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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @syd said:

    what ever they can have him we have felton to take his place

    You're over selling this.  Felton isn't the player Jarvis is.  He's a tweener at best right now. 

    sydS syd wrote on
    #7

    @tiamat63 said:

    You're over selling this.  Felton isn't the player Jarvis is.  He's a tweener at best right now. 

    we put to much on his plate last year having to be a running back and a WR if he is just plays WR he should be fine

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Ravens won, easily

    sydS syd wrote on
    #8

    @mld-woody said:

    Ravens won, easily

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    nickersN MLD WoodyM Tour2maT 3 Replies
  • sydS syd

    @mld-woody said:

    Ravens won, easily

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    nickersN nickers wrote on
    #9

    @syd said:

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    Mark Andrews and some other kid they have

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • nickersN nickers

    @syd said:

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    Mark Andrews and some other kid they have

    sydS syd wrote on
    #10

    @nickers said:

    Mark Andrews and some other kid they have

    ya fuck him welcome to the cellar baltimore where they can join pit

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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #11

    PFF NFL Draft Grades all 32 teams

    https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-grades

    Ravens A+

    Steelers B+

    Bengals B+

    Browns B

    ❤
  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #12

    NY Post

    https://nypost.com/2022/04/30/2022-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams-ravens-jets-win-big/

  • sydS syd

    @mld-woody said:

    Ravens won, easily

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #13

    @syd said:

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    Still FAs out there

    They got arguably the best player at Safety, DE, and interior OL. They did very well. 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    So who improved? Did nothing? Declined?

    Consider trades as well as picks.

    I see the Ravens as winning this draft. Big WR upgrade.. TEs... and of course a couple Defenders with stud potential at every level.

    Steelers.... although I think the Pickett selection is a natural for them and thought that was where they'd go, it feels old now. As if trying to go Big Ben 2.0 when they been trying to get more dynamic for a couple years now. I see it as a wash... treading water... All the moreso with Tomlin ging on all week about wanting a mobile QB... Pickett is not statue, but....

    Bengals.... not sure here.... Loaded up on DBs an area of need to be sure, but could simply be a bunch of back ups.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #14

    @tour2ma said:

    So who improved? Did nothing? Declined?

    Consider trades as well as picks.

    I see the Ravens as winning this draft. Big WR upgrade.. TEs... and of course a couple Defenders with stud potential at every level.

    Steelers.... although I think the Pickett selection is a natural for them and thought that was where they'd go, it feels old now. As if trying to go Big Ben 2.0 when they been trying to get more dynamic for a couple years now. I see it as a wash... treading water... All the moreso with Tomlin ging on all week about wanting a mobile QB... Pickett is not statue, but....

    Bengals.... not sure here.... Loaded up on DBs an area of need to be sure, but could simply be a bunch of back ups.

    BINGO, except I'll disagree about Pickett (not that I want to).  The University of Pitt hasn't been relevant in a long time until he brought them to another level.  As for the tiny hands label, I didn't see them stopping him from being accurate at all.   

    As much as I appreciate what Chris Hubbard did in terms of accepting less money to stay in Cleveland, we should have drafted that RT Daniel Faalele (or other Tackles) when we knee jerked for Alex Wright in round 3.   The irony here is Wright and Faalele are going to be facing each other when they want to run the ball.  Alex Wright was probably a 6th or 7th round prospect at best for 31 other teams. In choosing Wright and Emerson Cleveland gift wrapped Travis Jones to Baltimore in round 3.  While Wright is only a 3rd round pick - that was the round Cleveland finally entered the draft and we couldn't afford to be as careless.  I'll withhold judgment on Emerson (but the Browns traded away Hill feeling like they found their upgrade).  Is it easy to press cover slot receivers/flankers lined up off the line of scrimmage?  

    When this team used to draft, they would make all these trades for more picks (which was a great idea IMO).  However, they never had a plan when it got to each of the new picks they traded for.  Then, they'd knee jerk and reach for guys exactly like Alex Wright (way above their projections).  Not for nothing, I didn't mind it as much 10 years ago but I'm 58 years old all of a sudden and there's nothing worse than watching Baltimore drafting guys that we SHOULD have drafted (Travis Jones & Daniel Faalele).  The only pick I really liked before round 4 was David Bell. 

    Having said all that, when we finally got to round 4 - the Browns turned it around and did a really nice job the rest of the way.  As I started to smile and fell better about the draft again - I could hear Bill Parcells saying "this is why you bought all that beer!"

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • sydS syd

    @mld-woody said:

    Ravens won, easily

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #15

    @syd said:

    who is lamar going to attempt to throw the ball 2

    • Round 4: No. 131 – Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 

    Serious upgrade over one-trick-pony Brown In opinion of most talking heads.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #16

    @gumby73 said:

    I'm draft full of concerning thoughts.. ? (still tape watching)

    1.) Draft 3 Sooners.... 2 of witch gave up a butt load of points playing college football.. they sure weren't Georgia or Alabama players winning with defense..

    www.soonerstats.com/football/recordbook/team/defense-points-season.cfm  (unsecure)

    68.  
    239 2020 21.73 11
    		     
             
    81. 335 2021 25.77 13

    Before the 2019 season, the 2018 Buckeyes were one of the worst defenses in school history. 

