Go Big Or Go Home?
-
Anyone got any idea what is happening, tweeted 30 minutes ago ...Sheldon Richardson coming back, Gilmore trade ?
We got something brewing in Cleveland huh??? -
I honestly don't think our #1 this year & again next year would be enough to get him (talking about Kyle Pitts).
Mike
Hypothetically, lets say it is enough.
Would you pull the trigger? SDBacker makes a good point - this isn't a top 5 or 10 overall pick we are talking about.
Given where our picks are (and should be), there's a good chance I would, but I'm no GM. I'll trust HIS decision.
Mike
Given where our picks are (and should be), there's a good chance I would, but I'm no GM. I'll trust HIS decision.
Mike
Are you telling me you are not the General Manager of the Cleveland Browns?
No way! ?
-
Going for it this year is grabbing Kyle Pitts and giving up some draft capital and the #32 overall pick next year. Yes- Ballsy. And He’d be the OBJ insurance for 2022. I’m not asking him to block DE or OLB (we have that Personnel)...j
But that always tells me (and the defense) that it's a pass play when he's in the game. Steph likes his guys to block for his run game.
But that always tells me (and the defense) that it's a pass play when he's in the game. Steph likes his guys to block for his run game.
That’s fine too And you put the defense in a bind when you have a physical specimen with pass catching skills running a 4.4 40 in tight or split out.
-
That’s fine too And you put the defense in a bind when you have a physical specimen with pass catching skills running a 4.4 40 in tight or split out.
Having a TE with those athletic skills could make it difficult for opposing defenses to crowd the Browns at the LOS like Kansas City did in the Divisional Playoff game.
-
Anyone got any idea what is happening, tweeted 30 minutes ago ...Sheldon Richardson coming back, Gilmore trade ?
We got something brewing in Cleveland huh???Anyone got any idea what is happening, tweeted 30 minutes ago ...Sheldon Richardson coming back, Gilmore trade ?
We got something brewing in Cleveland huh???Not seeing anything on new wires.
-
I don't know that I would trade up for any non QB. The pick you give and the player you would have taken are probably better than the value in the player you get in the trade.
-
Not that it matters ?... But I've sat thru many draft sims, Keeping pick #26..
than trading up (per draft value charts) in 2nd, 3rd & 4th... moving ahead of the Steelers & or Ravens...all but for pick 3.91... we'd get 5 quality picks in the top 127... All 5th thru 7th round picks were traded..
-
Not that it matters ?... But I've sat thru many draft sims, Keeping pick #26..
than trading up (per draft value charts) in 2nd, 3rd & 4th... moving ahead of the Steelers & or Ravens...all but for pick 3.91... we'd get 5 quality picks in the top 127... All 5th thru 7th round picks were traded..
Not that it matters ?... But I've sat thru many draft sims, Keeping pick #26..
than trading up (per draft value charts) in 2nd, 3rd & 4th... moving ahead of the Steelers & or Ravens...all but for pick 3.91... we'd get 5 quality picks in the top 127... All 5th thru 7th round picks were traded..
...makes good sense to me. Then you go ahead and sign the guys that didn't get drafted in the 7th round.....and they're more or less equivalent to 6th & 7th round picks.
-
I will add to my above comment. That was more in terms of say a first rounder. I can see trading up when you have multiple picks in a round to move in to a better round...say trade both of our 4th rounders to make it a 3rd round pick. Then it can make some sense.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Sitting at #26 in the first round this year, the Browns are in the strange (for them) position of having to sit and wait for the first round to play out.
But is there anyone in this draft that you - if you were in Andrew Berry's shoes - would trade up high enough for that would cost the Browns first rounder next year?
Who is the guy in this draft that would make you push all your chips to the center of the table and go all in for?
Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts.
He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him.
After a move like that and Baker being 2020 Baker and good fortunate (injury free to key players)...why not us?
so you give up the #32 overall pick next season.
Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts. He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him.
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- I think you will see a really good run on QBs, Pass catchers and blockers pushing defenders down the list. At this point I’m more in the camp of moving a 3rd and/or 4th to get into 2nd and take a prospect that may have a first round grade for us. I think Having three picks in the 26-60 range is ideal. Adding depth and significant rotational pieces for this season and in 2022 where they will need to take over as starters.
