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Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.
Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.
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Zombo said:
I don't see the Browns trading DA to a team where he would back up instead of keeping him here to back up. The only possible trade I see is a scenario where Mangini is in love with DA's arm and trades Quinn to Denver for a first rounder. Quinn could step in and start right away in Denver's system and it would relieve the PR nightmare they have out there now.But I don't think Mangini makes that decision unless he is confident that DA is the guy he would rather have starting, and I wouldn't think that would be the case, but you never know.
Anyway ... If it does go down, I hope Shep has a family member ready with the vid camera ... because we could make a freaking mint with a video of bats flying out of his ass.
Zombo
The only scenario I see BQ being dealt is if Mangini, after this competition, doesn't feel either one will be his future QB. In that case I can see him dealing the one that has the best value and riding out the season with the other one and then drafting his guy next year.
The only scenario I see BQ being dealt is if Mangini, after this competition, doesn't feel either one will be his future QB. In that case I can see him dealing the one that has the best value and riding out the season with the other one and then drafting his guy next year.
I never have understood this notion/train of thought. A superbowl isn't expected right out of the gate, but how would it fly if you told your boss you'd start producing/ selling next year, when you got your new company car instead of driving around that 4-yr-old Taurus the guy you replaced left around.
If quinn isn't Manginis guy, you sure as shit don't tell anyone, you start him this season, then work out a trade. Quinns value tanks when he gets offered this season (confirming he lost to Drive Assassin) or if he plays just as bad as DA for this season. Mangini saves more face playing Quinn rather than trading him in some half assed attempt to say, "maybe next year, Randy."
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@shepwrite said:
Sorry, friend. Not a chance in hell.50/50 chance shep while BQ looks a bit better by statistics than DA he didnt overwelm mangini with fuzzy warm feelings he didnt take full control of the team and in the end DA will likely start he had a big payday he played in a probowl and has 2 years experience we all know what will happen if DA starts the question is does mangini know?
We need not even go there....just yet...
Mangini is wheelin and dealin at this moment and i can tell ya it aint DA thats being negotiated....we are likely stuck with DA he is worthless but BQ can bring mankok what he wants next year..
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@shepwrite said:
Sorry, friend. Not a chance in hell.50/50 chance shep while BQ looks a bit better by statistics than DA he didnt overwelm mangini with fuzzy warm feelings he didnt take full control of the team and in the end DA will likely start he had a big payday he played in a probowl and has 2 years experience we all know what will happen if DA starts the question is does mangini know?
We need not even go there....just yet...
Mangini is wheelin and dealin at this moment and i can tell ya it aint DA thats being negotiated....we are likely stuck with DA he is worthless but BQ can bring mankok what he wants next year..
50/50 chance shep while BQ looks a bit better by statistics than DA he didnt overwelm mangini with fuzzy warm feelings he didnt take full control of the team and in the end DA will likely start he had a big payday he played in a probowl and has 2 years experience we all know what will happen if DA starts the question is does mangini know?
We need not even go there....just yet...
Mangini is wheelin and dealin at this moment and i can tell ya it aint DA thats being negotiated....we are likely stuck with DA he is worthless but BQ can bring mankok what he wants next year..
Theyve already had there shot to deal quinn, they had a first rounder offered in the offseason. If they are going to deal him they wouldve dealt him then.
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No way Gips. Some want to say Quinn hasn't done enough to win the job. But has DA? What has Quinn done to lose his chance?
I think you're just busting balls. Even the Oregon feeds tonight are conceding saying the writing is on the wall.
I guess we'll know soon enough. I'm wondering if the starter will be announced indirectly via a trade.
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When a starter is finally announced.... man, whoever manages to post the thread first will get a 17 page discussion and about 30 thousand "thanks".
Then, with nothing else to talk about, the board's activity will slow to a halt. A lot of posters just won't know what to DO anymore.
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When a starter is finally announced.... man, whoever manages to post the thread first will get a 17 page discussion and about 30 thousand "thanks".
Then, with nothing else to talk about, the board's activity will slow to a halt. A lot of posters just won't know what to DO anymore.
When a starter is finally announced.... man, whoever manages to post the thread first will get a 17 page discussion and about 30 thousand "thanks".
