★ NFL WEEK 7 ★ News and notes, Denver +3.5 at Cleveland on a THURSDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL special !
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I felt there was a descent chance that D'E would be gone. But quite obviously they did not feel that Felton was a RB at all. Through 6 games he has yet to have a rushing attempt and has 8 receptions. So, although he's listed as a RB, he hasn't been one....and the only other RB is D'E....and the FB Stanton. No RB on the practice squad. Are we standing pat with that?
Kelly is activated I believe we saw him in preseason quite a bit when we rested starters. Not a speed guy but will run through a tackle
Felton isn’t on Johnson’s level when it comes to pounding the rock in our scheme. He was a toss right toss left and a pass catching back at UCLA and a very good Kickoff return specialist…looks like the case here too but he’s obviously elevated his game too.
The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
Kelly is activated I
Ahh, thanks. I didn't see him on the depth chart...but he's on the roster. He wasn't half bad in the preseason. He was usually playing with a terrible offensive line...so...nothing new to him.
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How do we not start case keenum?? Baker is not well.
I get it, I really do. Coach REALLY likes Baker Mayfield and so does the team. It's important to remember that Baker is the heart, soul, and leader of this team. His absence would be HUGE to our mental psyche and if he CAN play, he should play. My worry is that we can't PROTECT him, ya know? How many hits is he gonna take? They're going to blitz the CRAP out of us! I can tell you this, we're going to be practicing screen passes to our RBs ALL week. On the second 4th down failed attempt, we had the PERFECT opportunity for a screen. Everyone knew they were coming. So frustrating.
Ughhhhhhh, I just don't know.
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If Stefanski doesn't, how bad does Case have to look in practice??
Baker is like the black knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail...... "Tis but a scratch!"
Here the thing, if Baker can't throw the ball and perform, he won't play. It's that simple. Coach knows what to look for will know if Baker can execute the offense. Baker said it's ultimately his decision on whether he'll play, but that's not the truth. The final decision will most certainly be on the coach.
This game will come down to defense and special teams, I promise you. Our offense will be EXTREMELY vanilla and the Denver defense is VERY talented. This will be all about field position, creating turnovers, and probably needing a defensive or special teams score to win.
What really hurts is we're not going to be able to run the ball again. Not just because Chubb and Hunt are out, but because we have the 4th and 5th string Tackles in the game AND Arizona conveniently demonstrated how to shut down the rushing attack. Most of you guys probably know this, but Arizona played many downs with a 6 man DL front. That's extremely difficult to run against for obvious reasons and it takes away our ability to run on 2nd and long. With Stefanski, our team has been at the top of the league in running efficiency on 2nd and long, but we can't do that against a 6 man front because 3rd and long is a death sentence.
We need to try and remember we have the coach of the year. This is where he'll make his money. We also have to EXECUTE on offense. For example, coach called a reverse to OBJ and Hunt forgot to pitch it. It would have been a 30 yard gain, minimum and possibly a TD. How did we screw that up? How did Harrison sprint away from Deondre effing Hopkins in the end zone? I don't get it.
Running will be difficult and we won't have time to throw, so what do you do? There's only so many screen passes and quick outs you can run. We'll have to move the pocket, risk a few bootlegs OCCASIONALLY, get the RBs and TEs involved early, and play SMART. Just one holding penalty can be the difference between winning and losing. THAT'S how thin the margins are when you're without your studs and people are hurt.
I'll say this...we HAVE to find a way to get ANY fumble. Any ball in the air HAS to be ours. Tackles MUST be made. That Hopkins TD where he had 3 people in front of him was an absolute embarrassment. Oh, and JOK is out. Create the turnovers, get off the field, and when those few opportunities present themselves on offense, we MUST connect. It's now or never, boys. Baker says our backs are against the wall and he likes our chances. Lets freaking do this.
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I felt there was a descent chance that D'E would be gone. But quite obviously they did not feel that Felton was a RB at all. Through 6 games he has yet to have a rushing attempt and has 8 receptions. So, although he's listed as a RB, he hasn't been one....and the only other RB is D'E....and the FB Stanton. No RB on the practice squad. Are we standing pat with that?
Kelly is activated I believe we saw him in preseason quite a bit when we rested starters. Not a speed guy but will run through a tackle
Felton isn’t on Johnson’s level when it comes to pounding the rock in our scheme. He was a toss right toss left and a pass catching back at UCLA and a very good Kickoff return specialist…looks like the case here too but he’s obviously elevated his game too.
