Playing for Pickett
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The Browns are built to win now.
And if the Browns coaching staff and front office decide that Baker is not the guy to lead this team, I can pretty much guarantee the team won't be handed over to a rookie. The Browns would get a veteran QB.
The only vet that would make sense in my eyes is Russ Wilson.. I believe hes a free agent at seasons end... I just can't see giving up needed picks for Rodgers... This team needs WR's DL and I think Lber too...
The only vet that would make sense in my eyes is Russ Wilson.. I believe hes a free agent at seasons end... I just can't see giving up needed picks for Rodgers... This team needs WR's DL and I think Lber too...
i think you have that backwards
My understanding is that it's a good draft for WR's.
give hance a chance
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The only vet that would make sense in my eyes is Russ Wilson.. I believe hes a free agent at seasons end... I just can't see giving up needed picks for Rodgers... This team needs WR's DL and I think Lber too...
i think you have that backwards
My understanding is that it's a good draft for WR's.
give hance a chance
give hance a chance
Hance is a backup OT who is.. a backup. Sure, a 59 beats >1 starter in this league, but he's not pushing Conklin any time soon. Or a Wills on two unsprained ankles. But if by chance you mean a 2-year deal to be a backup at 2.5M per [you may recognize this as 1/2 Hubbard's salary] I'd do that in a heartbeat..
Also starting a monopoly on smart guys up front.. Tretter is a Cornell grad, Hance is Northwestern, Teller is Virginia Tech, Hooper is Stanford..
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give hance a chance
Hance is a backup OT who is.. a backup. Sure, a 59 beats >1 starter in this league, but he's not pushing Conklin any time soon. Or a Wills on two unsprained ankles. But if by chance you mean a 2-year deal to be a backup at 2.5M per [you may recognize this as 1/2 Hubbard's salary] I'd do that in a heartbeat..
Also starting a monopoly on smart guys up front.. Tretter is a Cornell grad, Hance is Northwestern, Teller is Virginia Tech, Hooper is Stanford..
Hance is a backup OT who is.. a backup. Sure, a 59 beats >1 starter in this league, but he's not pushing Conklin any time soon. Or a Wills on two unsprained ankles..
isnt 2022 jacks last year under contract ? could be then by chance hance will be ready to step in
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Hance is a backup OT who is.. a backup. Sure, a 59 beats >1 starter in this league, but he's not pushing Conklin any time soon. Or a Wills on two unsprained ankles..
isnt 2022 jacks last year under contract ? could be then by chance hance will be ready to step in
isnt 2022 jacks last year under contract ? could be then by chance hance will be ready to step in
Even in his injury-shortened 2021, Conklin put up a 78.4. 30 points is really quite a lot of difference.. Note that Hance in the 2020 postseason rated under 50 at 47.7. Hance is.. not a longterm starter, even coached up. And that's not a bad thing - it's just genetics. I want him on the Browns - just not as a starter.
If Conklin isn't interested in resigning [or if we just saw his career end due to the patella] replacing that is worth a #1 on OT. The 2022 draft does have a number of potential OT's -- Neal, Cross, Penning, Walker, Kinnard, and take a shot on one of the OSU guys. A Conklin retirement and drafting his replacement would, curiously, give us lots of FA potentials at IDL.
Depending on how deep they think the respective classes are, could go first-round WR in 2022, OT in round2, DL through FA and DL in round1 in 2023. NPF will likely be there in round2. We do need a new backup IOL as well - let someone else pay Nick Harris to spend time being physically dominated, not us. When Harris went on IR, Berry found Froholdt on the Texans' practice squad.. note that link is the 2020 season but his 70.9 rating is impressive because you have to play at least 20% of the snaps of the guy who had the most to get a rating.
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isnt 2022 jacks last year under contract ? could be then by chance hance will be ready to step in
Even in his injury-shortened 2021, Conklin put up a 78.4. 30 points is really quite a lot of difference.. Note that Hance in the 2020 postseason rated under 50 at 47.7. Hance is.. not a longterm starter, even coached up. And that's not a bad thing - it's just genetics. I want him on the Browns - just not as a starter.
If Conklin isn't interested in resigning [or if we just saw his career end due to the patella] replacing that is worth a #1 on OT. The 2022 draft does have a number of potential OT's -- Neal, Cross, Penning, Walker, Kinnard, and take a shot on one of the OSU guys. A Conklin retirement and drafting his replacement would, curiously, give us lots of FA potentials at IDL.
