Skip to content
The Browns Board
Theme
  • System
  • Light
  • Dark
  • Login
  • Register
  • Forums
  • Recent
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Donate
  1. Home
  2. The Browns Board
  3. Browns Draft Needs

Browns Draft Needs

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved The Browns Board
77 Posts 14 Posters 2.3k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
    • 57k Posts
    • 4k Reputation
    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Article from wkyc.com:

    5. Safety

    In theory, the Browns already know who their starting safeties will be in 2021. After being acquired in a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars last offseason, Ronnie Harrison should return for his second season in Cleveland, while 2020 second-round pick Grant Delpit will be set to make his NFL debut after missing his rookie campaign with a torn Achilles.

    But between Harrison entering the final season of his rookie contract and the nature of Delpit's injury, it would make sense for the Browns to continue to invest in the safety position. With Karl Joseph and Andrew Sendejo set to hit free agency, Cleveland also currently lacks depth at a spot that saw uneven production in 2020.

    4. Linebacker

    Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception. Last offseason, Cleveland's linebacker acquisitions included a third-round pick (Jacob Phillips) and a pair of one-year contracts given to veterans B.J. Goodson and Malcolm Smith.

    Still, that doesn't make linebacker any less of an offseason need for the Browns, especially if they fail to re-sign Goodson, who played well as Cleveland's starting middle linebacker. While it's unlikely the Browns will use a first-round pick or spend significant money at the position, don't be surprised if they use multiple mid-round picks on athletic, high-upside linebackers.

    3. Wide receiver

    Between Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham Jr.'s contracts alone, the Browns already have plenty invested at the wide receiver position. But Beckham's injury-induced absence exploited the unit's overall speed -- or lack thereof -- especially in comparison to teams like the Kansas City Chiefs and Buffalo Bills.

    What Cleveland is willing to spend at the receiver position will likely depend on a combination of Beckham's future with the franchise and whether or not it re-signs Rashard Higgins. But regardless of what happens with either player, the Browns could stand to add some vertical speed to their offense.

    2. Cornerback

    Denzel Ward is a cornerback of the Browns' defense and could be in for a long-term extension as early as this offseason. But Terrance Mitchell and Kevin Johnson are set to hit free agency and Greedy Williams just missed the entirety of the 2020 season with a shoulder injury.

    Even Williams returns in 2021, which Berry said he expects to happen, Cleveland could use both an upgrade opposite Ward, a new starting nickel back and overall depth. With the No. 26 pick in the draft, the Browns could have some intriguing options and it wouldn't be a surprise to see them also be a player at the position in the trade and free agency markets.

    RELATED: 26 prospects the Cleveland Browns could pick with the No. 26 pick in 2021 NFL Draft

    1. Defensive end

    Despite the presence of Myles Garrett, Cleveland ranked just 15th in the NFL in sacks in 2020 with 38. With Olivier Vernon having suffered a torn Achilles' and set to hit free agency, Garrett is the only Browns players set to return in 2020 to have recorded more than five sacks last season.

    As a result, Cleveland finds itself in need of not just a new counterpart for Garrett, but overall depth at one of its most important positions. Look for the Browns take multiple swings on pass-rushers in the draft and explore their options both via trade and free agency in the months ahead.

    1 Reply Last reply
    👍
    Quote Reply
    • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
      • 57k Posts
      • 4k Reputation
      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
      #2

      So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

      Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

      So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

      S OrionO MLD WoodyM ballpeenB 4 Replies Last reply
      Quote Reply
      • The GipperT The Gipper

        So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

        Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

        So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

        SdBacker80 S Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
        • 5k Posts
        • 2k Reputation
        S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
        #3

        @the-gipper said:

        So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

        Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

        So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

        Because the modern trend is they get replaced on third down by another DB. 

        Bigger stronger Mike Backers were more prevalent with traditional schemes but Now you have teams 4 wide on 1st down incorporating short pass games as their running game.  
         

