Hue Jackson clarifies comments he was paid to lose with Cleveland Browns
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hue blew - was hired as Tenn.'s OC, they only won five games, hue didn't last a year -
until jumping to Grambling as HC. whatever, don't really care.
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Hue was recently named the head coach at Grambling. In these interviews he didn't do a darn thing to promote his new team. No shirt with logo. No background logo, no nothing.
That says it all, as if we didn't know. Hue is a narcissistic person. Screw him. If I was the AD at Grambling, I would confront Hue over that move. He was acting like he is embarrassed to be their head coach.
If I was the AD of Grambling I'd be thrilled he didn't promote my team while making a complete ass of himself.
If I was Brian Flores I'd privately call Hue and tell him to shut the hell up regarding Flores' situation, too. Hue is the last person you want on your side.
If I was the AD of Grambling I'd be thrilled he didn't promote my team while making a complete ass of himself.
If I was Brian Flores I'd privately call Hue and tell him to shut the hell up regarding Flores' situation, too. Hue is the last person you want on your side.
LOL...well, I guess you do have a point.
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hue blew - was hired as Tenn.'s OC, they only won five games, hue didn't last a year -
until jumping to Grambling as HC. whatever, don't really care.
hue blew - was hired as Tenn.'s OC, they only won five games, hue didn't last a year -
until jumping to Grambling as HC. whatever, don't really care.
To be clear, that was Tn. State, a small school in Nashville. As a 46 year resident of the Volunteer State, Tn. in football means the Volunteers of the SEC or Titans of the NFL. TN. State is as unknown to us as it is to most everybody else. Again, just to clarify.
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hue blew - was hired as Tenn.'s OC, they only won five games, hue didn't last a year -
until jumping to Grambling as HC. whatever, don't really care.
To be clear, that was Tn. State, a small school in Nashville. As a 46 year resident of the Volunteer State, Tn. in football means the Volunteers of the SEC or Titans of the NFL. TN. State is as unknown to us as it is to most everybody else. Again, just to clarify.
To be clear, that was Tn. State, a small school in Nashville. As a 46 year resident of the Volunteer State, Tn. in football means the Volunteers of the SEC or Titans of the NFL. TN. State is as unknown to us as it is to most everybody else. Again, just to clarify.
Cal's political takes have to be gold.
We had to inform him that Roethlisberger played at Miami of Ohio, not Miami of Florida, too.
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Honest mistakes can be made.
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So I'm not trying to be insulting here, but you grossly misinterpreted my statement.
A court ruling isn't going to magically make people accepting of race, religion, etc. That comes from within an individual.
If someone takes me to court over my hatred of the Ratbirds & Steelers, I'm not going to magically turn and embrace them.....it's part of who I am, I just could never get on board with it.
I understand the cause- minority candidates are tired of being passed over. When Flores was fired I was shocked. I suppose this lawsuit could perhaps lead to some type of Affirmative Action situation where a judge rules an ___% of NFL Head Coaches must be minorities.....is that what we want?
You'd be helped by reading the lawsuit -- your "statement" is addressed on the cover page before the claims are enumerated.
Morals cannot be legislated -- but behavior can be regulated.
I'm not trying to be insulting here, but it sure reads to me like you came to this thread with the intent to spread factual inaccuracies about the lawsuit.
This case is not about morality -- YOU are attempting to shift the discussion by inventing a completely fake version of both Flores' claim and his proposed remedy.. which is of course the classic dodge of someone who knows they're guilty but doesn't want to admit it.
Flores has facts, and has listed them as his claims. If the jury buys his logic, he wins and the NFL loses. And.. those claims are pretty numerous and well-sourced, and the NFL knows it. This entire thing will actually boil down to collection of yes-or-no questions: Was this law violated, yes or no? And repeat for each law. Plenty of case history to go by to determine if the laws have been violated -- this isn't random.
If you either understood "the cause" or had read the actual lawsuit you would know that the list that is proposed to address the grievances is actually quite well thought-out and complete. Listed at the end. You may not agree with all, but it's definitely not "Just Affirmative Action" .. because just like Flores did when he coached, he thought this through much more than random white guys trying to insult him did.
As well, the laws cited that he's asserting have been violated are :
Section 1981 of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (“Section 1981”), the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, (“NJLAD”), the New York State Human Rights Law, N.Y. Exec. Law §§ 290 et seq. (“NYSHRL”) and the New York City Human Rights Law, N.Y.C. Admin. Code §§ 8-101 et seq. (“NYCHRL”).
The proposed list of redress of grievances :
1] Increase the influence of Black individuals in hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Ensure diversity of ownership by creating and funding a committee dedicated to sourcing Black investors to take majority ownership stakes in NFL Teams;
b. Ensure diversity of decision-making by permitting select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
2] Increase the objectivity of hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Require NFL Teams to reduce to writing the rationale for hiring and termination decisions, including a full explanation of the basis for any subjective influences (e.g., trust, personality, interview performance, etc.);
b. Require NFL Teams to consider side-by-side comparisons of objective criteria, such as past performance, experience and objective qualifications;
3] Increase the number of Black Offensive and Defensive Coordinators;
a. Create and fund a training program for lower-level Black coaches who demonstrate an aptitude for coaching and an interest in advancing to a Coordinator position;
4] Incentivize the hiring and retention of Black General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators through monetary, draft and/or other compensation such as additional salary cap space; and
5] Complete transparency with respect to pay for all General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.You'd be helped by reading the lawsuit -- your "statement" is addressed on the cover page before the claims are enumerated.
