2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

No Combine.. Pro Days start early March... But wait...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-nfl-executives-to-oversee-unofficial-scouting-combine-for-2021-nfl-draft-prospects-per-report/

At this point, I don't even trust the official measurements.

Bullshit Kyler Murray is 5'10.

TexasAg1969

@tiamat63 said:

At this point, I don't even trust the official measurements.

Bullshit Kyler Murray is 5'10.

?As measured recently on a pond in his back yard in Allen, Tx while playing hockey against neighborhood kids.??

The Gipper

For what its worth, Mel Kiper said today that the 4 best QB prospects he has ever evaluated since he has been doing what he does are:

John Elway

Andrew Luck

Peyton Manning

Trevor Lawrence.

He didn't say who his next several were.

tiamat63

Was having a few drinks last night and talking the Browns backfield will look in a couple years time. Sure, he isn't a "prospect", but as a young player even a lot of Browns fans have well out-of-mind, I genuinely believe this kid has an NFL future should we break from Chubb and/or Kareem.

The Gipper

@tiamat63 said:

Was having a few drinks last night and talking the Browns backfield will look in a couple years time. Sure, he isn't a "prospect", but as a young player even a lot of Browns fans have well out-of-mind, I genuinely believe this kid has an NFL future should we break from Chubb and/or Kareem.

Duke Johnson since released. Would you rather have D'Ernest or Duke?

SdBacker80

@tiamat63 said:

Was having a few drinks last night and talking the Browns backfield will look in a couple years time. Sure, he isn't a "prospect", but as a young player even a lot of Browns fans have well out-of-mind, I genuinely believe this kid has an NFL future should we break from Chubb and/or Kareem.

Love him. Does a lot of the little things well. Ball Security and Blitz pick up.

He has a nice burst too. I think we called him Kamara Lite during the season.

tiamat63

@sdbacker80 said:

Love him. Does a lot of the little things well. Ball Security and Blitz pick up.

He has a nice burst too. I think we called him Kamara Lite during the season.

Who is "we"...? You mean me?

SdBacker80

@tiamat63 said:

Who is "we"...? You mean me?

Sometime during or after Cowboy or Colt game.

It’s the Hips and burst for me. He obviously isn’t Alvin but he’s got some light qualities.

tiamat63

@sdbacker80 said:

Sometime during or after Cowboy or Colt game.

It’s the Hips and burst for me. He obviously isn’t Alvin but he’s got some light qualities.

Hmm. I didn't think it was that late into the season - 2nd week of October.

ballpeen

I agree on Johnson. I think he can be super if given the chance.

hey, I think I said that to a old girlfriend many years ago.?

Unsympathetic

5 names I'd never heard before but am now excited about..

Tour2ma

@unsympathetic said:

5 names I'd never heard before

And in the case of Tamorrion, one you may never hear again...

The Missou Safety, Gillispie, and UK LB, Davis, look interesting.
Tamorrion is a medical clearance guy... doesn't look fast enough to me.
Slot duo, Rodgers and Felton, look dangerous, but "pressable"... at least in Rodgers' case.

Felton looks to have the type of quick-twitch I've been looking for. Like that he's played RB as well as WR... makes a nice punt returner combo.

Plus with a first name like Demetric we should draft him just for our resident Spaniard...

gumby73

@tour2ma said:

The Missou Safety, Gillispie, and UK LB, Davis, look interesting...<<<true this..just watched Gillispie in 2 full games.. Watched 2 of Davis's games after he jumped up on Daniel Jeremiah's 2.0 board..

Slot duo, Rodgers and Felton, look dangerous, but "pressable"... at least in Rodgers' case.

Felton looks to have the type of quick-twitch I've been looking for. Like that he's played RB as well as WR... makes a nice punt returner combo.

Plus with a first name like Demetric we should draft him just for our resident Spaniard...

Your Texas freeze dumping, just missed us by a Virginia state boarder line..Thank You! .. hope ya done well

You live in Texas.. What do you know about 2 mid/late Texas players?

North Texas St-WR- Jaelon Darden? his highlight reels look smooth & awesome''? but full games to view is few..any low comp issues?..Are Toney comparisons legit?

Houston- LB-Grant Stuard? "I maybe to small to play NFL LB? but I'm a special teams god" he's a fun spark plug guy to watch? Did Houston take him off on 3rd down cause he can't cover?

gumby73

@gumby73 said:

No Combine.. Pro Days start early March... But wait...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-nfl-executives-to-oversee-unofficial-scouting-combine-for-2021-nfl-draft-prospects-per-report/

I've kept my eyes on a few days of these.. The debate is "official* 40 times clocking".. Regardless... This is still fast for a Browns scouted twice WR last season... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/27/rashod-bateman-runs-a-sub-4-4-40-yard-dash-at-exos-combine/?partner=Yahoo

Former WR Brandon Marshall's, 'House of Athletes' combine runs from 3-5-21 thru 3-7-21.. It can be streamed at FoxSports.com .. Glenn Cook is the Browns VP of player personal. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/03/03/nfl-combine-2021-scratched-how-evaluate-draft-prospects/6891217002/

check reddit or the twitter verse for most the updates.. 1st Pro day, is set in Kansas starting this Friday

Tour2ma

@gumby73 said:

Your Texas freeze dumping, just missed us by a Virginia state boarder line..Thank You! .. hope ya done well

You live in Texas.. What do you know about 2 mid/late Texas players?

