Watson survey
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Gun to my head, I'm going "B"
Gun to my head, I'm going "B"
I'm going with 75% "B" and 25% "C". If these women were so offended, why repeatedly going back for more? Hey, you have a young, studly, famous guy with a lot of money. He was doing stuff in massage parlors instead of having women lining up in bars ala Ben you know who.
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Zombo said:
Somewhere between A and B.
I've always thought, long before the Browns got involved, that the whacko Texans brass/ownership heard whispers that he had a thing for massage girls, and when Watson got fed up with this horribly run franchise and demanded a trade, the Texans leaked this info to this attorney, Bisbee, who is very good at convincing people that they were wronged, and that they deserve compensation.
Read up on Cal McNair and Jack Easterby. They are nutjobs, and not fit to run a franchise. And the McNairs had previous connection to Bisbee.
I think they are awful, incompetent people whose attempt to sabotage Watson backfired, but they are still getting a butload of draft picks because the League, and in particular the Browns, believe in Watson, who has built up a lot of good will.
The Texans leadership is the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight, Bisbee is a creep lawyer, and Watson is a young man that likes his tally whacked, but never forced these women to do anything.
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Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
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Given this some thought and "B" is my answer.
This is the opinion of a 66 year old guy with 40 some years on this guy but a "starting NFL quarterback" who makes millions of dollars a year should be smart enough to avoid the kind of situations that can lead to this kind of accusations.
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I and my wife are an AAA!!!
We believe he is INNOCENT! There may have been some ADULT things that happened, but ALL were consenting ADULTS!! We as a couple are all in on this transition/transaction! Deshaun is our QB1 moving forward/onward/AND Upwards!!! GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!
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Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
What I suspect has happened (and it could be a shade worse or more innocent):
Watson goes to a masseuse. After she is done, she says “Oh, you’re Deshaun Watson the NFL quarterback? We’ll sir, would you do me the pleasure of allowing me to blow you?” And Watson being a dude says “my pleasure m’lady. Allow me to present to you… my throbbing manhood.” And then afterward he thinks to himself… “well uh… I don’t know if I should go back to that one. It’s kinda weird now that she sucked my cock and everything.”
So Watson finds a new masseuse. And that masseuse in turn says “Hey Mr Watson! Check out how wet my pussy is for you!” “Well hop on, lass!”
And then again afterward he thinks “geez I don’t know if I should go back to this one.”
And so on and so forth with some not expressing desire to fuck him and others quite the opposite. But enough that do so much that Watson makes some bad reads. He oversteps and he makes some women uncomfortable. And that’s no good. And maybe he meant no disrespect. And maybe upon the “no”, he left it at that and didn’t harass anyone. But perhaps his boner should not have been presented in the first place without being damn sure it was welcome.
For those instances, a lady or two comes forward and says “this cat is a creep.” And a few more come forward who actually consented, but can smell the dollarbucks and claim the same. And perhaps one or two who experienced nothing at all sexual get a whiff of potential cash as well, so they pile on.
The money grubbers may have inflated the numbers and made things look worse than they are. But there are probably some with legit concerns who Watson didn’t intend to offend, but definitely positively abso-fucking-lutely should have fucking known fucking better than to assume that they wanted to fuck him, with whom he acted recklessly and without proper regard.
Presenting a boner? Icky. Unwanted verbal advances? Ditto. Can I learn to live with those with some remorse and a lesson learned? Probably. Because I’ve been cheering for a team without a quarterback my entire adult life. And that’s just the level of hypocrite I’m willing to reduce myself to.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card until Watson is no longer around. Can’t abide by it.
But do I know what level this rises to? Nope! So I’m basing my excitement level on Browns management hopefully being smart enough to understand where they could draw that line. And with what they know, hopefully it’s a sign that it’s not as bad as we fear.
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Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
What I suspect has happened (and it could be a shade worse or more innocent):
Watson goes to a masseuse. After she is done, she says “Oh, you’re Deshaun Watson the NFL quarterback? We’ll sir, would you do me the pleasure of allowing me to blow you?” And Watson being a dude says “my pleasure m’lady. Allow me to present to you… my throbbing manhood.” And then afterward he thinks to himself… “well uh… I don’t know if I should go back to that one. It’s kinda weird now that she sucked my cock and everything.”
So Watson finds a new masseuse. And that masseuse in turn says “Hey Mr Watson! Check out how wet my pussy is for you!” “Well hop on, lass!”
And then again afterward he thinks “geez I don’t know if I should go back to this one.”