Then, with nothing else to talk about, the board's activity will slow to a halt. A lot of posters just won't know what to DO anymore.
They'll hang tight until the next Browns QB controversy comes along..... Who knows, it may not be that long.
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@oconrecon said:
NFL Rumors: Derek Anderson Trade Looming?September 04, 2009 By: Scott Category: Cleveland Browns
A lot of Browns fans were shocked to see that neither Brady Quinn nor Derek Anderson would be playing during last night’s game against the Bears. For a quarterback controversy that had allegedly not been decided to this point, the surprise makes sense.
However, if you look at the other side of the coin, not playing the two quarterbacks does two things:
1) It keeps the decision in Eric Mangini’s court. A few snaps at this point in the season would not make either quarterback better, especially at the cost of the downside of injury. All it takes is one play; if either quarterback were to succumb to even a minor nick, not only does that take the decision out of Mangini’s hands, it also decreases the value of the other QB.
2) It (supposedly) keeps the Minnesota Vikings guessing.
Now, to that second point. A recent interview with Brian Asshole touched on the quarterback situation. Asshole’s point was that it isn’t like Quinn and Anderson are very different in terms of skill set. Sure, one throws a little further, and the other has more a presence in the huddle. But we are not talking about one being a run-first, athletic type versus a pocket passer - similar to the Todd Boeckman/Terrelle Pryor use of last season.
Factor in the new of the Browns making a waiver claim on yet another quarterback, albeit a failed one, and it seems that there is little chance that both quarterbacks will be on this roster for the duration of the 2009 NFL season.
Of course, Mangini was mum on the situation following last night’s contest.
“In terms of the quarterbacks, I have no additional information on that. There’s nothing really to add. The information I have based on what they’ve done at this point is what the decision will be based on.”
And on the failed attempt at claiming Kevin O’Connel?
“Something internal, so we’ll leave it at that.”
Recall that Brett Ratliff was traded for by Mangini on draft day. His roster spot is pretty much a lock at this point - and it is not far-fetched to imagine that Mangini would like Ratliff to be the team’s No., 2 quarterback, instead of a third/emergency type role.
There were talks that the Jacksonville Jaguars were hot on the trail of another quarterback to back-up David Garrard. They recently added the abovementioned Todd Boeckman, but one would have to imagine that they would prefer Anderson if the cost was right. Other NFL teams that could be looking for an additional QB include the New York Jets (put in a claim for O’Connel), New England (no Cassell and recently released a back-up QB), Denver (they also put in a claim for O’Connel and Kyle Orton is their starter), Chicago (Caleb Haine is currently their No. 2), and St. Louis (Marc Bulger has a broken finger).
Of course, this is all based on the mosaic theory. We are just piecing different thoughts together, looking to come to a conclusion. There may be just as good of a chance that Anderson is holding the clipboard come September 13th when Brett Favre and company role into town. If that’s the case, Anderson will be holding that clipboard while making approximately $7 million.
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I think DA is the starter. If Quinn was "in" he would have already been named. A lot of this Board's members are going to be uncomfortable after it happens. Get over it.
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I think DA is the starter. If Quinn was "in" he would have already been named. A lot of this Board's members are going to be uncomfortable after it happens. Get over it.
You got that right. I don't think anyone wants to watch Derek-bear shit himself again and 'lead' the team to a 4-12 season.
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@shepwrite said:
Zero chance, Gips. None.Quinn played well from the first scrimmage to the last preseason game. He was sharp. He came in as the presumptive winner... and won. Quinn will be the starting quarterback against the Vikings come the 13th.
The only question is whether Anderson gets moved... and it's starting to look like it'll happen.
Shep, I agree. I think that the thing that cinches it for me is that Anderson's best came against Detroit. I think Quinn showed more in the other games. I think that there's a bit more to it however.
Quinn has impressed the coaches with his work ethic and film study as well. I think that there's got to be some behind-the-scenes factor to all of this.
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The biggest thing that will come from Quinn starting and what it will tell us: Do we have a franchise QB?
The system is basically setup to support his best skills. Flurry,Cribbs 3rd down killers. Edwards as Moss(with MMass as the trainee), checkdown TE in Royals ete ete.
