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  • This isn't the Ravens of old, they are a front that gives up chunk running plays when teams don't abandon that half of their game.

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    This isn't the Ravens of old, they are a front that gives up chunk running plays when teams don't abandon that half of their game.

    I think this is going to be the key of this game. If we keep running, 3rd and 4th quarters can become real long for the Ravens' defense. 

    I also think that tonight's game, watching how tough is going to be to get a playoff spot in the AFC, is a huge game for Lamar, so he might keep having his big game jitters.

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by
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    Agreed they have "a reputation" - but wasn't that reputation really just the prime years of Haloti Ngata?

    Look at the front7 starters -- Derek Wolfe [decent], B.Williams [average], Campbell [good]; McPhee [good], Harrison [average], Queen [terrible], Judon [decent].

    Teller's activated -- if anything, Ravens need to worry about Browns rather than the other way around.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    This isn't the Ravens of old, they are a front that gives up chunk running plays when teams don't abandon that half of their game.

    I think this is going to be the key of this game. If we keep running, 3rd and 4th quarters can become real long for the Ravens' defense. 

    I also think that tonight's game, watching how tough is going to be to get a playoff spot in the AFC, is a huge game for Lamar, so he might keep having his big game jitters.

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
    #83

    @nero said:

    I think this is going to be the key of this game. If we keep running, 3rd and 4th quarters can become real long for the Ravens' defense. 

    I also think that tonight's game, watching how tough is going to be to get a playoff spot in the AFC, is a huge game for Lamar, so he might keep having his big game jitters.

    Jitter or no jitters I think we need to force him into things he doesn’t do well.  Take him off the quick between the hash read and force him to throw outside of the hashes in a 15-20mph wind too.  This is magnified when has to play from behind and push the ball downfield.  

    And of course take away that 3rd and long sneak option by maintaining rush lanes and the spy needs to execute (break down tackle or make him bounce runs and hope the rally delivers).  

    Lastly we need to squeeze those INT opportunities.  Back 7 is gonna have some opportunities. 

  • Agreed they have "a reputation" - but wasn't that reputation really just the prime years of Haloti Ngata?

    Look at the front7 starters -- Derek Wolfe [decent], B.Williams [average], Campbell [good]; McPhee [good], Harrison [average], Queen [terrible], Judon [decent].

    Teller's activated -- if anything, Ravens need to worry about Browns rather than the other way around.

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
    #84

    @unsympathetic said:

    Agreed they have "a reputation" - but wasn't that reputation really just the prime years of Haloti Ngata?

    Look at the front7 starters -- Derek Wolfe [decent], B.Williams [average], Campbell [good]; McPhee [good], Harrison [average], Queen [terrible], Judon [decent].

    Teller's activated -- if anything, Ravens need to worry about Browns rather than the other way around.

    They have a great scheme and they plug in guys that fit the scheme as well or better than any unit in the NFL.  

  • @nero said:

    I think this is going to be the key of this game. If we keep running, 3rd and 4th quarters can become real long for the Ravens' defense. 

    I also think that tonight's game, watching how tough is going to be to get a playoff spot in the AFC, is a huge game for Lamar, so he might keep having his big game jitters.

    Jitter or no jitters I think we need to force him into things he doesn’t do well.  Take him off the quick between the hash read and force him to throw outside of the hashes in a 15-20mph wind too.  This is magnified when has to play from behind and push the ball downfield.  

    And of course take away that 3rd and long sneak option by maintaining rush lanes and the spy needs to execute (break down tackle or make him bounce runs and hope the rally delivers).  

    Lastly we need to squeeze those INT opportunities.  Back 7 is gonna have some opportunities. 

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    Jitter or no jitters I think we need to force him into things he doesn’t do well.  Take him off the quick between the hash read and force him to throw outside of the hashes in a 15-20mph wind too.

    And of course take away that 3rd and long sneak option by maintaining rush lanes and the spy needs to execute (break down tackle or make him bounce runs and hope the rally delivers).  

    Lastly we need to squeeze those INT opportunities.  Back 7 is gonna have some opportunities. 

    I also think that edge contain and gap discipline is a must in this game. He is not that great of a pocket passer. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Jitter or no jitters I think we need to force him into things he doesn’t do well.  Take him off the quick between the hash read and force him to throw outside of the hashes in a 15-20mph wind too.