Depending on how deep they think the respective classes are, could go first-round WR in 2022, OT in round2, DL through FA and DL in round1 in 2023. NPF will likely be there in round2. We do need a new backup IOL as well - let someone else pay Nick Harris to spend time being physically dominated, not us. When Harris went on IR, Berry found Froholdt on the Texans' practice squad.. note that link is the 2020 season but his 70.9 rating is impressive because you have to play at least 20% of the snaps of the guy who had the most to get a rating.
Even in his injury-shortened 2021, Conklin put up a 78.4. 30 points is really quite a lot of difference.. Note that Hance in the 2020 postseason rated under 50 at 47.7. Hance is.. not a longterm starter, even coached up. And that's not a bad thing - it's just genetics.
If Conklin isn't interested in resigning [or if we just saw his career end due to the patella] replacing that is worth a #1 on OT. The 2022 draft does have a number of potential OT's -- Neal, Cross, Penning, Walker, Kinnard, and take a shot on one of the OSU guys. This would, curiously, give us lots of FA potentials at IDL.
Depending on how deep they think the respective classes are, could go first-round OT in 2022, WR in round2, DL through FA and DL in round1 in 2023. If you really want to roll the dice in 2022, WR in round1, OT in round 2.. NPF will likely be there. We do need a new backup IOL as well - Nick Harris should be physically dominated while playing for someone else, not us.
i don't see using a first round pick at ot next year while jack is under contract(cause i believe we are still in a win now time frame) while I agree if you want a top tier offensive lineman you can't find them after the 1st round so ya i would go WR in the first next year and ot in 2023
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The only vet that would make sense in my eyes is Russ Wilson.. I believe hes a free agent at seasons end... I just can't see giving up needed picks for Rodgers... This team needs WR's DL and I think Lber too...
i think you have that backwards
My understanding is that it's a good draft for WR's.
give hance a chance
give hance a chance
It's give 'peace' a chance. - Hance was undrafted in 2019. He was on and off several practice squads. We signed him from the Jets practice squad because he was within driving distance to Cleveland. There wasn't time for a player to be COVID cleared to get on a plane. So it had to be him. And we're down to him again. Not good.
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I think wr in the first round.
OT in the second? or third round.
Two of them interest me that high:
Darius Kennard, Kentucky and
Trevor Penning, Northern Iowa.
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Trevor Penning*, OT, Northern Iowa
Height: 6-7. Weight: 329.
Projected 40 Time: 5.2.
Projected Round (2022): 1-2.Darian Kinnard*, OT, Kentucky
Height: 6-5. Weight: 342.
Projected 40 Time: 5.2.
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Baker fucking blows
Whether you like him or hate him one thing is for sure....... you can't throw 4 INTs and expect to win those close must win games.
CLE 22 GB 24 geeezzzzzus.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Zombo said:
Yes, let's lose the rest of our games, trade a ton of our assets to move up to get another 1st round qb, wait four years for him to develop, and see if he is any better ... Which is a 50/50 proposition at best.
OR ... Realize that we have a solid starting qb already, and a solid NFL roster and continue to add pieces.
I mean, we are 18-12 over the past two seasons with a playoff win ... but let's dump it all and start all over with another rookie qb that may, or may not, be better than the one we already have.
Some of you don't deserve the Browns. We have a solid front office, a solid coach, a solid qb, a solid roster ... and we go for it this year, and if that doesn't work, we tinker, learn, and go for it next year. We do not shit our pants and rebuild around another rookie.
Z
Right since 1999, we deserve better than a guy who plays a decent game 20% of the time. Talks the talk, but isn't walking the walk.
We have a solid
starting QB, who just played like a street free agent against the Packers? Damn near single handedly lost the game, despite a stellar defensive performance? 21 points off of Baker's interceptions. When the bright lights are on, Baker usually turns them off, just like in those Progressive commercials. That's the facts Z, deal with it.
Please turn in your Baker Fan Club Card now, there's still some hope. I for one am not giving this guy unlimited mulligans to demonstrate he's still "got it" That was a Blake Bortles level performance today. Rinse, wash, repeat. The Cinci game was an outlier pal. So please take your damn rose colored homer glasses off for a minute or two.
FWIW, I was of the opinion we could win it all if Mayfield was at least Andy Dalton good. I'm rapidly starting to question my assessment of that POV.
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Whether you like him or hate him one thing is for sure....... you can't throw 4 INTs and expect to win those close must win games.
CLE 22 GB 24 geeezzzzzus.
