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Would you deal a third rounder for Tua, average arm but faster release than Marino.

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  • SkippinTurtles S Conversation Starter Dedicated First Post Collaborator One Year In Week One Done One Month Later
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    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    His culture typically produces tough athletes.  His release and anticipation behind an elite O-Line with stud RB's seems to fit.  Roll the dice on injury prone or not.  Is this Baker's team really? More like Landry's team.  Tua could replace him smoothly on the cheap.  Baker gets hurt, too.  Tua is coming off of broken ribs and a hip.  Let him get healthy and he's right with Burrow.  I swear no troll. I'm Bernie old school.

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      Mr. Make-BelieveM Mr. Make-Believe wrote on last edited by
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      Jesus Fucking Christ

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        jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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        I'm not sold on him. 

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          He has beautiful eyes, and his hair smells like cinnamon!

          The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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            S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
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            No the Dolphins won last season in spite of Tua.

            He can’t complete passes downfield how will that work in Cleveland?

            There are some likely divorces down the road here.  1. Jimmy G.   I’d say no on this but he doesn’t look too bad in playaction and I’d certainly take him over Tua but I don’t know if he’s an upgrade over Baker.

            for all you draft pick hoarders hide your eyes.

            2. Russ Wilson. Clear upgrade, SB winner and seems to have the leadership intangible.  If he’s truly leaving Seattle I’d certainly get in line.

            3. Aaron Rodgers.  This is like the Peyton Manning Denver Broncos type rental. Strangely is less of a fit than the other two but his talent will eventually fit anywhere. 

            Draft- I’m digging deep here but Kenny Pickett Pitt and Tanner Morgan Minn. both aren’t ready and wouldn’t see the field until 2023.

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                ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                No.  If replacing Baker is the thought, I'd extend Keenum for 3 years and draft someone to groom.

                I do agree there is a outside chance that Baker isn't Ski's type of QB and there is a chance we move on.  Ski seems to like the ball control, game manager type QB while Barker seems best in the hurry up spread the field type O.

                That doesn't mean Baker isn't good or Ski isn't good.  It might mean they are a bit like oil and vinegar.

                Much will be learned on how Ski treats the QB situation moving forward.  I do expect Keenum will probably start next week to give Baker the time to mend up as much as possible.  After that, we'll see.

                If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                  ATOMA ATOM wrote on last edited by
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                  ah hell no

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                    No.  If replacing Baker is the thought, I'd extend Keenum for 3 years and draft someone to groom.

                    I do agree there is a outside chance that Baker isn't Ski's type of QB and there is a chance we move on.  Ski seems to like the ball control, game manager type QB while Barker seems best in the hurry up spread the field type O.

                    That doesn't mean Baker isn't good or Ski isn't good.  It might mean they are a bit like oil and vinegar.

                    Much will be learned on how Ski treats the QB situation moving forward.  I do expect Keenum will probably start next week to give Baker the time to mend up as much as possible.  After that, we'll see.

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                    @ballpeen said:

                    No.  If replacing Baker is the thought, I'd extend Keenum for 3 years and draft someone to groom.

                    I do agree there is a outside chance that Baker isn't Ski's type of QB and there is a chance we move on.  Ski seems to like the ball control, game manager type QB while Barker seems best in the hurry up spread the field type O.

                    That doesn't mean Baker isn't good or Ski isn't good.  It might mean they are a bit like oil and vinegar.

                    Much will be learned on how Ski treats the QB situation moving forward. 1)  I do expect Keenum will probably start next week to give Baker the time to mend up as much as possible.  After that, we'll see.

                    1) We're preaching to the same choir there 'Peen. 🙂 

                    2) Not what Z wants to hear though. 

