WE NEED A RUNNING BACK
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I do understand, but right now, we are trying all sorts of combination's. I don't think there is any way to do what you want.
Waiting 1 more week isn't going to change much.
We will begin to settle some camp battles this week and next, then the team can get down to working the units on a regular basis through the remainder of camp and the 2 preseason games.
At this point, it is more about drilling the basis of the offense, and that doesn't matter who you are playing with. It's more about lining up properly and doing what you are supposed to do.
As long as that is progressing, we are as far along as we can be. Getting the timing down isn't that hard.
I guess bottom line is doing what you want at this point isn't IMO going to equate to more wins this season.
Right now it is pretty important for the staff to get a feel for what they have, and the only way to do that is to mix it up a bit.
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We are indeed hurting at the RB position and we are hurting just as bad if not worse for run blocking muscle up front steiny sucks and the right side wont hold up for long...both of our lines lack any umph we just flat look and are weak in the trenches..
We are indeed hurting at the RB position and we are hurting just as bad if not worse for run blocking muscle up front steiny sucks and the right side wont hold up for long...both of our lines lack any umph we just flat look and are weak in the trenches..
So if CLE can't run block, what good does another RB do? There still won't be holes to run through. Changing RBs doesn't make wholes suddenly open.
Lewis may or may not have something left in his tank. I didn't see anything against GB that made me question what Lewis has left. What I saw was an Oline that didn't open any running lanes. Most times while there was no hole or crease to run through, Lewis still managed to fight for a few yards instead of taking a loss like it should have been.
I hear the comments of happy feet for Lewis, but what exactly do you expect him to do when there are zero holes opened up by the OL to run through? Stand still and wait?
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Stop acting like this is new news.
Jamal was done 3 years ago in Baltimore.
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We are indeed hurting at the RB position and we are hurting just as bad if not worse for run blocking muscle up front steiny sucks and the right side wont hold up for long...both of our lines lack any umph we just flat look and are weak in the trenches..
So if CLE can't run block, what good does another RB do? There still won't be holes to run through. Changing RBs doesn't make wholes suddenly open.
Lewis may or may not have something left in his tank. I didn't see anything against GB that made me question what Lewis has left. What I saw was an Oline that didn't open any running lanes. Most times while there was no hole or crease to run through, Lewis still managed to fight for a few yards instead of taking a loss like it should have been.
I hear the comments of happy feet for Lewis, but what exactly do you expect him to do when there are zero holes opened up by the OL to run through? Stand still and wait?
Masters said:
Most times while there was no hole or crease to run through, Lewis still managed to fight for a few yards instead of taking a loss like it should have been.Bingo. And he's done that since he's been in Cleveland. There is always a roster spot for a back that can do that.
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Masters said:
Most times while there was no hole or crease to run through, Lewis still managed to fight for a few yards instead of taking a loss like it should have been.Bingo. And he's done that since he's been in Cleveland. There is always a roster spot for a back that can do that.
Bingo. And he's done that since he's been in Cleveland. There is always a roster spot for a back that can do that.
Lewis is the one guy we shouldn't be tearing apart, if more of our players emulated his conditioning and work ethics we'd be that much closer to succeeding.
You don't last in the NFL running into people head on like a truck w/ no steering.
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magic bullets
I'm a huge user of mixed metaphors.
Loved this one.
Magic beans or silver bullets? You decide.
(No offensive Restin, just struck me as funny.)
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magic bullets
I'm a huge user of mixed metaphors.
Loved this one.
Magic beans or silver bullets? You decide.
(No offensive Restin, just struck me as funny.)
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magic bullets
I'm a huge user of mixed metaphors.
Loved this one.
Magic beans or silver bullets? You decide.
(No offensive Restin, just struck me as funny.)
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Did you see Ahmad Bradshaw last night in the Giants game? Damn, he looks better than anything we have. The Giants are loaded at RB, we need start our search there.
Bradshaw looks like Jamal Lewis back in his prime.
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From what I saw, it has me saying did you see the holes the Giants offensive line was opening for their backs last night? You could put any back in the NFL, inlcuding the Browns RB and they'd look like that. The Browns need their oline to play like that.
