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When a starter is finally announced.... man, whoever manages to post the thread first will get a 17 page discussion and about 30 thousand "thanks".
Then, with nothing else to talk about, the board's activity will slow to a halt. A lot of posters just won't know what to DO anymore.
When a starter is finally announced.... man, whoever manages to post the thread first will get a 17 page discussion and about 30 thousand "thanks".
Then, with nothing else to talk about, the board's activity will slow to a halt. A lot of posters just won't know what to DO anymore.
They'll hang tight until the next Browns QB controversy comes along..... Who knows, it may not be that long.
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@oconrecon said:
NFL Rumors: Derek Anderson Trade Looming?September 04, 2009 By: Scott Category: Cleveland Browns
A lot of Browns fans were shocked to see that neither Brady Quinn nor Derek Anderson would be playing during last night’s game against the Bears. For a quarterback controversy that had allegedly not been decided to this point, the surprise makes sense.
However, if you look at the other side of the coin, not playing the two quarterbacks does two things:
1) It keeps the decision in Eric Mangini’s court. A few snaps at this point in the season would not make either quarterback better, especially at the cost of the downside of injury. All it takes is one play; if either quarterback were to succumb to even a minor nick, not only does that take the decision out of Mangini’s hands, it also decreases the value of the other QB.
2) It (supposedly) keeps the Minnesota Vikings guessing.
Now, to that second point. A recent interview with Brian Asshole touched on the quarterback situation. Asshole’s point was that it isn’t like Quinn and Anderson are very different in terms of skill set. Sure, one throws a little further, and the other has more a presence in the huddle. But we are not talking about one being a run-first, athletic type versus a pocket passer - similar to the Todd Boeckman/Terrelle Pryor use of last season.
Factor in the new of the Browns making a waiver claim on yet another quarterback, albeit a failed one, and it seems that there is little chance that both quarterbacks will be on this roster for the duration of the 2009 NFL season.
Of course, Mangini was mum on the situation following last night’s contest.
“In terms of the quarterbacks, I have no additional information on that. There’s nothing really to add. The information I have based on what they’ve done at this point is what the decision will be based on.”
And on the failed attempt at claiming Kevin O’Connel?
“Something internal, so we’ll leave it at that.”
Recall that Brett Ratliff was traded for by Mangini on draft day. His roster spot is pretty much a lock at this point - and it is not far-fetched to imagine that Mangini would like Ratliff to be the team’s No., 2 quarterback, instead of a third/emergency type role.
There were talks that the Jacksonville Jaguars were hot on the trail of another quarterback to back-up David Garrard. They recently added the abovementioned Todd Boeckman, but one would have to imagine that they would prefer Anderson if the cost was right. Other NFL teams that could be looking for an additional QB include the New York Jets (put in a claim for O’Connel), New England (no Cassell and recently released a back-up QB), Denver (they also put in a claim for O’Connel and Kyle Orton is their starter), Chicago (Caleb Haine is currently their No. 2), and St. Louis (Marc Bulger has a broken finger).
Of course, this is all based on the mosaic theory. We are just piecing different thoughts together, looking to come to a conclusion. There may be just as good of a chance that Anderson is holding the clipboard come September 13th when Brett Favre and company role into town. If that’s the case, Anderson will be holding that clipboard while making approximately $7 million.
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I think DA is the starter. If Quinn was "in" he would have already been named. A lot of this Board's members are going to be uncomfortable after it happens. Get over it.
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I think DA is the starter. If Quinn was "in" he would have already been named. A lot of this Board's members are going to be uncomfortable after it happens. Get over it.
You got that right. I don't think anyone wants to watch Derek-bear shit himself again and 'lead' the team to a 4-12 season.
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@shepwrite said:
Zero chance, Gips. None.Quinn played well from the first scrimmage to the last preseason game. He was sharp. He came in as the presumptive winner... and won. Quinn will be the starting quarterback against the Vikings come the 13th.
The only question is whether Anderson gets moved... and it's starting to look like it'll happen.
Shep, I agree. I think that the thing that cinches it for me is that Anderson's best came against Detroit. I think Quinn showed more in the other games. I think that there's a bit more to it however.
Quinn has impressed the coaches with his work ethic and film study as well. I think that there's got to be some behind-the-scenes factor to all of this.
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The biggest thing that will come from Quinn starting and what it will tell us: Do we have a franchise QB?
The system is basically setup to support his best skills. Flurry,Cribbs 3rd down killers. Edwards as Moss(with MMass as the trainee), checkdown TE in Royals ete ete.