        Regarding the list, DT is a need too. 

        The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
        ❤
        Quote Reply
        • The GipperT The Gipper

          So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

          Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

          So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

          Orion OrionO Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
          • 9k Posts
          • 4k Reputation
          OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @the-gipper said:

          So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

          That's the new wave rippling along the NFL defensively.  Go with more safety's and corners.

          BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
          1 Reply Last reply
          Quote Reply
          • Dutch Oven Dutch OvenD Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
            • 15k Posts
            • 8k Reputation
            Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
            #5

            It's why I can't see them taking LB Zaven Collins of Tulsa, no matter how much sense it makes or how many mocks have us going with him.

            1 Reply Last reply
            👍
            Quote Reply
            • The GipperT The Gipper

              So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

              Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

              So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

              MLD Woody MLD WoodyM Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular First Post Collaborator Posting Machine Reacting Well One Month Later One Year In Week One Done
              • 33k Posts
              • 3k Reputation
              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
              #6

              @the-gipper said:

              So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

              Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

              So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

              Linebackers are the Runningbacks of the defense. Not worth the investment.

              Invest in hybrid DBs, safeties, etc. Base sets have less and less LBs now, not worth the money 

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
              OrionO 1 Reply Last reply
              Quote Reply
              • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                @the-gipper said:

                So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

                Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

                So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

                Linebackers are the Runningbacks of the defense. Not worth the investment.

                Invest in hybrid DBs, safeties, etc. Base sets have less and less LBs now, not worth the money 

                Orion OrionO Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
                • 9k Posts
                • 4k Reputation
                OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
                #7

                @mld-woody said:

                Base sets have less and less LBs now, not worth the money

                ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
                MLD WoodyM tiamat63T 2 Replies Last reply
                Quote Reply
                • OrionO Orion

                  @mld-woody said:

                  Base sets have less and less LBs now, not worth the money

                  ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                  MLD Woody MLD WoodyM Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular First Post Collaborator Posting Machine Reacting Well One Month Later One Year In Week One Done
                  • 33k Posts
                  • 3k Reputation
                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @orion said:

                  ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                  Because the analytics are showing it's more valuable to throw, so offenses pass the ball more, so defenses spend more time defending the pass. 

                  I guess this could keep shifting so far that direction that in 5 years the best offense in the league is running behind a Brandon Jacobs like Runningback that just throws the hybrid DBs off of him haha

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
                  tiamat63T 1 Reply Last reply
                  Quote Reply
                  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                    @orion said:

                    ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                    Because the analytics are showing it's more valuable to throw, so offenses pass the ball more, so defenses spend more time defending the pass. 

                    I guess this could keep shifting so far that direction that in 5 years the best offense in the league is running behind a Brandon Jacobs like Runningback that just throws the hybrid DBs off of him haha

                    tiamat63 tiamat63T Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Week One Done One Month Later One Year In Very Popular
                    • 13k Posts
                    • 5k Reputation
                    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @mld-woody said:

                    Because the analytics are showing it's more valuable to throw, so offenses pass the ball more, so defenses spend more time defending the pass. 

                    I guess this could keep shifting so far that direction that in 5 years the best offense in the league is running behind a Brandon Jacobs like Runningback that just throws the hybrid DBs off of him haha

                    There's a large reason the last decade+  many offenses in college and NFL base their running games on "spread for power".    

                    Brian Westbrook types and perimeter runners gave way to the Marshawn Lynch and Michael Turner backs.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    Quote Reply
                    • OrionO Orion

                      @mld-woody said:

                      Base sets have less and less LBs now, not worth the money

                      ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                      tiamat63 tiamat63T Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Week One Done One Month Later One Year In Very Popular
                      • 13k Posts
                      • 5k Reputation
                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @orion said:

                      ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                      Most teams, since we're speaking of analytics, have a stable of running backs with various skill sets.  Look at the Patriots the last 7-8 years a primary example.   Unless you find a very special runner, front offices don't like paying 10+mil for ball carriers. 