And so on and so forth with some not expressing desire to fuck him and others quite the opposite. But enough that do so much that Watson makes some bad reads. He oversteps and he makes some women uncomfortable. And that’s no good. And maybe he meant no disrespect. And maybe upon the “no”, he left it at that and didn’t harass anyone. But perhaps his boner should not have been presented in the first place without being damn sure it was welcome.
For those instances, a lady or two comes forward and says “this cat is a creep.” And a few more come forward who actually consented, but can smell the dollarbucks and claim the same. And perhaps one or two who experienced nothing at all sexual get a whiff of potential cash as well, so they pile on.
The money grubbers may have inflated the numbers and made things look worse than they are. But there are probably some with legit concerns who Watson didn’t intend to offend, but definitely positively abso-fucking-lutely should have fucking known fucking better than to assume that they wanted to fuck him, with whom he acted recklessly and without proper regard.
Presenting a boner? Icky. Unwanted verbal advances? Ditto. Can I learn to live with those with some remorse and a lesson learned? Probably. Because I’ve been cheering for a team without a quarterback my entire adult life. And that’s just the level of hypocrite I’m willing to reduce myself to.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card until Watson is no longer around. Can’t abide by it.
But do I know what level this rises to? Nope! So I’m basing my excitement level on Browns management hopefully being smart enough to understand where they could draw that line. And with what they know, hopefully it’s a sign that it’s not as bad as we fear.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card
That's called rape, and sex evaluation kits are standard issue in 100% of ED's. Lack of indictment means the case doesn't even go to trial -- because the totality of evidence presented to the grand jury isn't enough for the grand jury to conclude he MIGHT have been guilty.. even IF you assume all the evidence they present to that grand jury is 100% true.
That means they have precisely zero rape kits. Not some, not part, not half of these girls --- ZERO.
Look, people -- sociopaths are people you will come across. It's possible they will try to ruin your life - or someone you know. [How&why any one person would be the target of a sociopathic attack, of course, is a different topic for another thread.. I'm not saying this happens every time or is the sole cause of all defamation campaigns, etc]
My read on this is that the leadership of Texans simply tried to ruin Watson's life for having the temerity to want to play football somewhere other than Houston.
You don't need to be Einstein to see that.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's objective reality. Do you make investing decisions based on Hot Tips from ZeroHedge?
This is the logic behind "A Big Lie" of any kind.. political, economic, any. Pay enough people to repeatedly lie and a large % will refuse to believe it could be entirely fictional.
Option A, 100%. Show the evidence or you made it up.
My guess is the reason Watson has said nothing is that he is planning to countersue McNair&Bizbee for another 100M for their slander.. and deserve every penny. I hope Watson gets ahold of some documents during discovery that link McNair to this slander campaign.. that would be slam-dunk for his case, and sweet revenge.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card
That's called rape, and sex evaluation kits are standard issue in 100% of ED's. Lack of indictment means the case doesn't even go to trial -- because the totality of evidence presented to the grand jury isn't enough for the grand jury to conclude he MIGHT have been guilty.. even IF you assume all the evidence they present to that grand jury is 100% true.
That means they have precisely zero rape kits. Not some, not part, not half of these girls --- ZERO.
Look, people -- sociopaths are people you will come across. It's possible they will try to ruin your life - or someone you know. [How&why any one person would be the target of a sociopathic attack, of course, is a different topic for another thread.. I'm not saying this happens every time or is the sole cause of all defamation campaigns, etc]
My read on this is that the leadership of Texans simply tried to ruin Watson's life for having the temerity to want to play football somewhere other than Houston.
You don't need to be Einstein to see that.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's objective reality. Do you make investing decisions based on Hot Tips from ZeroHedge?
This is the logic behind "A Big Lie" of any kind.. political, economic, any. Pay enough people to repeatedly lie and a large % will refuse to believe it could be entirely fictional.
Option A, 100%. Show the evidence or you made it up.
My guess is the reason Watson has said nothing is that he is planning to countersue McNair&Bizbee for another 100M for their slander.. and deserve every penny. I hope Watson gets ahold of some documents during discovery that link McNair to this slander campaign.. that would be slam-dunk for his case, and sweet revenge.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's objective reality. Do you make investing decisions based on Hot Tips from ZeroHedge?
No, I just answer a poll question with my hunch.
"C" remains my pick.
Lol, nice shot at my investments. The only lemon I have, but still holding out hope on, is my Browns season tickets. The shares keep rising but no Super Bowl
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All these people wanting Watson lynched are probably the same people who wanted the central park 5 executed. Look what happened there. Lets wait until he is convicted first or a court decides he did what was alleged before he is condemned. USA is like the UK Guilty until proven innocent. Everyone hating on the Browns because Watson chose us ....I hope the hate of those people also stretches out to New Orleans, Atlanta and Carolina ..... or are they exempt now because he chose to come to a better team ?