Masters said:
From what I saw, it has me saying did you see the holes the Giants offensive line was opening for their backs last night? You could put any back in the NFL, inlcuding the Browns RB and they'd look like that. The Browns need their oline to play like that.Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
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Masters said:
From what I saw, it has me saying did you see the holes the Giants offensive line was opening for their backs last night? You could put any back in the NFL, inlcuding the Browns RB and they'd look like that. The Browns need their oline to play like that.Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
Right, and again, I've never seen JL go down at the 1st contact. Meaning, getting shoulder bumped by a DB or LB and falling over, he's certainly been tackled by a guy who's made the contact. If he put's his shoulder into someone, he isn't going backwards (and hasn't).
Can we give up on the notion that every RB has to be LT or AP? Who's the last "Magic" back before Tomlinson? Emmit Smith? Bo Jackson? Sweetness? Those are the 3 that stand out in my mind. 1 per era, just about.
Make your line open holes (or just at least push the LOS), and utilize the backs for their talents: Harrison outside the tackles, Lewis inside & short yardage. Outside of AP & LT, are there any single back systems that are successful?
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Zombo said:
Our running back position scares the hell out of me like no other.Scares the hell out of me.
What a risk Mankock took by not bringing in somebody to challenge for the starter's role.
They really are putting a lot of faith in Lewis at an age where the odds are stacked against him.
30 year old running backs with lots of tread and declining ypc are not a good stock for your portfolio.
And Harrison, while impressive in his spotty action last year, is really just another guy who has never started in the NFL. Again, I like him ... but odds not good he breaks through like a Willie Parker et al.
And the 6th rounder ... worst odds of all.
I'm not saying one of these guys won't have a great season ... but we are really not stocking up the position where so many other teams have two explosive guys that can play every down and produce.
I don't know who is out there at this point ... Edge James maybe if Lewis were to get injured ... otherwise why have two old guys?
But I have a lot more faith that the guy that comes out of the QB derby is capable of a big year than I am of the guy that emerges as our top back.
It's the one position that Mankock seemed to handle in "rebuilding year" mode and decided to just try getting by with what we've got instead of big improvements ... like they'll take care of RB next year or something.
If you can't run in this division you are toast. I hope my gut is wrong about this ... but I see our run game as a huge achilles this year.
Zombo
What part about the Browns do you like? Or are you having a bad day/week.
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Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
Right, and again, I've never seen JL go down at the 1st contact. Meaning, getting shoulder bumped by a DB or LB and falling over, he's certainly been tackled by a guy who's made the contact. If he put's his shoulder into someone, he isn't going backwards (and hasn't).
Can we give up on the notion that every RB has to be LT or AP? Who's the last "Magic" back before Tomlinson? Emmit Smith? Bo Jackson? Sweetness? Those are the 3 that stand out in my mind. 1 per era, just about.
Make your line open holes (or just at least push the LOS), and utilize the backs for their talents: Harrison outside the tackles, Lewis inside & short yardage. Outside of AP & LT, are there any single back systems that are successful?
Make your line open holes (or just at least push the LOS), and utilize the backs for their talents: Harrison outside the tackles, Lewis inside & short yardage. Outside of AP & LT, are there any single back systems that are successful?
That sounds great Legacy, but you also need a back that can hit a hole and frankly Lewis seems to have lost that explosiveness and he dances in the hole before even being touched. Harrison runs sideways, he won't explode through a hole, he will lean toward the outside looking to run to daylight and he gets tripped up if there isn't a clean open field to run to.
Yes, Bradshaw had holes last night, but he also exploded through them making the task look easy as the D-Line was always in his rear view mirror, then he shook off DB's like they were boys.
Lewis also can't change direction like he use to, he can't shoot for one gap, and glide through another on a whim anymore. Harrison hasn't ever proven he can even run between tackles. I'm hoping to hell that Davis steps up, he's as shifty as anything we have, but will probably have durability concerns, and that dreaded rookie lapse in picking up the blitz.
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Masters said:
From what I saw, it has me saying did you see the holes the Giants offensive line was opening for their backs last night? You could put any back in the NFL, inlcuding the Browns RB and they'd look like that. The Browns need their oline to play like that.Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
Valid point, but the guy shook off some would-be tacklers like they were rag dolls. He ran hard and looked hungry.
Agreed.