                    Yup, a 100% healthy Mayfield is good enough to take us to the Promised Land. The key word is "healthy".  Which he isn't right now, and won't be until he gets the shoulder operated on.  There was some lengthy discussion on the TNF pregame whether or not the Browns should shell out the $40 million a year extension top NFL QBs are currently getting. You'd have to be an absolute Browns homer to currently think Baker is up there in the Mahomes, Allen, or Rodgers stratosphere. FWIW, I sure don't.  Stay tuned if he'll take a $30 million or so contract (ala Brady) to keep the surrounding talent in place.  (LOL, he's probably getting $10 million from Progressive to do those commercials) Exhibit A is the Chiefs- gee, wish we could afford a defense after we gave Pat the Moon to keep him happy. 

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                      nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                      Tua is noodle armed... No thanks...

                      Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                        hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                        Zombo said:

                        What The Actual Fuck

                        Yeah- or trade OBJ for Garoppolo. Sheeze, the crap you hear these days...   Our next three drafts for Aaron Rodgers.    

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                          Hey, I hear there is a young QB out there who has already taken a team to the playoffs and won, is completing 67% of passes for 8.5 yards per attempt and only 3 Ints this year. Real leader and locker room guy. Great arm, can throw a TD strike 66 yards in the air and was a Heisman Trophy Winner and former #1 pick overall.

                          And we don't have to trade a thing to get him!

                          Z

                          Spot on!

                          "...but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

                          I don't deal I hypotheticals because if my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.

                          The Brownies are a dropped punt snap and an egregiously and unforgivably called DPI away from being 6-1. If they're unbeaten do they beat the Cardinals. I don't know. It doesn't matter.

                          Baker is the best QB the Browns have had in 35 years. Oddly, in his time, Bernie was the best QB the Browns had had in 35 years.

                          I think Baker can be a productive, Championship-winning QB for the next decade. Is that AFCN Championships? AFC Championships? Super Bowl Championships? I hope all three.

                          Take out the following:

                          GB and Favre to Rodgers - each won Super Bowls

                          What other Teams had starting QBs that were or could be considered one of the best in the history of the respective franchise and have, without skipping a beat, moved from that QB to their next franchise QB with nobody in between?

                          From 19 Freaking 99 to Week 4 in 2018, the Browns had 30 starting QBs. Now some are ready to move on from the one QB, who is on his 3rd HC (plus one interim) in four years, who has a fractured humerus and torn labrum, that led the team to the playoffs and won a game.

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                            His culture typically produces tough athletes.  His release and anticipation behind an elite O-Line with stud RB's seems to fit.  Roll the dice on injury prone or not.  Is this Baker's team really? More like Landry's team.  Tua could replace him smoothly on the cheap.  Baker gets hurt, too.  Tua is coming off of broken ribs and a hip.  Let him get healthy and he's right with Burrow.  I swear no troll. I'm Bernie old school.

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                            @skippinturtles said:

                            Is this Baker's team really? 

                            YES! What is wrong with people? Baker is a big part of the reason the franchise is where it is now, you would be kidding yourself if you didn't think so. It wasn't too long ago we had this guy named Deshone Kizer. Do you think we win a playoff game against Pittsburgh with Kizer as quarterback?

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                              S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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                              Tua is basically a rookie who makes some mistakes.  Why is Baker better?  Get cheap Tua.  He's healing.

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                                IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                I don’t know about Tua, but l’d take a flyer on Andy Dalton next year for a backup role if Case doesn’t return. 

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                                  Louisville SluggerL Louisville Slugger wrote on last edited by
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                                  If Baker is going to be out for an extended period of time I would roll the dice on Gardner Minshew. Similar QB that wouldn't cost much but could be an upgrade over Keenum. I'm not a fan of Cam Newton but he's available. If need be do you think Steph can put together a game plan to use him successfully?

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                                    Zombo said:

                                    Hey, I hear there is a young QB out there who has already taken a team to the playoffs and won, is completing 67% of passes for 8.5 yards per attempt and only 3 Ints this year. Real leader and locker room guy. Great arm, can throw a TD strike 66 yards in the air and was a Heisman Trophy Winner and former #1 pick overall.