                      And even when you have that special runner, said teams are still rather, Shall I say... leary? - of paying that kind of cash.

                      OrionO 1 Reply Last reply
                      Quote Reply
                      • S SdBacker80

                        @the-gipper said:

                        So,  OK,  explain this comment from above to me:

                        Analytically-driven front offices don't typically invest heavily at linebacker, and the Browns are no exception.

                        So  WTF is that all about? Why would analytics  say  "don't invest in LBs". 

                        Because the modern trend is they get replaced on third down by another DB. 

                        Bigger stronger Mike Backers were more prevalent with traditional schemes but Now you have teams 4 wide on 1st down incorporating short pass games as their running game.  
                         

                        Regarding the list, DT is a need too. 

                        The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                        • 57k Posts
                        • 4k Reputation
                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
                        #11

                        @sdbacker80 said:

                        Because the modern trend is they get replaced on third down by another DB. 

                        Bigger stronger Mike Backers were more prevalent with traditional schemes but Now you have teams 4 wide on 1st down incorporating short pass games as their running game.  
                         

                        Regarding the list, DT is a need too. 

                        OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                        When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                        S MLD WoodyM BarryB 3 Replies Last reply
                        Quote Reply
                        • The GipperT The Gipper

                          @sdbacker80 said:

                          Because the modern trend is they get replaced on third down by another DB. 

                          Bigger stronger Mike Backers were more prevalent with traditional schemes but Now you have teams 4 wide on 1st down incorporating short pass games as their running game.  
                           

                          Regarding the list, DT is a need too. 

                          OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                          When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                          SdBacker80 S Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
                          • 5k Posts
                          • 2k Reputation
                          S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
                          #12

                          @the-gipper said:

                          OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                          When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                          The unit needs attention...that’s why you hear the name Lavante David and lots of Analyst saying LB early.  I’m not saying forget it.

                          For starters, I keep Wilson off the field.  He was awful last year tackling and effort. 

                          Also we were top 10 fewest rushing yards allowed.  Granted we had some awful games. Ravens x2, Raiders game that showed us we aren’t really that good.  And teams were more occupied with taking advantage of our pass defense and injured secondary. 

                          Phillips may show you something in a full healthy season, Taki appears to be a competent rotational piece as are/were Goodson and Smith if they are in the plans still. 

                          I’d love to see a linebacker make a tackle behind the line of scrimmage.  I think Phillips made one at the end of last year.  Maybe sprinkle in some coverage where the QB has to come off of a RB or TE because they are covered by our LB. 

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          👍
                          Quote Reply
                          • The GipperT The Gipper

                            @sdbacker80 said:

                            Because the modern trend is they get replaced on third down by another DB. 

                            Bigger stronger Mike Backers were more prevalent with traditional schemes but Now you have teams 4 wide on 1st down incorporating short pass games as their running game.  
                             

                            Regarding the list, DT is a need too. 

                            OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                            When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                            MLD Woody MLD WoodyM Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular First Post Collaborator Posting Machine Reacting Well One Month Later One Year In Week One Done
                            • 33k Posts
                            • 3k Reputation
                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @the-gipper said:

                            OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                            When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                            How many games we lost because we couldn't stop the run?

                            And in those games, how many were the result of not having "decent" linebackers?

                            And what is the tradeoff in other areas if we were to put in linebackers that were better against the run but worse in other areas?

                            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
                            The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                            Quote Reply
                            • tiamat63T tiamat63

                              @orion said:

                              ...and that's why it's slightly easier to run the ball of late.  The catch is, today's RB's are being asked to be good receivers and route runners, so LB'ers would have to be able to cover them in space...so that makes the LB'er more of a Safety.

                              Most teams, since we're speaking of analytics, have a stable of running backs with various skill sets.  Look at the Patriots the last 7-8 years a primary example.   Unless you find a very special runner, front offices don't like paying 10+mil for ball carriers. 