With Brady developing into a above average QB, the Browns cross a major position off on the check list and speeds up the time the Browns can contend for a Super Bowl. It is like bypassing that 5-11 season and going right to 8-9 wins. The QB means so much.
The Browns defense will give up points, but with good QB, they can outscore some opponents.
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@shepwrite said:
You know the Browns are in process, and that someone like Jamal Lewis isn't really going to be a part of it. I'd certainly want to know if Brady Quinn and James Davis can be offensive building blocks along with Edwards, Thomas, and Mack.It seems to me that when you watch Quinn quarterback the Browns, you watch drives. I like that.
Edwards is no building block.
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@shepwrite said:
You know the Browns are in process, and that someone like Jamal Lewis isn't really going to be a part of it. I'd certainly want to know if Brady Quinn and James Davis can be offensive building blocks along with Edwards, Thomas, and Mack.It seems to me that when you watch Quinn quarterback the Browns, you watch drives. I like that.
Edwards is no building block.
Edwards is no building block.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
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Edwards is no building block.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
I would say he's not the "cornerstone" but he certainly can be an important piece when his game is on. He's certainly better than anyone in a New York uniform right now. Your QB (whoever he is) isn't going to get far without a receiver to throw to.
Edwards is what he is. A jumping jack WR with great size, average quickness and below average hands. The Browns attempt to trade Edwards last year was no fluke, and no team was willing to pay anything better than a low 2.
That isn't a cornerstone or a building block. BB would have shipped out Braylon LAST offseason. Mankok is hoping he can put together a better season and up his value. Quite the gamble.
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Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.
Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.
Bernie was also not considered starting material on a contending team at that point in his career either. Hence why he spent it as a backup elsewhere.
Belichick cited "diminshing skills" as the reason for reeleasing him and while most Browns fans were pissed off at the time, the reality was that he was right. He was lucky to go to the Cowboys where there was a stacked roster on both sides of the ball.
true ,da,and quinn are what 25 ,i believe bill might think he can bring da along to make him a good starter ,, espically with a good o-line and a running game ,[da needs the perfect situation to excell] good ,a+ for the browns,we do not have the luxary to have 2 starters with as many holes on this teamas we have to fill ,,we are rebuilding ,either quinn is it or we hit the draft next year...
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and what if they trade your boyfriend and he sucks and DA does great?There's two sides to every coin.
First, I'm not a Quinn lover but I see him as the lesser of 2 evils at this point and more consistent than DA, I would like to see what he could do over the course of a few games at least.
Second, maybe we can trade you for a real fan to be named later.
First, I'm not a Quinn lover but I see him as the lesser of 2 evils at this point and more consistent than DA, I would like to see what he could do over the course of a few games at least.
Second, maybe we can trade you for a real fan to be named later.
:laughs:aren't you the witty one? I guess you are the result when siblings breed.
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@shepwrite said:
Adkins is insinuating that the Browns are listening and there has been some chitter-chatter about a trade already. It's in the air.There's little doubt that both SF and Denver would prefer Quinn for the kind of offense they both run. While I really, REALLY don't think the Browns would trade him, there is some speculation that Mangini believes he can win with either guy.
I'm starting to think Anderson might actually be moved very, very soon.
What is SUDDENLY making all these teams that COULD have signed DA in the offseason - ready to sign him now that he has yet to see page 1 of their playbook?
I know someone is going to say Brett Favre is doing it as we speak BUT understand the difference. Childress came from Philly as Andy Reid's OC. Andy Reid kept his playbook from Green Bay, which was the offense Brett Favre played in for a number of years. More specifically, it ain't new to Favre.
I just don't think DA has the mindset to learn a brand new offense within a couple of weeks. I've been wrong before...
- Tom F.
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@shepwrite said:
Adkins is insinuating that the Browns are listening and there has been some chitter-chatter about a trade already. It's in the air.There's little doubt that both SF and Denver would prefer Quinn for the kind of offense they both run. While I really, REALLY don't think the Browns would trade him, there is some speculation that Mangini believes he can win with either guy.
I'm starting to think Anderson might actually be moved very, very soon.
What is SUDDENLY making all these teams that COULD have signed DA in the offseason - ready to sign him now that he has yet to see page 1 of their playbook?
I know someone is going to say Brett Favre is doing it as we speak BUT understand the difference. Childress came from Philly as Andy Reid's OC. Andy Reid kept his playbook from Green Bay, which was the offense Brett Favre played in for a number of years. More specifically, it ain't new to Favre.
I just don't think DA has the mindset to learn a brand new offense within a couple of weeks. I've been wrong before...