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Zombo said:
Somewhere between A and B.
I've always thought, long before the Browns got involved, that the whacko Texans brass/ownership heard whispers that he had a thing for massage girls, and when Watson got fed up with this horribly run franchise and demanded a trade, the Texans leaked this info to this attorney, Bisbee, who is very good at convincing people that they were wronged, and that they deserve compensation.
Read up on Cal McNair and Jack Easterby. They are nutjobs, and not fit to run a franchise. And the McNairs had previous connection to Bisbee.
I think they are awful, incompetent people whose attempt to sabotage Watson backfired, but they are still getting a butload of draft picks because the League, and in particular the Browns, believe in Watson, who has built up a lot of good will.
The Texans leadership is the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight, Bisbee is a creep lawyer, and Watson is a young man that likes his tally whacked, but never forced these women to do anything.
Z
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones... He's a racist... Thats why I can't stand him... he's a cancer waiting to happen...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones... He's a racist... Thats why I can't stand him... he's a cancer waiting to happen...
Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones... He's a racist... Thats why I can't stand him... he's a cancer waiting to happen...
I'm surprised you don't like him.
You apparently have a lot in common with him, then.
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If there had never been a Marvin Zindler, then Watson only would have had to go up to LaGrange where it was quasi-legal and you didn't have to call it a massage.
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Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones... He's a racist... Thats why I can't stand him... he's a cancer waiting to happen...
Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones
Watson advocated for... Eric Bienemy as HC to replace the dumpster fire who was Bill O'Brien.
Watson didn't say anything about the need to fire OBrien because that was quite obvious.
Mahomes first spoke up for Bienemy to Watson, and Watson relayed that to Texans org.. who responded by not interviewing Bienemy, choosing instead such luminaries as high school coach Josh McCown.
Incidentally, Deshaun Watson also advocated to keep his white OC Tim Kelly. The Texans currently employ someone named Pep Hamilton.
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Remember... Watson was the QB that demanded the staff replace white coaches and players with all black ones
Watson advocated for... Eric Bienemy as HC to replace the dumpster fire who was Bill O'Brien.
Watson didn't say anything about the need to fire OBrien because that was quite obvious.
Mahomes first spoke up for Bienemy to Watson, and Watson relayed that to Texans org.. who responded by not interviewing Bienemy, choosing instead such luminaries as high school coach Josh McCown.
Incidentally, Deshaun Watson also advocated to keep his white OC Tim Kelly. The Texans currently employ someone named Pep Hamilton.
Watson advocated for... Eric Bienemy as HC to replace the dumpster fire who was Bill O'Brien.
Watson didn't say anything about the need to fire OBrien because that was quite obvious.
And just to be clear about the sequence.. Mahomes first spoke up for Bienemy to Watson, and Watson relayed that to Texans org.. who responded by not interviewing Bienemy, choosing instead such luminaries as high school coach Josh McCown.
Incidentally, Deshaun Watson also advocated to keep his white OC Tim Kelly. The Texans currently employ someone named Pep Hamilton.
Just to be fair.. I think Bienemy should get a shot... I think hes a great play caller...
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Agreed totally.. I wonder if Haslam would give him enough of a raise to switch teams and fix Stefanski's only weakness..
Of course "Calling Plays" is likely something Stefanski thinks he Should Keep Doing Because It's Fun And Stuff -- regardless of actual results.
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Unquestionably A.
But please don't use the term conviction. That confuses people into thinking there was a high standard to meet. The correct term is indictment. The Grand Jury indictment is THE EASIEST standard to meet of ALL legal proceedings. As someone eloquently put it, "you can indict a ham sandwich." The fact that a grand jury said their 12 strongest cases were baseless, speaks volumes.
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The real question is why couldn't get massages in his own training room where they are free from any scrutiny? Is it because he wanted a reach around and a happy ending? How's that working out for ya. I guess you get what you pay for.
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In reply to the thread, it's none of my business. If Watson wins a Super Bowl title in Cleveland, all will be well. I was pissed when LeBron left but it didn't matter when he won a title in Cleveland, it was water under the bridge. Two grand jury's electing not to indict him is telling. I just hope he is worth every penny they paid for him. Because if he's not, he will never play in the NFL again with all that money being guaranteed. Meaning if the Browns cut ties after one or two years.
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