The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
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The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
Well they have three LBs out Two starters and another backup. Von can’t blitz and cover everyone
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The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
Off-ball linebackers*
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The Broncos are missing all of their LBs it’s time to use the three headed TE monster
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
This is actually a good point. When you play backup RBs, you're getting less talent running the ball, but just as important is the reduced ability to pick up blitzes. Many assumed Hunt played on passing downs because he's a better receiver, and that's true, but the biggest reason for Hunt's presence is his stellar ability to lay the wood on blitzing rushers. He's ferocious.
We have a QB who can't get hit, backup Tackles, and RBs not used to playing much. It's not ideal. Our defense played a couple really good games this year. We need another one or our season is in jeopardy.
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Zombo said:
I see Myles held a players only defensive meeting, and Baker didn't think about sitting for a minute.
These are the things leaders do.
This is how good teams become championship teams ... by overcoming adversity together.
You guys that want to play Keenum tommorrow are pussies. All of you.
Z
If he plays reasonably well, then so be it. I choose to err on the side of caution in terms of not putting players out there that are dealing with issues which can harm the team. However if Baker has another 3 turnover game that buries any chance of a comeback or win and a potential lost defensive effort, then I'll also be accepting your apology for the insult.
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Zombo said:
I see Myles held a players only defensive meeting, and Baker didn't think about sitting for a minute.
These are the things leaders do.
This is how good teams become championship teams ... by overcoming adversity together.
You guys that want to play Keenum tommorrow are pussies. All of you.
Z
Well I guess that makes the Browns organization a bunch of pussies, huh?
https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/qb-case-keenum-to-start-vs-broncos
Z, sometimes the health of a human being matters and arguably the hardest thing a coach has to do is sit a dude for his own good. We all respect the shit out of Mayfield for plowing through a very non-insignificant injury. No one with a serious brain is saying Keenum is the answer. But this ain't the Super Bowl or even a pivotal "must win" late in the season. It had to happen and coach made the right decision, cause I know this wasn't Mayfield's call.
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Um, not exactly- Von Miller is listed as a LB... FWIW,,,,, https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-olb-von-miller-facing-browns-tackles-kill-him-a-couple-sacks
I'm not exactly confident our 3rd and 4th string RBs are up to the task of keeping Miller off of Baker.
This is actually a good point. When you play backup RBs, you're getting less talent running the ball, but just as important is the reduced ability to pick up blitzes. Many assumed Hunt played on passing downs because he's a better receiver, and that's true, but the biggest reason for Hunt's presence is his stellar ability to lay the wood on blitzing rushers. He's ferocious.
We have a QB who can't get hit, backup Tackles, and RBs not used to playing much. It's not ideal. Our defense played a couple really good games this year. We need another one or our season is in jeopardy.
This is actually a good point. When you play backup RBs, you're getting less talent running the ball, but just as important is the reduced ability to pick up blitzes. Many assumed Hunt played on passing downs because he's a better receiver, and that's true, but the biggest reason for Hunt's presence is his stellar ability to lay the wood on blitzing rushers. He's ferocious.
We have a QB who can't get hit, backup Tackles, and RBs not used to playing much. It's not ideal. Our defense played a couple really good games this year. We need another one or our season is in jeopardy.
In the times We’ve seen Derenst Johnson play I didn’t think blitz pick up was an issue.
But You are just going to see check down city with Keenum on third and longs.
You are going to see the horizontal pass game with Schwartz, Felton and OBJ (if he plays). Especially on first down. Stef is going to want to be 2 and 5 or less and will hope to get 5 or more on these plays.I would challenge the middle linebackers with our TEs (the Broncos have a crisis there)
We aren’t going to show Denver anything that they aren’t expecting. We just have to execute well on offense on a short week
Having said all this - the game is on the defense
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I'm surprised that Johnson didn't see some snaps last Sunday. I don't get that. But a complete tear? When I had a complete tear of a rotator cuff, that is serious crap. Baker will have surgery whenever. I think Keenum will surprise people in the media. He can play, too.
Everybody surely admires the hell out of Baker for hanging in there. Defenses have been keying on the running game, I think, and putting pressure on Baker to make the throws, especially after the first game after the injury when he was overthrowing. In my goofy opinion, running on first down so much helped defenses make stops at critical times. Maybe he plays the defense, to spring throws on them on first down, who knows. Seems to me, first down runs are getting stifled more often.
Watching Tenn. beat the Bills - they were playing a lot of man to man? We have Greedy, Newsome and Ward, and we play a soft zone? and what is up with the miscommunications? Come on, we can NOT let bridgewater look like a star.
The upside is, Landry is back, with OBJ out. Throw to Schwartz more. It's time.
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Zombo said:
Baker's out. Coach's call. Let's kick ass Keenum!
