector in order to spread. In most cases, that is usually droplets coming from sneezing or coughing. Those droplets are much bigger than the viruses they carry; usually around 0.6-1000 micrometers (um)."

                                    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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                                      @htownbrown said:

                                      I had some time today.....

                                      UOEH_A_684582_F0002_B.jpg.1d2533bc51b1c9068b8301f30de17339.jpg

                                      20200806_143608.thumb.jpg.62953261873dd382af92060bf7c9caf2.jpg

                                      Outer mask fabric....

                                      20200806_152642.thumb.jpg.a29dd9392207b83ae3590411fc3a58d7.jpg

                                      Inner mask fabric....

                                      20200806_152342.thumb.jpg.a35ecc269d82f6655b4b3e73703ecc9b.jpg

                                      Bottom line:

                                      This shit isn't going to flatten the curve...

                                      @htownbrown said:

                                      So what don't you like?  The pictures, the chart, or the bottom line?

                                      Your methodology is a bit flawed.

                                      I did a deep dive on mask pore size on this thread a few weeks ago, but I'll repost here:

                                      "You are correct about the average size of typical viruses. However, viruses do not exist in a vacuum; on their own, they cannot travel very far, and can be quite vulnerable to outside influences, such as temperature, relative humidity of the air and UV light from the sun. As such, viruses need a transmission vector in order to spread. In most cases, that is usually droplets coming from sneezing or coughing. Those droplets are much bigger than the viruses they carry; usually around 0.6-1000 micrometers (um)."

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                                      htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                      @jbluhm86 said:

                                      Your methodology is a bit flawed.

                                      I did a deep dive on mask pore size on this thread a few weeks ago, but I'll repost here:

                                      "You are correct about the average size of typical viruses. However, viruses do not exist in a vacuum; on their own, they cannot travel very far, and can be quite vulnerable to outside influences, such as temperature, relative humidity of the air and UV light from the sun. As such, viruses need a transmission vector in order to spread. In most cases, that is usually droplets coming from sneezing or coughing. Those droplets are much bigger than the viruses they carry; usually around 0.6-1000 micrometers (um)."

                                      I'm aware

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                                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                        Can you source your graph? I don't doubt the data I just want more context. 

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                                          Can you source your graph? I don't doubt the data I just want more context. 

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                                          htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Can you source your graph? I don't doubt the data I just want more context. 

                                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22651099/

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