North Texas St-WR- Jaelon Darden? his highlight reels look smooth & awesome''? but full games to view is few..any low comp issues?..Are Toney comparisons legit?

Houston- LB-Grant Stuard? "I maybe to small to play NFL LB? but I'm a special teams god" he's a fun spark plug guy to watch? Did Houston take him off on 3rd down cause he can't cover?

Did just fine here... not in the "Texas Grid"... never lost power. Did have one water line to outdoor faucet freeze, but caught it in time and and the 3rd bucket of warm/hot water thawed it. A neighbor here and in-laws in Houston area were not so lucky.

Don't know Darden, but saw Stuard a couple times this year. He's a high-motor/ effort kid. Give him a straight line to a target with the ball and he'll rack it. Put him in space and his lack of agility shows. In run D he does show a decent football IQ. He'd be a nice UDFA signing/ PS player, but I can't see drafting him

@gumby73 said:

The debate is "official* 40 times clocking"

Always the case with hand-times when the stopwatch is in someone else's hand...

Unsympathetic

The Indiana guy who picked Justin Fields 2x and caused a lot of havoc in that game is Jamar Johnson who got a combine invite.. Although the nfl.com rating suggests he'll be taken day2, when he's inevitably still around in round5 he seems worth a shot. He's not on WalterFootball's list of prospects.. He's not nobody, he's 2020 first team all-big-10

[When Kollmann in that video says "Who is #22 on indiana, I've gotta look at him" .. that's this guy]

tiamat63

The Machine Shop will be open around 1pm EST to finish up the 2nd half of Patrick Jones v Lou. Might skip forward at that point to a couple games later in the 2020 season to look for signs of improvement.

After that? Dealers choice. We could watch Zaven Collins, that kid out of TCU (Moerhig? - spell check) I think there were a couple requests from locals, just can't recall.

@texasag1969 didn't you want Basham (another spell check) from the U?

@mld-woody I believe you wanted Kwity?

Either way, I have a Sunday to myself. Going to relax and watch some film. If you don't have the discord info, check back in the thread or feel free to PM. Not sure what album we'll be listening to yet.

MLD Woody

@tiamat63 said:

The Machine Shop will be open around 1pm EST to finish up the 2nd half of Patrick Jones v Lou. Might skip forward at that point to a couple games later in the 2020 season to look for signs of improvement.

After that? Dealers choice. We could watch Zaven Collins, that kid out of TCU (Moerhig? - spell check) I think there were a couple requests from locals, just can't recall.

@texasag1969 didn't you want Basham (another spell check) from the U?

@mld-woody I believe you wanted Kwity?

Either way, I have a Sunday to myself. Going to relax and watch some film. If you don't have the discord info, check back in the thread or feel free to PM. Not sure what album we'll be listening to yet.

Sure, Kwity would be interesting. The biggest boost to his stock was going to be the combine unfortunately.

Looks like he'll be gone by the time we pick, even though we could use another DE.

Feel free to pick whoever you want. I just like reading the michigan scouting reports.

tiamat63

Patrick Jones v LOU 2020

@ 0:11 - Keep outside shoulder free and eyes up with inital job to get outside of that stretch guard. Extends arms when generating contact, eyes working, uses contact momentum to get off block and works to the QB.

@ 1:05 - Still feeling like he comes out of his stance higher than what he should be. Initiates contact with arms, lower pad level then chest and shoulder contact.
Leg drive acceptable but still needs to work on remaining lower, great upper body strength and walks the tackle back to the QB trying to free inside shoulder leverage.
OT play is average, not a natural waist bender and overset to the edge. Good on Jonesy for capitalizing.

@ 1:25 - LT and LG on an X (cross) block. Nothing really special here, plays his assignment right getting outside of and holding a hard edge.
X block is when a tackle and guard (usually weakside) exchange assignment. So you'll have a tackle move for a downblock while the guard peels and looks for the edge.
Really just meant to give your tackles a better blocking angle and first step to take on bigger assignments.

@ 1:45 - I know I can't be the only one who see's his first few steps. I swear, I need a speed coach in here to better articulate what I'm seeing and trying to say.
But there is a good reason Patrick has a nice first step but doesn't have that elite speed to the edge.