Z
I'll let you guys look up Keenum's stats on Pro Football Reference. Overall, they scream journeyman career backup. BUT- I hope we see the Vikings Keenum who won 11 games, and had a 98 QBR on Thursday night. There's a reason Berry made him one of the highest paid backups in the NFL.
PS Regarding QBs I almost barfed when I saw some crack head suggesting we trade OBJ to the 49ers for Jimmy Garrapolo.
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I'm surprised that Johnson didn't see some snaps last Sunday. I don't get that. But a complete tear? When I had a complete tear of a rotator cuff, that is serious crap. Baker will have surgery whenever. I think Keenum will surprise people in the media. He can play, too.
Everybody surely admires the hell out of Baker for hanging in there. Defenses have been keying on the running game, I think, and putting pressure on Baker to make the throws, especially after the first game after the injury when he was overthrowing. In my goofy opinion, running on first down so much helped defenses make stops at critical times. Maybe he plays the defense, to spring throws on them on first down, who knows. Seems to me, first down runs are getting stifled more often.
Watching Tenn. beat the Bills - they were playing a lot of man to man? We have Greedy, Newsome and Ward, and we play a soft zone? and what is up with the miscommunications? Come on, we can NOT let bridgewater look like a star.
The upside is, Landry is back, with OBJ out. Throw to Schwartz more. It's time.
Throw to Schwartz more. It's time.
Outside of the KC game I haven't seen a thing from this kid.
Wish he'd stop bringing the damn ball out of the back of the endzone on kickoffs and making it to the 15 yard line.... (It would have been nice if he would have ran that damn slant route and not been a chicken shit about catching the ball in traffic too)
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Case is paid well. He essentially had just preseason snaps in year and half. Time to earn a paycheck
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Case is paid well. He essentially had just preseason snaps in year and half. Time to earn a paycheck
Case is paid well. He essentially had just preseason snaps in year and half. Time to earn a paycheck
After seeing those few passes he had in the Cards game......Got a feeling he is about to get Ken Dorsey'd....
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Case is paid well. He essentially had just preseason snaps in year and half. Time to earn a paycheck
Case is paid well. He essentially had just preseason snaps in year and half. Time to earn a paycheck
NEXT UP !
RB1, RB2..... now QB1.
OH and now CLE -2.
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Zombo said:
No, it doesn't make the Browns pussies ... he had three different doctors advise him not to play and ultimately Stafanski has to make a logical decision.
We are fans. That's short for fanatics. We don't have to be logical, we can dive 100% in on our starting qb and criticize anyone who thinks differently.
That's what made this board fun, you could be an optimist or a pessimist, a realist or a dreamer, as long as you stuck to your guns and came by your opinions honestly.
Now everyone is acting like they work for the Browns and they have to sift through the information and make cautious decisions like your opinion matters or something.
Being a FAN is fun for me. You ladies need to lighten up and enjoy being Browns fans and engaging wild in speculation, or I'm bringing Ghoolie back, he may be an asshole, but at least he's interesting.
Z
--Now I'm Case Keenum's biggest fan. I had already picked him up in fantasy, just in case, and now he's my starter. All in, Baby. When I'm dead and gone they won't be able to say I wasn't All In.
Settle down big guy. Although your comment drifts quickly into "my opinions are more important than your facts" audience, no one is questioning your fandom ya pussy. (This was sarcasm, by the way)
Go Browns-
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Zombo said:
No, it doesn't make the Browns pussies ... he had three different doctors advise him not to play and ultimately Stafanski has to make a logical decision.
We are fans. That's short for fanatics. We don't have to be logical, we can dive 100% in on our starting qb and criticize anyone who thinks differently.
That's what made this board fun, you could be an optimist or a pessimist, a realist or a dreamer, as long as you stuck to your guns and came by your opinions honestly.
Now everyone is acting like they work for the Browns and they have to sift through the information and make cautious decisions like your opinion matters or something.
Being a FAN is fun for me. You ladies need to lighten up and enjoy being Browns fans and engaging wild in speculation, or I'm bringing Ghoolie back, he may be an asshole, but at least he's interesting.
Z
--Now I'm Case Keenum's biggest fan. I had already picked him up in fantasy, just in case, and now he's my starter. All in, Baby. When I'm dead and gone they won't be able to say I wasn't All In.
No one is questioning your fandom Z. We're questioning Baker's sanity when one more hit on that bum shoulder- and he's done for the year.
What I want to know is who's Keenum's backup if he gets hurt? We know Landry and OBJ can toss the ball deep with some accuracy- but just wondering.
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Zombo said:
I'm bringing Ghoolie back,
Bring him back.
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