Baker to Carolina
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Well, that's elephants in the room.
...and Watson's Lamborghini not meeting emissions code would be the reason that you might not make the deal. That would've been considered during the research process, though how much weight it was given back then, in comparison to now, is not known. They will Tell you that they were all in complete agreement, yadda yadda, because that's what all executives should do. And HC's too for that matter.
Ya know, I've never liked slippery, cheating, trigger finger Haslam...including what he did to the uni's...but I don't hate him for this move. I see it as an all-out effort to win a SB. A bunch of chips pushed to the middle of the table. Perhaps it goes into Browns Lore as one of the worst trades of all time...worst than Warfield. We'll see.
Good point about Haslam EXCEPT the move becomes 1 more example of why he'll never get it.
Here's an owner with his hand-selected FO that was incapable of DRAFTING Watson when the Browns held the #1 overall pick in 2017. That would have made Watson way cap friendlier without giving up a trio of 1st round draft picks and more to acquire him. Having said that, Watson has only won 1 playoff game the entire time he's been an elite passer in Houston. His best year of all, the Texans finished with a 4-12 record. Do you REALLY trust Jimmy to be patient that far into a gig regardless of the guaranteed money he's committed? Just 1 calendar year after Cleveland went 11-5 and slapped Pittsburgh upside the head with 48 points in a playoff win (January of 2021) - here he is thinking the ONLY change needed is the QB. Meanwhile there's a guaranteed salary commitment that will change the ability to keep important players that could re-acquaint Watson with the type of talent he only went 4-12 with his last season played in Houston.
While I will agree with you and others that think Watson is a better QB than Baker, he's also capable of going 4-12 with an owner as bad as Haslam. We're all in a tug-of-war about the QBs here when there was a bigger picture promising a very STRONG QB draft in 2023. That would have also honored the 5th year option the FO exercised committed/railroaded themselves to with Baker. If it's the nightmare that people with zero faith in Baker are certain it would be - there would be yet another chance to draft a QB from a very good supply of them. EDIT: As much as I've lost faith in this owner's franchise at drafting the right QB, this actually makes a Jed Clampett moment of striking oil even more possible than the 1st one...
It's conceivable this FO is going to be paying Baker $18.9 million and Watson $1 million without either taking a snap. From an owner that claims he never researched a player more than Watson - that should be a huge concern to fans seeing what is unfolding with Watson. If I'm a 22 year old fan, I would have time to be patient. Since I'm an old crotchety bastard - I've seen this crap before that had the Browns deserving of the last place finish in the AFC North. Here we go again man.
Our biggest enemy has never been or ever will be Baker OR Watson. It's Jimmy Haslam.
Good point about Haslam EXCEPT the move becomes 1 more example of why he'll never get it.
Here's an owner with his hand-selected FO that was incapable of DRAFTING Watson when the Browns held the #1 overall pick in 2017. That would have made Watson way cap friendlier without giving up a trio of 1st round draft picks and more to acquire him. Having said that, Watson has only won 1 playoff game the entire time he's been an elite passer in Houston. His best year of all, the Texans finished with a 4-12 record. Do you REALLY trust Jimmy to be patient that far into a gig regardless of the guaranteed money he's committed? Just 1 calendar year after Cleveland went 11-5 and slapped Pittsburgh upside the head with 48 points in a playoff win (January of 2021) - here he is thinking the ONLY change needed is the QB. Meanwhile there's a guaranteed salary commitment that will change the ability to keep important players that could re-acquaint Watson with the type of talent he only went 4-12 with his last season played in Houston.
While I will agree with you and others that think Watson is a better QB than Baker, he's also capable of going 4-12 with an owner as bad as Haslam. We're all in a tug-of-war about the QBs here when there was a bigger picture promising a very STRONG QB draft in 2023. That would have also honored the 5th year option the FO exercised committed/railroaded themselves to with Baker. If it's the nightmare that people with zero faith in Baker are certain it would be - there would be yet another chance to draft a QB from a very good supply of them. EDIT: As much as I've lost faith in this owner's franchise at drafting the right QB, this actually makes a Jed Clampett moment of striking oil even more possible than the 1st one...
It's conceivable this FO is going to be paying Baker $18.9 million and Watson $1 million without either taking a snap. From an owner that claims he never researched a player more than Watson - that should be a huge concern to fans seeing what is unfolding with Watson. If I'm a 22 year old fan, I would have time to be patient. Since I'm an old crotchety bastard - I've seen this crap before that had the Browns deserving of the last place finish in the AFC North. Here we go again man.
Our biggest enemy has never been or ever will be Baker OR Watson. It's Jimmy Haslam.