2-14 on game winning or tying drives pretty much says it all. I'll let the stat geeks look up Baker's record when the bright lights are on in prime time, but I'll bet it sucks. We would have never beaten the Steelers last year in the playoffs if they hadn't gift wrapped us a pile of turnovers. We hung on to win.
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Zombo said:
If we win our last two, Cincy beats Ravens and loses to Chiefs, Chiefs beat Steelers and Rams beat Ravens .... we are Division Champs ?
Z
And if we lose our last two because of a height challenged int thrower, do you then change that opinion?
And we have not even started talking about the inability to rid himself of the ball rather than taking sacks. He's one of the best QBs in the NFL at eating dirt with a football still in his hands. He gets one of these ? for that.
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Zombo said:
Maybe hosting a home playoff game will make your heart grow three times larger!
Z
And if they don't...
The three words that best describe Mayfield are as follows, and I quote:
This is a damn good team, a playoff team. We shouldn't even be talking shoulda, woulda, coulda.
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Whether you like him or hate him one thing is for sure....... you can't throw 4 INTs and expect to win those close must win games.
CLE 22 GB 24 geeezzzzzus.
2-14 on game winning or tying drives pretty much says it all. I'll let the stat geeks look up Baker's record when the bright lights are on in prime time, but I'll bet it sucks. We would have never beaten the Steelers last year in the playoffs if they hadn't gift wrapped us a pile of turnovers. We hung on to win.
2-14 on game winning or tying drives pretty much says it all. I'll let the stat geeks look up Baker's record when the bright lights are on in prime time, but I'll bet it sucks. We would have never beaten the Steelers last year in the playoffs if they hadn't gift wrapped us a pile of turnovers. We hung on to win.
The 2-14 in game winning drive situations is ALARMING!!!!!
I saw that yesterday and thought it was a misprint. But it’s not.
It’s one thing to go down the field, in the first drive, with scripted plays and score. He’s good at that.
It’s a completely different skill set to do it in a 2 minute setting, to win the game
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You'd have to go back to 2013, when only 1 QB was drafted in the 1st round..
Some think Pickett stays in Pittsburgh? projected to pick around #15?
#3 Houston/ Jets #4 & #9/ Giants #5 & #6/ Carolina #7/ WFT #10/ Denver #12
Big Ney! (with a long, long way to go)
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Interesting question regarding Pickett. Suppose he's there... the Browns could draft PIckett, let him sit in the last year of Baker starting under the current contract....then they decide.
Apparently, the Browns need to draft a backup qb since they wouldn't put Keenum on the field. Or, Baker can't play next year because his surgery recovery takes too long - Pickett could start.
It's a deep draft for wide receivers.
Let's seem how would that look: lol.
First Round - Pickett, qb.
Second round - Jalen Tolbert, S. Alabama.
Who knows. It's crazy.
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Zombo said:
Merry Christmas, Larry, I figured I'd be hearing from you, quite a Christmas haul for you yesterday!
It's been a rough season for the Browns, and particularly Baker, but sorry to tell you Mr. Grinch ... But I still believe!
If we win our last two, Cincy beats Ravens and loses to Chiefs, Chiefs beat Steelers and Rams beat Ravens .... we are Division Champs ?
Maybe hosting a home playoff game will make your heart grow three times larger!
Z
As long as we're not mathematically eliminated, we still have a chance Z... But it's getting to the level of when pigs fly. If you want to get to the Super Bowl, you have to beat some other teams with Super Bowl aspirations. The only teams we've beaten with winning records are the Bengals and Ravens... That sucks.
Zombo said:
I think you are nuts for thinking we will lose the last two. If we get guys back and practicing all week, we can win those two games.
Z
Sure, we could win the last two. But not if Baker continues to play like crap. BTW, checking his career stats, he's rapidly sinking down to the mediocre level. Tia has posted plenty of play breakdowns, and I'm starting to worry opposing defensive coordinators have figured Baker out. This season he's posted four games with a qbr less than 60. We picked up his 5th year option, so he's going to be here next year, how he plays in the last two games will tell me if we're going to go quarterback shopping. Playing like he did against the Packers isn't going to get it done.
At least salvaging a winning record in this covid messed up season would be an admirable accomplishment. Too many winnable games that we lost... The great teams find ways to win, we've found more creative ways to lose games we should have won. Chiefs, Chargers, Steelers, Ravens, Raiders, and now the Packers.
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If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
I fully expect Baker to be the starting QB next season.
I have huge doubts about his future with the Browns after that.
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If we're doing anything we're trading for a proven commodity
An out of trouble Deshaun Watson should be the Browns first choice
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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