Morals cannot be legislated -- but behavior can be regulated.
I'm not trying to be insulting here, but it sure reads to me like you came to this thread with the intent to spread factual inaccuracies about the lawsuit.
This case is not about morality -- YOU are attempting to shift the discussion by inventing a completely fake version of both Flores' claim and his proposed remedy.. which is of course the classic dodge of someone who knows they're guilty but doesn't want to admit it.
Flores has facts, and has listed them as his claims. If the jury buys his logic, he wins and the NFL loses. And.. those claims are pretty numerous and well-sourced, and the NFL knows it. This entire thing will actually boil down to collection of yes-or-no questions: Was this law violated, yes or no? And repeat for each law. Plenty of case history to go by to determine if the laws have been violated -- this isn't random.
If you either understood "the cause" or had read the actual lawsuit you would know that the list that is proposed to address the grievances is actually quite well thought-out and complete. Listed at the end. You may not agree with all, but it's definitely not "Just Affirmative Action" .. because just like Flores did when he coached, he thought this through much more than random white guys trying to insult him did.
As well, the laws cited that he's asserting have been violated are :
Section 1981 of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (“Section 1981”), the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, (“NJLAD”), the New York State Human Rights Law, N.Y. Exec. Law §§ 290 et seq. (“NYSHRL”) and the New York City Human Rights Law, N.Y.C. Admin. Code §§ 8-101 et seq. (“NYCHRL”).
The proposed list of redress of grievances :
1] Increase the influence of Black individuals in hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Ensure diversity of ownership by creating and funding a committee dedicated to sourcing Black investors to take majority ownership stakes in NFL Teams;
b. Ensure diversity of decision-making by permitting select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
2] Increase the objectivity of hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Require NFL Teams to reduce to writing the rationale for hiring and termination decisions, including a full explanation of the basis for any subjective influences (e.g., trust, personality, interview performance, etc.);
b. Require NFL Teams to consider side-by-side comparisons of objective criteria, such as past performance, experience and objective qualifications;
3] Increase the number of Black Offensive and Defensive Coordinators;
a. Create and fund a training program for lower-level Black coaches who demonstrate an aptitude for coaching and an interest in advancing to a Coordinator position;
4] Incentivize the hiring and retention of Black General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators through monetary, draft and/or other compensation such as additional salary cap space; and
5] Complete transparency with respect to pay for all General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.You've gotten out of control
Bob clearly explained to you in very simple terms what he meant, yet you respond by continuing to pile on with needless rhetoric.
He never said you couldn't regulate behavior. Thats what laws do. Thats what rules, regulations, policies, and procedures do. What cannot be regulated are your feelings toward someone or an issue.
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The proposed list of redress of grievances :
1] Increase the influence of Black individuals in hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Ensure diversity of ownership by creating and funding a committee dedicated to sourcing Black investors to take majority ownership stakes in NFL Teams;
b. Ensure diversity of decision-making by permitting select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
2] Increase the objectivity of hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Require NFL Teams to reduce to writing the rationale for hiring and termination decisions, including a full explanation of the basis for any subjective influences (e.g., trust, personality, interview performance, etc.);
b. Require NFL Teams to consider side-by-side comparisons of objective criteria, such as past performance, experience and objective qualifications;
3] Increase the number of Black Offensive and Defensive Coordinators;
a. Create and fund a training program for lower-level Black coaches who demonstrate an aptitude for coaching and an interest in advancing to a Coordinator position;
4] Incentivize the hiring and retention of Black General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators through monetary, draft and/or other compensation such as additional salary cap space; and
5] Complete transparency with respect to pay for all General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.******************************************************************
I wish more people would differentiate between discrimination and reverse discrimination. The latter does not resolve
the former. They are both the same kind of unfairness. These grievances reek of the latter. Demanding the opposite in hiring/pay means more discrimination.
If a black head coach gets paid less than white head coaches - with the same success...that is discrimination probably. It depends on money available to a team, the overall pay given to all the other coaches, etc.
The simple assertion that it has to do with race - is just a self-serving, dishonest "gotcha" unless it is actually true.
I think the "Rooney Rule" was a bad thing - it led to this lawsuit, apparently. If the Giants had already officially hired Dabol, he has a point about it being a sham interview. But the Giants did not put the rule into place - the NFL did. Flores should be suing the NFL because they are guilty of demanding teams interview black coaches - because they are black?
Hiring/not hiring because of race is crap. It must be hammered legally.
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Flores has been with two NFL teams. Daboll has been with three college teams, and 7 NFL teams, with another stint with the Patriots.
It will be interesting to see if Flores wins much of his case, if any at all. There is nothing wrong with tentatively, but NOT officially having decided the Daboll was probably their guy - but still interviewing Flores to be sure.
Flores and Jackson's actions and words seem to be counter-productive, I think, to the desire to get more qualified black coaches into the NFL coaching ranks.
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Mike Tomlin addresses the issue:
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