    That 2018 defense had Davon Hamilton, Chase Young, Jeff Okudah, Jordan Fuller, Kendall Sheffield, Shaun Wade, Damon Arnette, Malik Harrison & Dre'Mont Jones.

    Point being, there's something to be said for coaching and design.  And Alex Grinch hasn't been the most popular coordinator at times. 

    gumby73G 1 Reply
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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #17

    More grades:

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2022/5/1/23050090/nfl-draft-grades-2022-winners-losers-final

    Grade: C-

    Cleveland Browns

    Best pick: Perrion Winfrey, DT (108)
    Worst pick: Martin Emerson, CB (68)

    The Browns did a lot of good with the mid-late round picks they had. The pickup of Perrion Winfrey in the fourth round was inspired, and he could easily become a starter for the Browns within a couple of years. This was a very unsexy draft, that really comes down to Deshaun Watson and how that decision will play out.

    https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/news/nfl-draft-grades-2022-best-worst-classes/ksxemy5srefixxchzvdkp0a1

    #21. Cleveland Browns

    • Grade: B

    Draft picks: CB Martin Emerson, EDGE Alex Wright, WR David Bell, DT Perrion Winfrey, K Cade York, RB Jerome Ford, WR Mike Woods, EDGE Isiah Thomas, C Dawson Deaton

    The Browns used their early draft capital to get Deshaun Watson and didn't get more by choosing not to deal Baker Mayfield during. Emerson and Wright were shaky initial depth picks, but Bell and Winfrey were incredible need values for Andrew Berry. They also copycatted the Bengals and solved their big kicker issue with York. It's a true middle-class haul.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @gumby73 said:

    I'm draft full of concerning thoughts.. ? (still tape watching)

    1.) Draft 3 Sooners.... 2 of witch gave up a butt load of points playing college football.. they sure weren't Georgia or Alabama players winning with defense..

    www.soonerstats.com/football/recordbook/team/defense-points-season.cfm  (unsecure)

    68.  
    239 2020 21.73 11
    		     
             
    81. 335 2021 25.77 13

    Before the 2019 season, the 2018 Buckeyes were one of the worst defenses in school history. 

    That 2018 defense had Davon Hamilton, Chase Young, Jeff Okudah, Jordan Fuller, Kendall Sheffield, Shaun Wade, Damon Arnette, Malik Harrison & Dre'Mont Jones.

    Point being, there's something to be said for coaching and design.  And Alex Grinch hasn't been the most popular coordinator at times. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #18

    @tiamat63 said:

    Before the 2019 season, the 2018 Buckeyes were one of the worst defenses in school history. 

    That 2018 defense had Davon Hamilton, Chase Young, Jeff Okudah, Jordan Fuller, Kendall Sheffield, Shaun Wade, Damon Arnette, Malik Harrison & Dre'Mont Jones.

    Point being, there's something to be said for coaching and design.  And Alex Grinch hasn't been the most popular coordinator at times. 

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  • S SdBacker80 wrote on
    #19

    I read that Winfrey played about 20 pounds lighter for Grinch’s scheme.  He looked different at the Senior Bowl

  • S SdBacker80

    I read that Winfrey played about 20 pounds lighter for Grinch’s scheme.  He looked different at the Senior Bowl

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #20

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I read that Winfrey played about 20 pounds lighter for Grinch’s scheme.  He looked different at the Senior Bowl

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/oklahoma/.amp/football/why-perrion-winfrey-other-oklahoma-players-were-frustrated-and-mad-as-hell-about-2021

    Both our newly added Sooners were pretty critical of Grinch.  And it was pretty insane how much 0 tech they had Winfrey playing.  The amount of slants and stunts were eye opening.  Because they either produce TFL or were exploited to great effect. 

  • sydS syd wrote on
    #21

    draft grades are stupid

  • sydS syd

    draft grades are stupid

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #22

    @syd said:

    draft grades are stupid

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    sydS GorkaG 2 Replies
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @syd said:

    draft grades are stupid

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    sydS syd wrote on
    #23

    @dutch-oven said:

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    Pink Floyd were laughed about then ummm o.k

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @syd said:

    draft grades are stupid

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    GorkaG Gorka wrote on
    #24

    @dutch-oven said:

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    You don't have an opinion on the Browns draft?

    sydS Dutch OvenD 2 Replies
  • GorkaG Gorka

    @dutch-oven said:

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    You don't have an opinion on the Browns draft?

    sydS syd wrote on
    #25

    @gorka said:

    You don't have an opinion on the Browns draft?

    i dont have a problem with it Just with any draft you have to take a wait and see approach  whats your opinion ?

    GorkaG 1 Reply
  • GorkaG Gorka

    @dutch-oven said:

    Definitely are immediately after the fact.

    Need to wait at least three years, preferably longer to really see how it plays out. 

    You don't have an opinion on the Browns draft?

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #26

    @gorka said:

    You don't have an opinion on the Browns draft?

    I sure do. 

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