                              And even when you have that special runner, said teams are still rather, Shall I say... leary? - of paying that kind of cash.

                              Orion OrionO Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
                              • 9k Posts
                              • 4k Reputation
                              OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
                              #14

                              @tiamat63 said:

                              Most teams, since we're speaking of analytics, have a stable of running backs with various skill sets.  Look at the Patriots the last 7-8 years a primary example.   Unless you find a very special runner, front offices don't like paying 10+mil for ball carriers. 

                              And even when you have that special runner, said teams are still rather, Shall I say... leary? - of paying that kind of cash.

                              This is the football world that we live in.  We have to take full advantage of our time with Chubb and Hunt in the same RB room.  One really isn't the backup to the other.  They are both 1st string players.  We never have to rest the feature back.  They're both feature backs.  That's weaponry.  

                              BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
                              1 Reply Last reply
                              👍
                              Quote Reply
                              • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                @the-gipper said:

                                OK, sure, that makes sense what all of you have said,  More passing begets the need for more pass defenders,    except for one thing:

                                When a team, like the Browns can't stop the fucking run because they don't have decent linebackers.  And they lose games because of it,   Then what do you do?  

                                How many games we lost because we couldn't stop the run?

                                And in those games, how many were the result of not having "decent" linebackers?

                                And what is the tradeoff in other areas if we were to put in linebackers that were better against the run but worse in other areas?

                                The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                • 57k Posts
                                • 4k Reputation
                                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                @mld-woody said:

                                How many games we lost because we couldn't stop the run?

                                And in those games, how many were the result of not having "decent" linebackers?

                                And what is the tradeoff in other areas if we were to put in linebackers that were better against the run but worse in other areas?

                                To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                MLD WoodyM Gunz41G 2 Replies Last reply
                                Quote Reply
                                • The GipperT The Gipper

                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  How many games we lost because we couldn't stop the run?

                                  And in those games, how many were the result of not having "decent" linebackers?

                                  And what is the tradeoff in other areas if we were to put in linebackers that were better against the run but worse in other areas?

                                  To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                  To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                  MLD Woody MLD WoodyM Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular First Post Collaborator Posting Machine Reacting Well One Month Later One Year In Week One Done
                                  • 33k Posts
                                  • 3k Reputation
                                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                  To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                  Yes, why don't we just get players that are good at everything? Genius! It's so simple!

                                  ...

                                  We only put up 6 points against the Raiders. Was that loss really because we couldn't stop the run?

                                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
                                  The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                                  Quote Reply
                                  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                    To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                    Yes, why don't we just get players that are good at everything? Genius! It's so simple!

                                    ...

                                    We only put up 6 points against the Raiders. Was that loss really because we couldn't stop the run?

                                    The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                    • 57k Posts
                                    • 4k Reputation
                                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    Yes, why don't we just get players that are good at everything? Genius! It's so simple!

                                    Not at everything...at the position they play.  Yes, players should be good at the functions of their positions.

                                    ...

                                    We only put up 6 points against the Raiders. Was that loss really because we couldn't stop the run?

                                    Partly, yes.  The Raiders completely controlled the ball and  sure, our offense didn't have a good day, but they had limited opportunities.  

                                    Note the time of possession:   

                                    Time of Possession Raiders   37:43    Browns 22.17

                                    That was accomplished by running the ball down our throats. 

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    Quote Reply
                                    • The GipperT The Gipper

                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      How many games we lost because we couldn't stop the run?

                                      And in those games, how many were the result of not having "decent" linebackers?

                                      And what is the tradeoff in other areas if we were to put in linebackers that were better against the run but worse in other areas?

                                      To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                      To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                      Gunz41 Gunz41G Dedicated One Year In One Month Later Week One Done Very Popular
                                      • 1k Posts
                                      • 283 Reputation
                                      Gunz41G Gunz41 wrote on last edited by
                                      #18

                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                      To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                      One of these doesn't belong on the list (ahem, SB loser). 