- If I’m going to talk out of the other side of my mouth...you could argue that there is maybe a small handful of teams (5-6) that are one unique talent away from setting themselves apart from everyone else. Believe it we are there.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Having a TE with those athletic skills could make it difficult for opposing defenses to crowd the Browns at the LOS like Kansas City did in the Divisional Playoff game.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Four weeks ago I mentioned the crazy idea of moving up for Kyle Pitts. He might be the weapon to take the team over the top...mismatch red zone threat that would get plenty of single coverage with everything around him.
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- I think you will see a really good run on QBs, Pass catchers and blockers pushing defenders down the list. At this point I’m more in the camp of moving a 3rd and/or 4th to get into 2nd and take a prospect that may have a first round grade for us. I think Having three picks in the 26-60 range is ideal. Adding depth and significant rotational pieces for this season and in 2022 where they will need to take over as starters.
- If I’m going to talk out of the other side of my mouth...you could argue that there is maybe a small handful of teams (5-6) that are one unique talent away from setting themselves apart from everyone else. Believe it we are there.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Having a TE with those athletic skills could make it difficult for opposing defenses to crowd the Browns at the LOS like Kansas City did in the Divisional Playoff game.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
I don't know. You can use him as a TE even though he would play more like a slot or wide out. The people who should be fired are the goofy fans who are worried about his ability to block.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
I don't know. You can use him as a TE even though he would play more like a slot or wide out. The people who should be fired are the goofy fans who are worried about his ability to block.
I don't know. You can use him as a TE even though he would play more like a slot or wide out. The people who should be fired are the goofy fans who are worried about his ability to block.
I think it would be a mistake to write off his ability to block 20-30% of the time. My untrained eye saw Harrison Bryant improve here throughout the year- he wasn’t noted for blocking either. Pitts would be a Swiss Army knife you would move him around and creat chaos on the other side or the ball. Let Landry work underneath it all and give OBJ single coverage. Good Lord!!!
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
I stated the precedent from going to 27 to 6. Unfortunately we were on the wrong end of that deal a decade ago.
We could conceivably go from 26 to 7 or 8. Lions and Panthers both have MANY needs but probably not a QB need - those are trade partners IMO.
My assumption is our first round pick is #32 next year.
-
Apparently Daniel Jeremiah has the Browns trying to trade up to 6 ....Peter King has them moving up to between 15 and 20 ....... maybe we are making a move or its a typical smokescreen .... whatever its fun tho ...my twitter refresh button is broken.
-
Apparently Daniel Jeremiah has the Browns trying to trade up to 6 ....Peter King has them moving up to between 15 and 20 ....... maybe we are making a move or its a typical smokescreen .... whatever its fun tho ...my twitter refresh button is broken.
Apparently Daniel Jeremiah has the Browns trying to trade up to 6 ....Peter King has them moving up to between 15 and 20 ....... maybe we are making a move or its a typical smokescreen .... whatever its fun tho ...my twitter refresh button is broken.
Trade up to #6...for what?
I personally am not in favor of trading future #1 picks on anyone available for this year....and it would almost certainly take that to make such a move. Using some of our 9 picks to move up some? Sure. But not future picks.
-
I'd be stunned if this FO saw value in moving up that far considering what it would cost
Seems to go against eveyrthing Berry and DePo are about
-
I don't know. You can use him as a TE even though he would play more like a slot or wide out. The people who should be fired are the goofy fans who are worried about his ability to block.
I think it would be a mistake to write off his ability to block 20-30% of the time. My untrained eye saw Harrison Bryant improve here throughout the year- he wasn’t noted for blocking either. Pitts would be a Swiss Army knife you would move him around and creat chaos on the other side or the ball. Let Landry work underneath it all and give OBJ single coverage. Good Lord!!!
Pitts is top of the non-QB list and one of two I'd consider. The other is Parsons.
Problem is Pitts is a top 6 pick and our 2021 + 2022 1sts won't get you there.
Parsons? Top 10-ish and the combo gets you very, very close to a deal. That said... there are some very nice, LB consolation prizes both at #26 and on Day 2.