- Tom F.
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the Pats just cut their backup QB, Andrew Walter.
There are only 2 QBs on New England's roster. Tom Brady and Brian Hoyer.
somebody's going to NE.
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Twitterverse is saying Panthers and Patriots may be interested.
Yes it's all speculation, but fun.
College football and NFL roster moves on a sunny Saturday. Great!!
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Here's some unfounded, but again fun, stuff:
(and cue Lums for the "chatter all
over the grid" part of this blog post)
DEREK ANDERSON TO THE PATRIOTS?
As mentioned earlier today, we’ve been hearing chatter regarding a series of potential trades in the National Football League–including one that may permanently end the QB debate in Cleveland.
In the wake of the Cutler debacle, there was talk about Josh McDaniels pursuing a trade with the Browns for QB Brady Quinn. It never went down. Meanwhile, speculation about a Derek Anderson trade dates back to January 2008.
Tonight, on the eve of the 2009 season, the New England Patriots are without a solid backup for Tom Brady. With only two quarterbacks on the roster, something has to change.
There’s chatter all over the grid that Mangini’s decision to sit both Quinn and Anderson last night had a purpose: resting Quinn for the starting role in Week One, and positioning Anderson for a trade that will happen over the next 48 hours. People speculate that the Browns and Pats couldn’t be talking–the Belichick/Mangini feud would prevent that, right? Nonsense. If the deal makes sense for both coaches and both teams, the trigger will be pulled.
While Derek Anderson is far from perfect, he’s young with a cannon arm, and may appeal to Belichick in the same way Vinny Testaverde did in 1993, when Belichick made the decision to release Bernie Kosar, much to the horror of the entire city. (People forget that Vinny wasn’t even healthy when Bernie was cut, but he figured into the coach’s plans for 1994, and he helped lead the Browns to an 11-5 season and their most recent playoff win–over Bill Parcells and the Patriots, of all teams.)
Derek Anderson recalls, in some ways, the imperfect--but dangerous--skillset of Vinny Testaverde.
People ripped on Vinny for his perceived lack of intelligence–and his knack for throwing costly interceptions. Belichick loved his arm, and fawned over his athleticism. Inherent to Anderson are some of those same strengths and weaknesses–when he thinks too much, and gets tight, he suffers. When he’s loose (we’ve said before that he should drink about three beers before every game), the guy just guns the ball all over the field. Anderson can be frustrating beyond comprehension–but he’s downright dangerous when he’s on. Besides, he’s toiled on a team that’s been in flux since the Reagan era. What would happen to Anderson under the guidance of Belichick and the Patriots? It’s a scary thought.
http://readandreact.net/2009/09/04/derek-a...riots/?noloop=1
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Here's some unfounded, but again fun, stuff:
(and cue Lums for the "chatter all
over the grid" part of this blog post)
DEREK ANDERSON TO THE PATRIOTS?
As mentioned earlier today, we’ve been hearing chatter regarding a series of potential trades in the National Football League–including one that may permanently end the QB debate in Cleveland.
In the wake of the Cutler debacle, there was talk about Josh McDaniels pursuing a trade with the Browns for QB Brady Quinn. It never went down. Meanwhile, speculation about a Derek Anderson trade dates back to January 2008.
Tonight, on the eve of the 2009 season, the New England Patriots are without a solid backup for Tom Brady. With only two quarterbacks on the roster, something has to change.
There’s chatter all over the grid that Mangini’s decision to sit both Quinn and Anderson last night had a purpose: resting Quinn for the starting role in Week One, and positioning Anderson for a trade that will happen over the next 48 hours. People speculate that the Browns and Pats couldn’t be talking–the Belichick/Mangini feud would prevent that, right? Nonsense. If the deal makes sense for both coaches and both teams, the trigger will be pulled.
While Derek Anderson is far from perfect, he’s young with a cannon arm, and may appeal to Belichick in the same way Vinny Testaverde did in 1993, when Belichick made the decision to release Bernie Kosar, much to the horror of the entire city. (People forget that Vinny wasn’t even healthy when Bernie was cut, but he figured into the coach’s plans for 1994, and he helped lead the Browns to an 11-5 season and their most recent playoff win–over Bill Parcells and the Patriots, of all teams.)
Derek Anderson recalls, in some ways, the imperfect--but dangerous--skillset of Vinny Testaverde.