@ 2:17 - Stance, to first step to that initial dominant lead foot push. This rep was a piss-poor example of bending around and turning the edge. I don't think PJ is a bad athlete and I'm sure his pro day numbers will look good. But I can't help and feel his technique is costing him his burst that actually would allow him to really attack, dip/sink and bend. Instead of his hips sinking and his body turning to minimize contact, Patrick really just lowers his shoulders and his head (eyes low, can't see target) into the tackle, hands behind him like he's some kind of sprinter, and his upper body weight too far out in front of his base. Therefore beyond being compact and in control.

@ 2:47 - Locked up, slide to his side. But does a good job keeping eyes on the QB, shedding the tackle and reading scramble drill at least.

@ 3:12 - Protection bust on a slant. Guard is expecting the center to pick up Jones, free path to the QB.

@ 3:35 - The 3-3 looks like Pitt uses on passing downs. They do a good job of slanting and opening rush lanes for their designated pass rushers.
The movement from the 2pt rushers has a decent effect confusing blocking assignments pre-snap. Here with the nose playing a bit of a shade and the LB on the Noses' hip,
The center and the guard have to account for them if they're both attacking. Free's up Jonesy on the RT. Rt oversets just a couple steps and again leans into the contact with his eyes down. Jonesy see's this similar tech (or at least the coaches did and were probably in his ear about it on the sides) show's that spin move, which is by no means polished, but at least It's a glimpse into a younger player working to have a counter move. Want to see what a spin-move should look like? Youtube Dwight Freeney. Best spin move I've ever seen IMHO.The hip sink needs improvement. What PJ DOES do great here with the spin is the club with the right hand, which naturally turns your shoulders and torso outside, then uses the left arm for momentum/push off and further balance. I like seeing the machinery, but the tools themselves need refined. Hey, that's better than a lot of these kids that don't even display this much at least. QB does a decent job being an athlete, trying to get out of the rush. Jones never gives up and finishes off the pressure after missing the sack at first.

Side note - #17 has flashed a few times over the last game and 1/2.

@ 3:52 - Good example of his raw strength, playing as the "closed" end here. Toss in the guard not playing technically sound, opening his shoulders and getting slapped around. Arms and contact working to keep the guard to his inside shoulder. Eyes up pushing upfield into the gap, shows up out of control but the length he has allows him to disrupt ANY running lane the RB had on the IZ to that call. Rest of the defense rallies to the ball. Ideally that's a play I need to see you Make when you win like that so clearly off snap. But at the moment I'll settle for the fact I see a ton of developmental potential.

@ 4:23 - I can't tell if this is a really shitty short-set by the OT, which given what I've seen so far wouldn't surprise me. Or if this is a technique by design from the LOU coaching staff to take advantage of PJ's willingness to fly up field at times and taking himself out of plays. Either way, he doesn't go for it and does a decent job stacking on and rolling around the tackle while trying to keep the ball carrier in reach to disengage.

@ 4:39 - #17 - getting ahead of a sift block and generating pressure. This was the play LOU housed from earlier in the game, minus the fact they didn't bring the upback through the hole to the zone side. They tried to use him to throw this sift at the WDE.

@ 5:10 - Leaving your feet is exactly how you get fucked up. I have zero idea what this was trying to be.

@ 5:47 - Good "feel" with the release of the lineman trying to work this screen. Get into the throwing lane and make life hell on the QB trying to float it high to the perimeter.

Opinion really hasn't changed after 2 full games. Physically a wonderfully gifted player but limited, if not outright handicapped, by his lack of polish. Once again saw a couple tools here or there, I'm sure some coach(es) somewhere will always believe they can take those one or two things and turn them into an arsenal. And they may be very right about that. But there are many worse prospect, physically gifted, that you could have to work with to mold into a decent NFL player. Still rather muddle on a greater assessment that will be more clear with the later season watches. As of the LOU game? I'm not putting a 1st round pick into this kid if I'm Barry. Not because I don't believe he could be a contributor, but because if the Browns want to open and keep open a Superbowl window for the next 3-5, then I need immediate players/starters with my 1st round picks. Right now Jones is a rotational player while you work with him to grow a more consistent skill set and playing style.

TexasAg1969

@tiamat63 said:

The Machine Shop will be open around 1pm EST to finish up the 2nd half of Patrick Jones v Lou. Might skip forward at that point to a couple games later in the 2020 season to look for signs of improvement.

After that? Dealers choice. We could watch Zaven Collins, that kid out of TCU (Moerhig? - spell check) I think there were a couple requests from locals, just can't recall.

@texasag1969 didn't you want Basham (another spell check) from the U?

@mld-woody I believe you wanted Kwity?

Either way, I have a Sunday to myself. Going to relax and watch some film. If you don't have the discord info, check back in the thread or feel free to PM. Not sure what album we'll be listening to yet.

Dutch was asking for Basham. I have no memory of pre-winterization of Texas and securing COVID vaccines (just completed the 2nd on Wed.) simultaneously. ?

@dutch-oven said:

I'm hoping for a Carlos Basham, Jr. breakdown....