- Agree on your intent, but you can't get a 2nd-round pick for a 3rd + 4th.
- We are getting close to there on paper, but my belief needs to see it on the field.
Any coach who uses Pitts as a TE should be immediately fired.
I stated the precedent from going to 27 to 6. Unfortunately we were on the wrong end of that deal a decade ago.
We could conceivably go from 26 to 7 or 8. Lions and Panthers both have MANY needs but probably not a QB need - those are trade partners IMO.
My assumption is our first round pick is #32 next year.
I think it would be a mistake to write off his ability to block 20-30% of the time. My untrained eye saw Harrison Bryant improve here throughout the year- he wasn’t noted for blocking either. Pitts would be a Swiss Army knife you would move him around and creat chaos on the other side or the ball. Let Landry work underneath it all and give OBJ single coverage. Good Lord!!!
I stated the precedent from going to 27 to 6. Unfortunately we were on the wrong end of that deal a decade ago.
We could conceivably go from 26 to 7 or 8. Lions and Panthers both have MANY needs but probably not a QB need - those are trade partners IMO.
My assumption is our first round pick is #32 next year.
It's not a matter of his blocking ability... the kid has monster, Megatron-like potential as a WR. I would not want him messing around in "the pit"... or even on the edges of it.
If Bryant gets rolled up while blocking, we won't miss him. If we had a Pitts and that happened? The HC should be summarily executed...
As for the trade... problem is the team on the other end of the deal would also be assuming that 2022 1st is #32 as well... that's why it's really not enough.
Plus there's going to be competing bids for Pitts... so the chart is just a starting point.... and a decade ago this chart was just beginning to take hold. The Jimmy Johnson "here's my gut feel" chart was still in wide use.
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think it would be a mistake to write off his ability to block 20-30% of the time. My untrained eye saw Harrison Bryant improve here throughout the year- he wasn’t noted for blocking either. Pitts would be a Swiss Army knife you would move him around and creat chaos on the other side or the ball. Let Landry work underneath it all and give OBJ single coverage. Good Lord!!!
I stated the precedent from going to 27 to 6. Unfortunately we were on the wrong end of that deal a decade ago.
We could conceivably go from 26 to 7 or 8. Lions and Panthers both have MANY needs but probably not a QB need - those are trade partners IMO.
My assumption is our first round pick is #32 next year.
It's not a matter of his blocking ability... the kid has monster, Megatron-like potential as a WR. I would not want him messing around in "the pit"... or even on the edges of it.
If Bryant gets rolled up while blocking, we won't miss him. If we had a Pitts and that happened? The HC should be summarily executed...
As for the trade... problem is the team on the other end of the deal would also be assuming that 2022 1st is #32 as well... that's why it's really not enough.
Plus there's going to be competing bids for Pitts... so the chart is just a starting point.... and a decade ago this chart was just beginning to take hold. The Jimmy Johnson "here's my gut feel" chart was still in wide use.
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
It's not a matter of his blocking ability... the kid has monster, Megatron-like potential as a WR. I would not want him messing around in "the pit"... or even on the edges of it.
If Bryant gets rolled up while blocking, we won't miss him. If we had a Pitts and that happened? The HC should be summarily executed...
As for the trade... problem is the team on the other end of the deal would also be assuming that 2022 1st is #32 as well... that's why it's really not enough.
Plus there's going to be competing bids for Pitts... so the chart is just a starting point.... and a decade ago this chart was just beginning to take hold. The Jimmy Johnson "here's my gut feel" chart was still in wide use.
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
You would need 1000 extra points to move from 26 to 4 or 6 (hello Chicago). More than we have for our entire draft.
-
It's not a matter of his blocking ability... the kid has monster, Megatron-like potential as a WR. I would not want him messing around in "the pit"... or even on the edges of it.
If Bryant gets rolled up while blocking, we won't miss him. If we had a Pitts and that happened? The HC should be summarily executed...
As for the trade... problem is the team on the other end of the deal would also be assuming that 2022 1st is #32 as well... that's why it's really not enough.
Plus there's going to be competing bids for Pitts... so the chart is just a starting point.... and a decade ago this chart was just beginning to take hold. The Jimmy Johnson "here's my gut feel" chart was still in wide use.
