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  • NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
    #79

    Zombo said:

    Blame the Netherlands. The Dutch makes the call, this American just tallies them up.

    Zombo

    Plus he has Italian heritage! He was born to become a Spaniard's nightmare. 

  • Zombo said:

    You won the "color between the lines" award .... You got none right, but you got none wrong.

    Zombo

    I got one kind of right, and I was the closest in the -10 point differential... But I don't expect justice from this Board, such is the life of a Spaniard in an American forum... sigh 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #80

    @nero said:

    I got one kind of right, and I was the closest in the -10 point differential... But I don't expect justice from this Board, such is the life of a Spaniard in an American forum... sigh 

    Remember the Maine!!

    ?

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #81

    12. Gipper 13

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    I mainly erred by being too optimistic about the performance of the Browns offense!  But they had an outstanding offensive season. 

  • 12. Gipper 13

    13 Bob 806 12

    I mainly erred by being too optimistic about the performance of the Browns offense!  But they had an outstanding offensive season. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
    #82

    @the-gipper said:

    But they had an outstanding offensive season. 

    While in the words of our fabulous host.... Tavern Dutch Oven... "This defense is Hot Garbage" 

  • Zombo said:

    Blame the Netherlands. The Dutch makes the call, this American just tallies them up.

    Zombo

    Plus he has Italian heritage! He was born to become a Spaniard's nightmare. 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #83

    @nero said:

    Plus he has Italian heritage! He was born to become a Spaniard's nightmare. 

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

  • @nero said:

    Plus he has Italian heritage! He was born to become a Spaniard's nightmare. 

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #84

    @tour2ma said:

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    Columbus may not even have been from Italy.  A theory says he was actually Catalonian. 

  • @nero said:

    Plus he has Italian heritage! He was born to become a Spaniard's nightmare. 

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
    #85

    @tour2ma said:

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    Any European can tell you that you must hate your neighbours, because most likely you have fought against them. Having said that, Spain has a great relationship with Portugal and we are very similar to Italy, so there are no hard feelings.

    I'd say we like less France but historically England and the Netherlands have given us the most reasons to hate them, such as the Black Legend, Gibraltar, corsaries... 

    Anyway, as a country which has a lot of tourism, we're used to be more cheerful and welcoming than those northern countries from Europe. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Columbus may not even have been from Italy.  A theory says he was actually Catalonian. 

    That's a theory that comes from Catalonian nationalists, I believe. Columbus was genoese, but then again Italy didn't exist till XIX.

    As fellow 'American Dream' lovers, though... The entire enterprise was founded by the Spanish Crown and the sailors and ships were Spanish. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    Any European can tell you that you must hate your neighbours, because most likely you have fought against them. Having said that, Spain has a great relationship with Portugal and we are very similar to Italy, so there are no hard feelings.

    I'd say we like less France but historically England and the Netherlands have given us the most reasons to hate them, such as the Black Legend, Gibraltar, corsaries... 

    Anyway, as a country which has a lot of tourism, we're used to be more cheerful and welcoming than those northern countries from Europe. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Columbus may not even have been from Italy.  A theory says he was actually Catalonian. 

    That's a theory that comes from Catalonian nationalists, I believe. Columbus was genoese, but then again Italy didn't exist till XIX.

    As fellow 'American Dream' lovers, though... The entire enterprise was founded by the Spanish Crown and the sailors and ships were Spanish. 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #86

    @nero said:

    I'd say we like less France but historically England and the Netherlands have given us the most reasons to hate them, such as the Black Legend, Gibraltar, corsaries...

    Not to mention what they did to the Spanish Armada which I am almost certain is where my Spanish DNA came from since my lineage is almost all from England. Those Spanish devils that survived apparently were greatly rewarded by English lassies. ??

    @nero said:

    Anyway, as a country which has a lot of tourism, we're used to be more cheerful and welcoming than those northern countries from Europe.

    Agree with the exception of driving in the countryside of France where people were also most welcoming to los Americanos extranjeros. Especially true in Normandy and Bordeaux regions.

  • @nero said:

    I'd say we like less France but historically England and the Netherlands have given us the most reasons to hate them, such as the Black Legend, Gibraltar, corsaries...

    Not to mention what they did to the Spanish Armada which I am almost certain is where my Spanish DNA came from since my lineage is almost all from England. Those Spanish devils that survived apparently were greatly rewarded by English lassies. ??

    @nero said:

    Anyway, as a country which has a lot of tourism, we're used to be more cheerful and welcoming than those northern countries from Europe.

    Agree with the exception of driving in the countryside of France where people were also most welcoming to los Americanos extranjeros. Especially true in Normandy and Bordeaux regions.

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
    #87

    @texasag1969 said:

    Not to mention what they did to the Spanish Armada which I am almost certain is where my Spanish DNA came from since my lineage is almost all from England. Those Spanish devils that survived apparently were greatly rewarded by English lassies. ??

    Agree with the exception of driving in the countryside of France where people were also most welcoming to los Americanos extranjeros. Especially true in Normandy and Bordeaux regions.

    Spanish Armada was mostly defeated by the weather conditions, which made many ships wreck. It was a shit show from the get go, though. 

    Tourist places will always be tourist places, and they thrive on being welcoming. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #88

    Fuck Christopher Columbus, regardless of his nationality. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Is that an ongoing Columbus thing?

    Any European can tell you that you must hate your neighbours, because most likely you have fought against them. Having said that, Spain has a great relationship with Portugal and we are very similar to Italy, so there are no hard feelings.

    I'd say we like less France but historically England and the Netherlands have given us the most reasons to hate them, such as the Black Legend, Gibraltar, corsaries... 

    Anyway, as a country which has a lot of tourism, we're used to be more cheerful and welcoming than those northern countries from Europe. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Columbus may not even have been from Italy.  A theory says he was actually Catalonian. 

    That's a theory that comes from Catalonian nationalists, I believe. Columbus was genoese, but then again Italy didn't exist till XIX.

    As fellow 'American Dream' lovers, though... The entire enterprise was founded by the Spanish Crown and the sailors and ships were Spanish. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #89

    @nero said:

    That's a theory that comes from Catalonian nationalists, I believe. Columbus was genoese, but then again Italy didn't exist till XIX.

    As fellow 'American Dream' lovers, though... The entire enterprise was founded by the Spanish Crown and the sailors and ships were Spanish. 

    Yes, that of course is true.  I just know that there have been some questioning of Columbus's  origins. 

    The thing is,  over here, Columbus Day is treated much like  an unofficial  "Italian-American" Day"  kind of like St. Patrick's Day for the Irish.   It would burst a lot of bubbles if it were confirmed that Columbus was not from (what is now)  Italy. 

  • Fuck Christopher Columbus, regardless of his nationality. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #90

    @dutch-oven said:

    Fuck Christopher Columbus, regardless of his nationality. 

    If it had not been Columbus it would have been some other person/navigator  that would have done the same thing maybe 3- 5 years later.  So, giving Columbus shit is misplaced. In fact, it was some other navigator just a few years later that gave us the name "America".   So, blame Vespucci instead.