But if you look closely at CLE game against GB, Lewis shook off tacklers as well. But it is a lot easier to shake off a single guy in the open field than in a mass crowd of DL and LBs, along with your own OL.
No doubt the G-men have some nasty backs running and the run hard/hungry. But you usually see that when a OL is as dominant as the G-mens is. RB's have a great appreciation for the work their OL does for them, and the best way they can reward them is by running that way.
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Donald Brown from UCONN would look real nice in Orange and Brown right now.
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Donald Brown from UCONN would look real nice in Orange and Brown right now.
Donald Brown from UCONN would look real nice in Orange and Brown right now.
For what it's worth - via twitter - "There is a new RB #34 Jennings"
From @DawgScooper
-jj
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Make your line open holes (or just at least push the LOS), and utilize the backs for their talents: Harrison outside the tackles, Lewis inside & short yardage. Outside of AP & LT, are there any single back systems that are successful?
That sounds great Legacy, but you also need a back that can hit a hole and frankly Lewis seems to have lost that explosiveness and he dances in the hole before even being touched. Harrison runs sideways, he won't explode through a hole, he will lean toward the outside looking to run to daylight and he gets tripped up if there isn't a clean open field to run to.
Yes, Bradshaw had holes last night, but he also exploded through them making the task look easy as the D-Line was always in his rear view mirror, then he shook off DB's like they were boys.
Lewis also can't change direction like he use to, he can't shoot for one gap, and glide through another on a whim anymore. Harrison hasn't ever proven he can even run between tackles. I'm hoping to hell that Davis steps up, he's as shifty as anything we have, but will probably have durability concerns, and that dreaded rookie lapse in picking up the blitz.
That sounds great Legacy, but you also need a back that can hit a hole and frankly Lewis seems to have lost that explosiveness and he dances in the hole before even being touched. Harrison runs sideways, he won't explode through a hole, he will lean toward the outside looking to run to daylight and he gets tripped up if there isn't a clean open field to run to.
Yes, Bradshaw had holes last night, but he also exploded through them making the task look easy as the D-Line was always in his rear view mirror, then he shook off DB's like they were boys.
Lewis also can't change direction like he use to, he can't shoot for one gap, and glide through another on a whim anymore. Harrison hasn't ever proven he can even run between tackles. I'm hoping to hell that Davis steps up, he's as shifty as anything we have, but will probably have durability concerns, and that dreaded rookie lapse in picking up the blitz.
Where have these holes been for Lewis to hit with an explosivenes really been. The last time I saw him get those holes some what regularly was back in 2007. So it's real hard for me to buy into Lewis has lost that explosion to the hole when I ain't seen a hole for him to explode into. He doesn't dance in the hole, he standing behind his OL looking for a crack somehwere, because there was never any hole.
Harrison has mostly been sent to the outside and again no hole is opening for him. Thus he keeps stretching it sideways trying to get to the edge. He hasn't proven he can run between the tackles in the NFL. Then again, he hasn't been given an opportunity to do it either.
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Our Oline is capable enough of opening holes as long as we have an explosive back who can hit them. Sorry guys but those who think the Oline is the problem are just masking the fact that we have a horrid RB core. Has it been so long that we've forgotten JL's piss poor performance from last season? For instance look at both SB teams last year, both had awful Olines but made it there and when the Cards needed to run the ball in the playoffs they did. As bad as the Cards line was they still had strong backs in Hightower and James that hit the hole blazing.
Another team who ran the shit out of the ball last year with an average oline but had very good success was the Bears. Forte they're rookie RB was in the top 5 in attempts and YPC! The Bears dont have any stud probowl linemen, but they get it done and so can this line! Mankok made a huge mistake not drafting McCoy the guy is going to be a stud in Philly...
I'd take McCoy over Momas or Robo in a heartbeat!
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Donald Brown from UCONN would look real nice in Orange and Brown right now.
For what it's worth - via twitter - "There is a new RB #34 Jennings"
From @DawgScooper
-jj
For what it's worth - via twitter - "There is a new RB #34 Jennings"
From @DawgScooper
-jj
That wouldnt be the jennings out of Liberty would it?
Just saw that Rashad Jennings was draftedd in the 7th with the Jags and is still on their roster so it cant be him. To bad that guy is a bruiser..
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