    And of course take away that 3rd and long sneak option by maintaining rush lanes and the spy needs to execute (break down tackle or make him bounce runs and hope the rally delivers).  

    Lastly we need to squeeze those INT opportunities.  Back 7 is gonna have some opportunities. 

    I also think that edge contain and gap discipline is a must in this game. He is not that great of a pocket passer. 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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    @nero said:

    I also think that edge contain and gap discipline is a must in this game. He is not that great of a pocket passer. 

    Absolutely and that’s maintaining rush lanes. This isn’t the game where Myles gets wide and tries the speed rush looping around the left tackle.   It’s weird but you form a pocket to contain a scrambler like him.  Maybe you have a safety or linebacker shoot a gap and create a big play but Jackson has been in the business of making that guy miss and making first downs. 

    When Jackson’s first step is into the pocket and through a large hole in our interior- it’s a 10+ yard run for him. Just as we did with DHenry it’s get him moving right or left.  
     

  • @nero said:

    I also think that edge contain and gap discipline is a must in this game. He is not that great of a pocket passer. 

    Absolutely and that’s maintaining rush lanes. This isn’t the game where Myles gets wide and tries the speed rush looping around the left tackle.   It’s weird but you form a pocket to contain a scrambler like him.  Maybe you have a safety or linebacker shoot a gap and create a big play but Jackson has been in the business of making that guy miss and making first downs. 

    When Jackson’s first step is into the pocket and through a large hole in our interior- it’s a 10+ yard run for him. Just as we did with DHenry it’s get him moving right or left.  
     

    jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    Absolutely and that’s maintaining rush lanes. This isn’t the game where Myles gets wide and tries the speed rush looping around the left tackle.   It’s weird but you form a pocket to contain a scrambler like him.  Maybe you have a safety or linebacker shoot a gap and create a big play but Jackson has been in the business of making that guy miss and making first downs. 

    When Jackson’s first step is into the pocket and through a large hole in our interior- it’s a 10+ yard run for him. Just as we did with DHenry it’s get him moving right or left.  
     

    It's going to be windy AF tonight. That really doesn't help us. ?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Absolutely and that’s maintaining rush lanes. This isn’t the game where Myles gets wide and tries the speed rush looping around the left tackle.   It’s weird but you form a pocket to contain a scrambler like him.  Maybe you have a safety or linebacker shoot a gap and create a big play but Jackson has been in the business of making that guy miss and making first downs. 

    When Jackson’s first step is into the pocket and through a large hole in our interior- it’s a 10+ yard run for him. Just as we did with DHenry it’s get him moving right or left.  
     

    It's going to be windy AF tonight. That really doesn't help us. ?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @jiggins7919 said:

    It's going to be windy AF tonight. That really doesn't help us. ?

    Quite the opposite - yes it does.  Ravens will be more apt to continue running and Lamar's passes can get away from him, especially in the elements.     Might help to take additional pressure off of our secondary.

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    It's going to be windy AF tonight. That really doesn't help us. ?

    Quite the opposite - yes it does.  Ravens will be more apt to continue running and Lamar's passes can get away from him, especially in the elements.     Might help to take additional pressure off of our secondary.

    jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    Quite the opposite - yes it does.  Ravens will be more apt to continue running and Lamar's passes can get away from him, especially in the elements.     Might help to take additional pressure off of our secondary.

    LET'S GOOOOOOOO. 

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    It's going to be windy AF tonight. That really doesn't help us. ?

    Quite the opposite - yes it does.  Ravens will be more apt to continue running and Lamar's passes can get away from him, especially in the elements.     Might help to take additional pressure off of our secondary.

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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    @tiamat63 said:

    Quite the opposite - yes it does.  Ravens will be more apt to continue running and Lamar's passes can get away from him, especially in the elements.     Might help to take additional pressure off of our secondary.

    I agree 100%.  The problem last time we played the Ravens was Lamar hitting passes downfield.   When he does and you have to cover the entire rectangle.  Good luck... better score some points when you have the ball.

    If you are the Ravens do you want that touch pass he throws floating into the strong Lake Erie breeze?  On the other side Baker can at least rip it. 

    It’s Lamar with his legs, it’s Dobbins, Edwards and company softening up the middle of the D and your quick throw short pass variety.  We can play in a box instead of a rectangle.