The Last Fumble Was NOT a Fumble... Upon Further Review...
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Something about the Casper Rule?
I don't know much. I'm fuckin drunk and sick and tired of NFL refs. 1988 Wildcard game vs Houston, 1986 Karlis was wide left, etc.
Beat the dreaded Steelers, somehow, some way. Exorcise the demons. Won't be easy of course.
I hate the "woe is me" stuff but today I felt it & hated it. Reality is if you're down 5 or 6 starters, you're most likely doomed. Fuuuuuuuu
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Don't fumble the ball on a QB sneak and you don't have to blame anyone else..... don't even get me started about the COVID issue or the defense.
The Browns control their own destiny, and if they can't beat a Steeler team that has zero to play for and will not field their strongest team, then they don't deserve to get to the dance.
The playoffs start one week early for us.... who says there is no good news anymore?
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Don't fumble the ball on a QB sneak and you don't have to blame anyone else..... don't even get me started about the COVID issue or the defense.
The Browns control their own destiny, and if they can't beat a Steeler team that has zero to play for and will not field their strongest team, then they don't deserve to get to the dance.
The playoffs start one week early for us.... who says there is no good news anymore?
Don't fumble the ball on a QB sneak and you don't have to blame anyone else..... don't even get me started about the COVID issue or the defense.
The Browns control their own destiny, and if they can't beat a Steeler team that has zero to play for and will not field their strongest team, then they don't deserve to get to the dance.
The playoffs start one week early for us.... who says there is no good news anymore?
I;'m more mad the Stefanski didnt go up tempo from the start...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
What else is it supposed to be?
A handoff? He's past the line of scrimmage
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What else is it supposed to be?
A handoff? He's past the line of scrimmage
Doesn't look past the LOS to me...
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Don't fumble the ball on a QB sneak and you don't have to blame anyone else..... don't even get me started about the COVID issue or the defense.
The Browns control their own destiny, and if they can't beat a Steeler team that has zero to play for and will not field their strongest team, then they don't deserve to get to the dance.
The playoffs start one week early for us.... who says there is no good news anymore?
I;'m more mad the Stefanski didnt go up tempo from the start...
I;'m more mad the Stefanski didnt go up tempo from the start...
Tempo early with practice squad receivers and 40% of your Oline missing is... a very questionable idea.
KS didn't start calling it until it was becoming a glaring necessity.
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Tempo early with practice squad receivers and 40% of your Oline missing is... a very questionable idea.
KS didn't start calling it until it was becoming a glaring necessity.
He waited too long
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What else is it supposed to be?
A handoff? He's past the line of scrimmage
I don't believe he was past the line of scrimmage because if he were and the ball was returned to the spot of the fumble then he got the first down. However even if he were past the line options plays are often pitched back to the rb after the qb has crossed the line. I don't know whether it was correctly ruled a fumble or not but being past the line doesn't affect it since the ball traveled backwards.
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That there came out off his elbow then his butt and then was taken by Hunt in the air. That there is called a fumble by the worst sneaker in the NFL QB ranks. Bring Hunt in as the QB sneaker and he gets it 99% of the time just like NO does with #7.
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It seems to me that Baker may have weak hands. More than a few times he has fumbled on QB sneaks.
Should have just handed it off there.
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That there came out off his elbow then his butt and then was taken by Hunt in the air. That there is called a fumble by the worst sneaker in the NFL QB ranks. Bring Hunt in as the QB sneaker and he gets it 99% of the time just like NO does with #7.
That there came out off his elbow then his butt and then was taken by Hunt in the air. That there is called a fumble by the worst sneaker in the NFL QB ranks. Bring Hunt in as the QB sneaker and he gets it 99% of the time just like NO does with #7.
yep cause it's not like they do not know whats coming
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It seems to me that Baker may have weak hands. More than a few times he has fumbled on QB sneaks.
Should have just handed it off there.
It seems to me that Baker may have weak hands. More than a few times he has fumbled on QB sneaks.
Should have just handed it off there.
Almost always caused by not carrying the ball with both hands like every other QB in the league does on a sneak. How this has not been trained out of him is beyond me.
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The LOS question above is a good one, but I can't find any rule rule that says a handoff has to be behind the LOS. My guess is that as with a lateral s long as the handoff is not forward, then it is legal. But I see something else anyway...
The issue I see is that Hunt's knee appears to be on the ground as he gains control of "the handoff" and he's in contact with the DE that caused the fumble. That's Hunt's Nike at the bottom of the first screenshot just left of center. While you cannot see his knee down from that angle the second screenshot clearly shows that his knee is on the ground.
In other words... Hunt was down by conduct short of the 1st down.
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The LOS question above is a good one, but I can't find any rule rule that says a handoff has to be behind the LOS. My guess is that as with a lateral s long as the handoff is not forward, then it is legal. But I see something else anyway...
The issue I see is that Hunt's knee appears to be on the ground as he gains control of "the handoff" and he's in contact with the DE that caused the fumble. That's Hunt's Nike at the bottom of the first screenshot just left of center. While you cannot see his knee down from that angle the second screenshot clearly shows that his knee is on the ground.
In other words... Hunt was down by conduct short of the 1st down.
The LOS question above is a good one, but I can't find any rule rule that says a handoff has to be behind the LOS. My guess is that as with a lateral s long as the handoff is not forward, then it is legal. But I see something else anyway...
The issue I see is that Hunt's knee appears to be on the ground as he gains control of "the handoff" and he's in contact with the DE that caused the fumble. That's Hunt's Nike at the bottom of the first screenshot just left of center. While you cannot see his knee down from that angle the second screenshot clearly shows that his knee is on the ground.
In other words... Hunt was down by conduct short of the 1st down.
None of this can be true.
The Browns just have to be getting screwed by the NFL because they are still mad that Browns fans made them give them a team and over the plastic bottles we threw at the refs almost 20 years ago and for Orlando Brown pushing Jeff Tripplette down and ITS A BIG CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CITY OF CLEVELAND, THE BROWNS AND POSSIBLY EVEN THE CARTOON CHARACTER CLEVELAND BROWN FROM FAMILY GUY!
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But this does beg the question:
What constitutes a fumble? If a runner loses the ball and another offensive player behind him catches the ball mid-air how is that different than a pitch back? Because it didn't look good? Either way, Player 1 is ahead of Player 2, and without the ball touching the ground the ball goes from Player 1 to Player 2. And LOS shouldn't matter. How many option plays happened when the QB goes around end and then pitches to his trailing back when he's already past the LOS?
Seems to me that for it to be considered a fumble, that another player could not advance (due to the Raiders Holy Roller Game) the ball would have to hit the ground. No one bounce passes a football to a fellow offensive player on purpose.
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