                                      Sure, if you want to isolate 1 play on a scramble then yes. But the reason for that loss was passing. 

                                      Ravens led the league in rushing, and only playing the Browns twice, that isn't ALL on the Browns. 

                                      None of that means the Browns didn't have a bad defense, but it also doesn't mean that every game they lost was on the run defense, in fact the only loss you didn't name was the 1 to the Steelers. And they outrushed both Ravens 1st game and Chiefs. And I believe around 5 yards lower than Jets

                                      The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                                      Quote Reply
                                      • Unsympathetic U Reacting Well Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
                                        • 4k Posts
                                        • 1k Reputation
                                        U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by Unsympathetic
                                        #19

                                        Trend of all Browns defensive alignments 2007-2020

                                        If LB is the solution, I don't know what problem is being identified.. We were in 4-2-5 by far the most [2/3] of any formation last season.  Competent assignment execution is always required for any play to not bust in the NFL.

                                        If we didn't have such incompetence&injury at DB in 2020, we likely would have played even fewer LB snaps than what we saw.

                                        The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
                                        The GipperT 1 Reply Last reply
                                        Quote Reply
                                        • Gunz41G Gunz41

                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          To your second question:   How about getting some LBs that are good in all areas of the position?  Or at least try. 

                                          To the first question:  Raiders game,  Jets game,  both Ravens games.  Chiefs game. 

                                          One of these doesn't belong on the list (ahem, SB loser). 

                                          Sure, if you want to isolate 1 play on a scramble then yes. But the reason for that loss was passing. 

                                          Ravens led the league in rushing, and only playing the Browns twice, that isn't ALL on the Browns. 

                                          None of that means the Browns didn't have a bad defense, but it also doesn't mean that every game they lost was on the run defense, in fact the only loss you didn't name was the 1 to the Steelers. And they outrushed both Ravens 1st game and Chiefs. And I believe around 5 yards lower than Jets

                                          The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
                                          • 57k Posts
                                          • 4k Reputation
                                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @gunz41 said:

                                          One of these doesn't belong on the list (ahem, SB loser). 

                                          Sure, if you want to isolate 1 play on a scramble then yes. But the reason for that loss was passing. 

                                          Ravens led the league in rushing, and only playing the Browns twice, that isn't ALL on the Browns. 

                                          None of that means the Browns didn't have a bad defense, but it also doesn't mean that every game they lost was on the run defense, in fact the only loss you didn't name was the 1 to the Steelers. And they outrushed both Ravens 1st game and Chiefs. And I believe around 5 yards lower than Jets.

                                          Sure,  the pass defense also left a lot to be desired.   But 3 of their 5 losses were games in which they gave up the most rushing yards. 

                                          Something that "helped" our run  defense is the fact that in  several games the Browns got huge leads...Dallas,  Steeler playoff game and a few others, so the other team was forced to  throw the ball all over the yard. 

                                          And just because the Ravens did have a good run game does not mean that the Browns could not have put up a better fight there.   231 yards was the nadir of their performance in the late game against the Ratfuckers.   Our overall offense actually fairly well outperformed the Raves,  Gaining  493 total yards compared to 385 for them.  That, in a 5 point loss. 

                                          Gunz41G 1 Reply Last reply
                                          Quote Reply

                                          Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.

                                          Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.

                                          With your input, this post could be even better 💗

                                          Register Login
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          Theme
                                          • System
                                          • Light
                                          • Dark
                                          The Browns Board Terms Privacy

                                          The Browns Board is an independent fan community. It is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or sponsored by the Cleveland Browns, Cleveland Cavaliers, Cleveland Guardians, the NFL, NBA, MLB, or any of their affiliates. Team names, logos, and other marks are the property of their respective owners.

                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Forums
                                          • Recent
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Donate