With Brady developing into a above average QB, the Browns cross a major position off on the check list and speeds up the time the Browns can contend for a Super Bowl. It is like bypassing that 5-11 season and going right to 8-9 wins. The QB means so much.
The Browns defense will give up points, but with good QB, they can outscore some opponents.
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@shepwrite said:
You know the Browns are in process, and that someone like Jamal Lewis isn't really going to be a part of it. I'd certainly want to know if Brady Quinn and James Davis can be offensive building blocks along with Edwards, Thomas, and Mack.It seems to me that when you watch Quinn quarterback the Browns, you watch drives. I like that.
Edwards is no building block.
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@shepwrite said:
You know the Browns are in process, and that someone like Jamal Lewis isn't really going to be a part of it. I'd certainly want to know if Brady Quinn and James Davis can be offensive building blocks along with Edwards, Thomas, and Mack.It seems to me that when you watch Quinn quarterback the Browns, you watch drives. I like that.
Edwards is no building block.
Edwards is no building block.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
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Edwards is no building block.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
Edwards is what he is. A jumping jack WR with great size, average quickness and below average hands. The Browns attempt to trade Edwards last year was no fluke, and no team was willing to pay anything better than a low 2.
That isn't a cornerstone or a building block. BB would have shipped out Braylon LAST offseason. Mankok is hoping he can put together a better season and up his value. Quite the gamble.
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Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.
Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.
Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.
Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.
true ,da,and quinn are what 25 ,i believe bill might think he can bring da along to make him a good starter ,, espically with a good o-line and a running game ,[da needs the perfect situation to excell] good ,a+ for the browns,we do not have the luxary to have 2 starters with as many holes on this teamas we have to fill ,,we are rebuilding ,either quinn is it or we hit the draft next year...
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and what if they trade your boyfriend and he sucks and DA does great?There's two sides to every coin.
First, I'm not a Quinn lover but I see him as the lesser of 2 evils at this point and more consistent than DA, I would like to see what he could do over the course of a few games at least.
Second, maybe we can trade you for a real fan to be named later.
First, I'm not a Quinn lover but I see him as the lesser of 2 evils at this point and more consistent than DA, I would like to see what he could do over the course of a few games at least.
Second, maybe we can trade you for a real fan to be named later.
:laughs:aren't you the witty one? I guess you are the result when siblings breed.
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@shepwrite said:
Adkins is insinuating that the Browns are listening and there has been some chitter-chatter about a trade already. It's in the air.There's little doubt that both SF and Denver would prefer Quinn for the kind of offense they both run. While I really, REALLY don't think the Browns would trade him, there is some speculation that Mangini believes he can win with either guy.
I'm starting to think Anderson might actually be moved very, very soon.
What is SUDDENLY making all these teams that COULD have signed DA in the offseason - ready to sign him now that he has yet to see page 1 of their playbook?
I know someone is going to say Brett Favre is doing it as we speak BUT understand the difference. Childress came from Philly as Andy Reid's OC. Andy Reid kept his playbook from Green Bay, which was the offense Brett Favre played in for a number of years. More specifically, it ain't new to Favre.
I just don't think DA has the mindset to learn a brand new offense within a couple of weeks. I've been wrong before...
- Tom F.
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@shepwrite said:
Adkins is insinuating that the Browns are listening and there has been some chitter-chatter about a trade already. It's in the air.There's little doubt that both SF and Denver would prefer Quinn for the kind of offense they both run. While I really, REALLY don't think the Browns would trade him, there is some speculation that Mangini believes he can win with either guy.
I'm starting to think Anderson might actually be moved very, very soon.
What is SUDDENLY making all these teams that COULD have signed DA in the offseason - ready to sign him now that he has yet to see page 1 of their playbook?
I know someone is going to say Brett Favre is doing it as we speak BUT understand the difference. Childress came from Philly as Andy Reid's OC. Andy Reid kept his playbook from Green Bay, which was the offense Brett Favre played in for a number of years. More specifically, it ain't new to Favre.
I just don't think DA has the mindset to learn a brand new offense within a couple of weeks. I've been wrong before...
- Tom F.
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the Pats just cut their backup QB, Andrew Walter.
There are only 2 QBs on New England's roster. Tom Brady and Brian Hoyer.
somebody's going to NE.
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