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
You would need 1000 extra points to move from 26 to 4 or 6 (hello Chicago). More than we have for our entire draft.
You would need 1000 extra points to move from 26 to 4 or 6 (hello Chicago). More than we have for our entire draft.
Cleveland traded the No. 6 overall pick to Atlanta for five draft picks (its first-, second-, and fourth-round picks in 2011, plus its first- and fourth-round picks in 2012).
Atlanta owned the 27th pick In the first round in 2011.
This would be the kind of deal that you would expect IF you moved into the 6-8 range. Did we get ripped off in 2011...perhaps?
Big Trade up...slight trade up...stay put....slide back. Could be interesting Thursday
-
You would need 1000 extra points to move from 26 to 4 or 6 (hello Chicago). More than we have for our entire draft.
Cleveland traded the No. 6 overall pick to Atlanta for five draft picks (its first-, second-, and fourth-round picks in 2011, plus its first- and fourth-round picks in 2012).
Atlanta owned the 27th pick In the first round in 2011.
This would be the kind of deal that you would expect IF you moved into the 6-8 range. Did we get ripped off in 2011...perhaps?
Big Trade up...slight trade up...stay put....slide back. Could be interesting Thursday
Cleveland traded the No. 6 overall pick to Atlanta for five draft picks (its first-, second-, and fourth-round picks in 2011, plus its first- and fourth-round picks in 2012).
Atlanta owned the 27th pick In the first round in 2011.
This would be the kind of deal that you would expect IF you moved into the 6-8 range. Did we get ripped off in 2011...perhaps?
Big Trade up...slight trade up...stay put....slide back. Could be interesting Thursday
What did we get out of those picks? Phil Taylor, Greg Little, Owen Marecic...in 2011. Brandon Weeden and James Michael Johnson in 2012.
ATL got Julio Jones. So, you could say it was a "rip-off"....even though it really was not. What ripped us off was our completely piss poor talent evaluation in making those picks, not the picks themselves.
Examples: Instead of DL Phil Taylor, we could have had DL Cameron Jordan...who is still playing for NO. (note...we did draft TE Jordan Cameron that year...we could have had the set)
Instead of WR Greg Little, we could have had WR Randall Cobb....still active
Instead of FB Owen Marecic, we could have had FB Bilal Powell...still active
In 2012 Instead of Brandon Weeden....we could have drafted a QB named Russell Wilson who went in round 3......or other first round guys who went after Weeden like Riley Rieff, David DeCastro, Whitney Mercilus, Donta Hightower
Instead of LB James Michael Johnson, we could have had a LB Tahir Whitehead...still active.
But note...the guy that was our GM those years was Tom Heckert.....who is the one guy we all basically thought was a decent talent evaluator. But, apparently not.
I mean, to this day I would probably take him over the likes of Mike Lombardi, Kokinis, Phil Savage, Ray Farmer....even Sachi Brown. (plus Butch...and maybe even Dwight Clark) Fair to say?
-
Executives
Person Teams From To Titles Notes Paul Brown Browns 1946 1962 Head Coach/General Manager Harold Sauerbrei Browns 1963 1973 General Manager Peter Hadhazy Browns 1974 1984 General Manager Ernie Accorsi Browns 1985 1991 Executive VP of Football Operations/General Manager Bill Belichick Browns 1992 1995 Head Coach/de facto General Manager Ozzie Newsome Browns 1995 1995 Director of Pro Personnel Dwight Clark Browns 1999 2001 General Manager Butch Davis Browns 2002 2004 Head Coach/General Manager Phil Savage Browns 2005 2008 General Manager George Kokinis Browns 2009 2009 General Manager Tom Heckert Browns 2010 2012 General Manager Michael Lombardi Browns 2013 2013 General Manager Ray Farmer Browns 2014 2015 General Manager Sashi Brown Browns 2016 2017 Executive VP of Football Operations Fired on December 7, 2017 John Dorsey Browns 2017 2019 General Manager Hired on December 7, 2017 Andrew Berry Browns 2020 2020 General Manager/Executive VP of Football Operations
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login