For the deniers. Our rivalry with Pitt went to Baltimore
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Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
I think the Steelers might be exposed this game. Jackson has been correlled this season and he might go off this game.
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... and even more significantly Jackson has been corralled ...
Lamar's always the X-factor in Raven's games, but I saw a good breakdown a couple days ago on NFL Live of the PTG WR Corps vs. BLT DBs matchup. Expectation being that BLTs' press, man coverage can upset the timing of PTGs' short passing game. And with Ben there's little fear of him running with DBs' backs turned to him.
So PTG pass-rush lane/depth discipline vs. BLT press-man... whichever breaks down the least should key the victory of what should be a great game.
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Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
I think the Steelers might be exposed this game. Jackson has been correlled this season and he might go off this game.
I think the Steelers might be exposed this game. Jackson has been correlled this season and he might go off this game.
I'm still not convinced Lamar Jackson is a long term at answer at QB for them... Or anybody for that matter... Yes he has a nice skill set... But at some point.. His mojo has to run out.. He still throws like a girl.. Run first QB's normally don't last long.. Yes I know there are anomalies like Mike Vick and Steve Young.. But even they learned to win in the pocket...
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The Steelers will win this game, they're the better team.
I'm in disagreement on the rivalry. Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
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The Steelers will win this game, they're the better team.
I'm in disagreement on the rivalry. Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
The Steelers will win this game, they're the better team.
I'm in disagreement on the rivalry. Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
I agree with you, but rivalries have come to be perceived in two ways.
Historically we will always be the main rivals to Pittsburgh, arguably the best rivalry in the NFL....as is OSU and Mich in college, no matter how many times OSU beats their ass.
Others view a rivalry as a reflection of wins and losses. I suppose in a perfect world a 50/50 win loss record would make for the perfect rivalry.
I started this thread based on the latter perception of a rivalry.
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Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
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Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
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Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
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Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
In the meantime we will settle on that old song "I don't want to work. I just want bang on de head all day!"?
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In the meantime we will settle on that old song "I don't want to work. I just want bang on de head all day!"?
How the hell you let someone beat you up with your own helmet....
Can you image having to tell your dad.... “Ya I started a fight, then the guy kicked my ass with my own helmet”
Hoping both teams come out of this game with major injuries to key players. Fuck em’ all.
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Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
The rivalry is still there with the 45 and older generation... It's lying dormant waiting for the Browns to get better and make it meaningful again...
Yep, the good old days where Turkey Jones lives on!
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Can't believe I agree with a Gorka post... the end times must be drawing near... probably arriving Nov 3rd... or so...
But yeah... both teams have to be be good at the same time and play meaningful games to be true rivals. And that's rarely been the case between us and PTG. So ours just falls to the regional rivalry thing... kinda the lowest teir.
BLT? Who has battled for AFCN supremacy since 2000? There's your rivalry...
Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
Not surprising you'd agree with me now because I just happen to be wrong. This thread was created to pander to those such as yourself with a skewed perception of a what a rivalry actually is.
A definition of a rivalry:
A rivalry is the state of two people or groups engaging in a lasting competitive relationship. Rivalry is the "against each other" spirit between two competing sides. The relationship itself may also be called "a rivalry", and each participant or side a rival to the other.
Nothing here about both competitors having to be good at the same time "to be true rivals" is there Tour?
No, there's not... but then the term "true rivals" doesn't appear in your unattributed definition does it?
Are true rivalries one-sided? Not in my book... also not in Webster's or Oxford's where "competitiveness" is a prominent criteria.
In my first reply I alluded to their being "tiers" in rivalries. "True" is one of the higher tiers. "Heated" sits atop the pyramid.
Ask Vagetron if he and his Steeler buds see us as a rival?
Then go "skew" yourself...
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The Steelers will win this game, they're the better team.
I'm in disagreement on the rivalry. Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
Longest running what in the who?
There are at least a dozen former AFL teams in line to correct you, Bob...
That said the fact that the Browns and Steelers both made the jump to the AFC at the merger is testament to the existence of a rivalry.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Just because the Browns have stunk for so long doesn't mean the longest running series in the AFC isn't a rivalry.
Longest running what in the who?
There are at least a dozen former AFL teams in line to correct you, Bob...
That said the fact that the Browns and Steelers both made the jump to the AFC at the merger is testament to the existence of a rivalry.
Longest running what in the who?
There are at least a dozen former AFL teams in line to correct you, Bob...
That said the fact that the Browns and Steelers both made the jump to the AFC at the merger is testament to the existence of a rivalry.
I swear I've heard on a number of occasions the Browns-Steelers series is the oldest in the AFC. 59-75-1 (135 games). No other teams in the AFC have met more, including the original AFL teams. So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
For example, the Broncos & Raiders, both original AFL teams have met 119 times (64-53-2 in favor of the Raiders). Chiefs (Dallas Texans)-Raiders have met 120 times, Bills-Jets (NY Titans) 120 times, etc....
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Longest running what in the who?
There are at least a dozen former AFL teams in line to correct you, Bob...