People ripped on Vinny for his perceived lack of intelligence–and his knack for throwing costly interceptions. Belichick loved his arm, and fawned over his athleticism. Inherent to Anderson are some of those same strengths and weaknesses–when he thinks too much, and gets tight, he suffers. When he’s loose (we’ve said before that he should drink about three beers before every game), the guy just guns the ball all over the field. Anderson can be frustrating beyond comprehension–but he’s downright dangerous when he’s on. Besides, he’s toiled on a team that’s been in flux since the Reagan era. What would happen to Anderson under the guidance of Belichick and the Patriots? It’s a scary thought.
http://readandreact.net/2009/09/04/derek-a...riots/?noloop=1
Here's some unfounded, but again fun, stuff:
(and cue Lums for the "hearing all
over the grid" part of this blog post)
DEREK ANDERSON TO THE PATRIOTS?
As mentioned earlier today, we’ve been hearing chatter regarding a series of potential trades in the National Football League–including one that may permanently end the QB debate in Cleveland.
In the wake of the Cutler debacle, there was talk about Josh McDaniels pursuing a trade with the Browns for QB Brady Quinn. It never went down. Meanwhile, speculation about a Derek Anderson trade dates back to January 2008.
Tonight, on the eve of the 2009 season, the New England Patriots are without a solid backup for Tom Brady. With only two quarterbacks on the roster, something has to change.
There’s chatter all over the grid that Mangini’s decision to sit both Quinn and Anderson last night had a purpose: resting Quinn for the starting role in Week One, and positioning Anderson for a trade that will happen over the next 48 hours. People speculate that the Browns and Pats couldn’t be talking–the Belichick/Mangini feud would prevent that, right? Nonsense. If the deal makes sense for both coaches and both teams, the trigger will be pulled.
While Derek Anderson is far from perfect, he’s young with a cannon arm, and may appeal to Belichick in the same way Vinny Testaverde did in 1993, when Belichick made the decision to release Bernie Kosar, much to the horror of the entire city. (People forget that Vinny wasn’t even healthy when Bernie was cut, but he figured into the coach’s plans for 1994, and he helped lead the Browns to an 11-5 season and their most recent playoff win–over Bill Parcells and the Patriots, of all teams.)
Derek Anderson recalls, in some ways, the imperfect--but dangerous--skillset of Vinny Testaverde.
People ripped on Vinny for his perceived lack of intelligence–and his knack for throwing costly interceptions. Belichick loved his arm, and fawned over his athleticism. Inherent to Anderson are some of those same strengths and weaknesses–when he thinks too much, and gets tight, he suffers. When he’s loose (we’ve said before that he should drink about three beers before every game), the guy just guns the ball all over the field. Anderson can be frustrating beyond comprehension–but he’s downright dangerous when he’s on. Besides, he’s toiled on a team that’s been in flux since the Reagan era. What would happen to Anderson under the guidance of Belichick and the Patriots? It’s a scary thought.
http://readandreact.net/2009/09/04/derek-a...riots/?noloop=1
When he’s loose (we’ve said before that he should drink about three beers before every game), the guy just guns the ball all over the field. Anderson can be frustrating beyond comprehension–but he’s downright dangerous when he’s on. Besides, he’s toiled on a team that’s been in flux since the Reagan era. What would happen to Anderson under the guidance of Belichick and the Patriots? It’s a scary thought.
I would say DA is streaky rather he is loose or tensed up and i would also say he only has tunnelvision for one target at a time but when conditions are perfect and he gets 5 or more seconds to plant both his feet deep in the pocket and lets her rip he can be deadly but deadly can and does cut both ways with "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" however im reluctant to see mangini trade DA because he will be one of the best backups in the nfl and if mentored properly for a couple years DA could become a legit full service QB ratty however isnt ready for a no 2 spot not even close...
I dont think anyone will give what mankok may want for DA anyways...but ive been wrong more than right so....
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Adam Schefter to Peter King on Twitter:
Adam_Schefter@SI_PeterKing
Philly won't trade Feeley to NE, Peter, watch. But we are going to see a busy day.
2 minutes ago from UberTwitter in reply to SI_PeterKing
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Adam Schefter to Peter King on Twitter:
Adam_Schefter@SI_PeterKing
Philly won't trade Feeley to NE, Peter, watch. But we are going to see a busy day.
2 minutes ago from UberTwitter in reply to SI_PeterKing
Adam Schefter to Peter King on Twitter:
Adam_Schefter@SI_PeterKing
Philly won't trade Feeley to NE, Peter, watch. But we are going to see a busy day.
2 minutes ago from UberTwitter in reply to SI_PeterKing
Very interesting.
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I think it's 6PM for the cuts...Not sure if that coincides with the trades.
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