                                    And we don't have to trade a thing to get him!

                                    Z

                                    Spot on!

                                    "...but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

                                    I don't deal I hypotheticals because if my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.

                                    The Brownies are a dropped punt snap and an egregiously and unforgivably called DPI away from being 6-1. If they're unbeaten do they beat the Cardinals. I don't know. It doesn't matter.

                                    Baker is the best QB the Browns have had in 35 years. Oddly, in his time, Bernie was the best QB the Browns had had in 35 years.

                                    I think Baker can be a productive, Championship-winning QB for the next decade. Is that AFCN Championships? AFC Championships? Super Bowl Championships? I hope all three.

                                    Take out the following:

                                    GB and Favre to Rodgers - each won Super Bowls

                                    What other Teams had starting QBs that were or could be considered one of the best in the history of the respective franchise and have, without skipping a beat, moved from that QB to their next franchise QB with nobody in between?

                                    From 19 Freaking 99 to Week 4 in 2018, the Browns had 30 starting QBs. Now some are ready to move on from the one QB, who is on his 3rd HC (plus one interim) in four years, who has a fractured humerus and torn labrum, that led the team to the playoffs and won a game.

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                                    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                    @ap1 said:

                                    From 19 Freaking 99 to Week 4 in 2018, the Browns had 30 starting QBs. Now some are ready to move on from the one QB, who is on his 3rd HC (plus one interim) in four years, who has a fractured humerus and torn labrum, that led the team to the playoffs and won a game.

                                    You may be new around here but I like your thinking.  🙂  As I posited in another thread- we finally get a QB who's at least decent- and now some guys want to toss him on the scrap heap because he's not the second coming of Otto Graham.  

                                    @neo said:

                                    YES! What is wrong with people? Baker is a big part of the reason the franchise is where it is now, you would be kidding yourself if you didn't think so. It wasn't too long ago we had this guy named Deshone Kizer. Do you think we win a playoff game against Pittsburgh with Kizer as quarterback?

                                    A better question would be- would the Browns even have made the playoffs with a QB like Kizer?   

                                    @skippinturtles said:

                                    Tua is basically a rookie who makes some mistakes.  Why is Baker better?  Get cheap Tua.  He's healing.

                                    Because he just is.. As Z said- watch football much?  Notice his not so stellar performance against the Bills with a 40 qbr?  I wouldn't trade the Dolphins a sack of seeds and a six pack for Tua. 

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                                      S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
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                                      We are too easily accepting  the idea that Baker is a Brown beyond 2022.

                                      Take the we are an 0-16 team lenses off and we had decades of futility…the bar has changed…embrace change if a better alternative is viable 

                                      This is a LOADED roster with a few league average positions groups.  Figure it out. 

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                                        I don’t know about Tua, but l’d take a flyer on Andy Dalton next year for a backup role if Case doesn’t return. 

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                                        @ibleedbrown said:

                                        I don’t know about Tua, but l’d take a flyer on Andy Dalton next year for a backup role if Case doesn’t return. 

                                        Please no.  I’ll keep Case if it means paying something similar to Andy check down Dalton 

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                                          We are too easily accepting  the idea that Baker is a Brown beyond 2022.

                                          Take the we are an 0-16 team lenses off and we had decades of futility…the bar has changed…embrace change if a better alternative is viable 

                                          This is a LOADED roster with a few league average positions groups.  Figure it out. 

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                                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                          @sdbacker80 said:

                                          We are too easily dismissing the idea that Baker is a Brown beyond 2022.

                                          Take the we are an 0-16 team lenses off and we had decades of futility…the bar has changed…embrace change if a better alternative is viable 

                                          This is a LOADED roster with a few league average positions groups.  Figure it out. 

                                          I have a sneaking suspicion that the "Well he's not elite but he's plenty good enough" crowd might change their tune after a few years of Baker taking up a huge portion of the salary cap with his new contract and he's the third best QB in the AFC North... 

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