That said the fact that the Browns and Steelers both made the jump to the AFC at the merger is testament to the existence of a rivalry.
I swear I've heard on a number of occasions the Browns-Steelers series is the oldest in the AFC. 59-75-1 (135 games). No other teams in the AFC have met more, including the original AFL teams. So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
For example, the Broncos & Raiders, both original AFL teams have met 119 times (64-53-2 in favor of the Raiders). Chiefs (Dallas Texans)-Raiders have met 120 times, Bills-Jets (NY Titans) 120 times, etc....
I swear I've heard on a number of occasions the Browns-Steelers series is the oldest in the AFC. 59-75-1 (135 games). No other teams in the AFC have met more, including the original AFL teams. So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
For example, the Broncos & Raiders, both original AFL teams have met 119 times (64-53-2 in favor of the Raiders). Chiefs (Dallas Texans)-Raiders have met 120 times, Bills-Jets (NY Titans) 120 times, etc....
Technically you'd be correct, since both the Browns and Steelers are AFC teams NOW and their rivalry goes back to 1950, even though the first 20 seasons it was in the NFL.
Jesus, is 59-75-1 the Browns record vs the Steelers now? They were something along the lines of 31-9 after the first 20 years vs Pittsburgh.
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I swear I've heard on a number of occasions the Browns-Steelers series is the oldest in the AFC. 59-75-1 (135 games). No other teams in the AFC have met more, including the original AFL teams. So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
For example, the Broncos & Raiders, both original AFL teams have met 119 times (64-53-2 in favor of the Raiders). Chiefs (Dallas Texans)-Raiders have met 120 times, Bills-Jets (NY Titans) 120 times, etc....
Technically you'd be correct, since both the Browns and Steelers are AFC teams NOW and their rivalry goes back to 1950, even though the first 20 seasons it was in the NFL.
Jesus, is 59-75-1 the Browns record vs the Steelers now? They were something along the lines of 31-9 after the first 20 years vs Pittsburgh.
Technically you'd be correct, since both the Browns and Steelers are AFC teams NOW and their rivalry goes back to 1950, even though the first 20 seasons it was in the NFL.
Jesus, is 59-75-1 the Browns record vs the Steelers now? They were something along the lines of 31-9 after the first 20 years vs Pittsburgh.
Yep, it sucks.
The Browns have only won 6 times in Pittsburgh since 1970. Ouch.
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Technically you'd be correct, since both the Browns and Steelers are AFC teams NOW and their rivalry goes back to 1950, even though the first 20 seasons it was in the NFL.
Jesus, is 59-75-1 the Browns record vs the Steelers now? They were something along the lines of 31-9 after the first 20 years vs Pittsburgh.
Yep, it sucks.
The Browns have only won 6 times in Pittsburgh since 1970. Ouch.
Yep, it sucks.
The Browns have only won 6 times in Pittsburgh since 1970. Ouch.
50 years... 6 fucking wins.
How completely one-sided has this rivalry become?
Since the 1989 season, in which the Browns destroyed the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers, the Browns have had THREE winning seasons. (1994, 2002 and 2007).
The Browns went 0-8 vs the Steelers in those three winning seasons.
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Longest running what in the who?
There are at least a dozen former AFL teams in line to correct you, Bob...
That said the fact that the Browns and Steelers both made the jump to the AFC at the merger is testament to the existence of a rivalry.
I swear I've heard on a number of occasions the Browns-Steelers series is the oldest in the AFC. 59-75-1 (135 games). No other teams in the AFC have met more, including the original AFL teams. So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
For example, the Broncos & Raiders, both original AFL teams have met 119 times (64-53-2 in favor of the Raiders). Chiefs (Dallas Texans)-Raiders have met 120 times, Bills-Jets (NY Titans) 120 times, etc....
So maybe you misinterpreted my comment or I wasn't clear enough ?
Neither... although it's not you, it's me...
I simply didn't think of NFL meetings counting in an AFC count, but did for AFL.
Logical? Maybe not, but just the way I saw it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yep, it sucks.
The Browns have only won 6 times in Pittsburgh since 1970. Ouch.
50 years... 6 fucking wins.
How completely one-sided has this rivalry become?
Since the 1989 season, in which the Browns destroyed the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers, the Browns have had THREE winning seasons. (1994, 2002 and 2007).
The Browns went 0-8 vs the Steelers in those three winning seasons.
50 years... 6 fucking wins.
How completely one-sided has this rivalry become?
Since the 1989 season, in which the Browns destroyed the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers, the Browns have had THREE winning seasons. (1994, 2002 and 2007).
The Browns went 0-8 vs the Steelers in those three winning seasons.
Jeezus. That is a brutal read.
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50 years... 6 fucking wins.
How completely one-sided has this rivalry become?
Since the 1989 season, in which the Browns destroyed the Steelers 51-0 at Three Rivers, the Browns have had THREE winning seasons. (1994, 2002 and 2007).
The Browns went 0-8 vs the Steelers in those three winning seasons.
Jeezus. That is a brutal read.
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