Watson will play for the Browns in 2022.
And What supply exists in 2023 that we can obtain without mortgaging the future? Alabamas QB that can’t see over the line and will be taken in the top 5? Stroud? Will Levis? All either Not obtainable, unknown or not ready when we have guys in their PRIME right now. How can you advocate burning a year with this roster that’s pretty dang good now? This isn’t 2017. So you package all the picks we gave up to the Texans to instead move up in the draft next offseason and take Bryce Young who could be a good QB in 2024 or 2025 could be a bust too. Meanwhile the window we had with all these guys in their prime closed or is closing fast.
We needed a new kicker and we needed a top WR and probably another year for this defense to gel. Above these needs we absolutely needed a next level QB.
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Getting anything for Baker would be a bonus. Just hope we minimize the amount of salary we keep on our books. Could use cap space to add FAs later in the season for a SB run.
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Getting anything for Baker would be a bonus. Just hope we minimize the amount of salary we keep on our books. Could use cap space to add FAs later in the season for a SB run.
Getting anything for Baker would be a bonus. Just hope we minimize the amount of salary we keep on our books. Could use cap space to add FAs later in the season for a SB run.
Unfortunately somewhat true. The great trade deals might be off the table now it's just like that when the other guys know your hand. Just the way it is in poker or professional football, oh well......
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Baker Mayfield is one of the Top 7 best young QB's in the league... and he will be for years to come. We're getting shafted with the sideshow freak DateShawn Watson... a one trick pony.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Baker Mayfield is one of the Top 7 best young QB's in the league... and he will be for years to come. We're getting shafted with the sideshow freak DateShawn Watson... a one trick pony.
Baker Mayfield is one of the Top 7 best young QB's in the league... and he will be for years to come. We're getting shafted with the sideshow freak DateShawn Watson... a one trick pony.
Pog dude... At some point ya just gotta let it go... This is the shit storm they embraced.. Let them wallow in it now... Baker will make out wherever he winds up... I'm all for 2nd chances but Jesus.. At some point ya gotta act responsible and all of that. But dwelling on Mayfield isnt gonna help this team... Just let them implode... At this point ... The way we make wholesale changes is hilarious... Bring on da Briskets and DeSnausages!
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Well PoG is involved in this now.
Get the popcorn out, fellas. He's about to go all Saquon Barkley on this. ?
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Baker Mayfield a good but just how great let's see what the numbers say. He has 3,000+ yards passing in every season he's played no 4,000+ seasons. The important W/L 29-30 on a better than average team. Basically he's good not great or exceptional. Not a prototypical franchise quarterback.
And 2018 was his high water season in game winning drives, note 2021 zero g/w drives. He may not ever do better, injuries aside. In 2020 his best finish but no 2021 follow up yes he was injured.
Just the numbers.
Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds Sk% NY/A ANY/A 4QC GWD AV Awards Career 60 59 29-30-0 1185 1924 61.6 14125 92 4.8 56 2.9 681 89 7.3 7.0 11.9 235.4 87.8 134 889 6.5 6.43 6.10 6 7 45 2018 23 CLE QB 6 14 13 6-7-0 310 486 63.8 3725 27 5.6 14 2.9 171 71 7.7 7.5 12.0 266.1 93.7 51.2 25 173 4.9 6.95 6.77 3 4 10 AP ORoY-2 2019 24 CLE QB 6 16 16 6-10-0 317 534 59.4 3827 22 4.1 21 3.9 179 89 7.2 6.2 12.1 239.2 78.8 54.4 40 285 7 6.17 5.29 1 1 11 2020 25 CLE QB 6 16 16 11-5-0 305 486 62.8 3563 26 5.3 8 1.6 188 75 7.3 7.7 11.7 222.7 95.9 65.5 26 162 5.1 6.64 6.96 2 2 14 2021 26 CLE QB 6 14 14 6-8-0 253 418 60.5 3010 17 4.1 13 3.1 143 71 7.2 6.6 11.9 215.0 83.1 35.1 43 269 9.3 5.95 5.41 10 6 comebacks, 7 game-winning drives - full season- Glossary
Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2018 3 2018-09-20 23-159 CLE NYJ W 21-17 17 23 73.91 201 0 0 100.1 8.74 8.74 2 -2 -1.00 0 4QC / GWD 2 2018 5 2018-10-07 23-176 CLE BAL W 12-9 25 43 58.14 342 1 1 81.7 7.95 7.37 2 23 11.50 0 GWD 3 2018 13 2018-12-09 23-239 CLE CAR W 26-20 18 22 81.82 238 1 0 126.9 10.82 11.73 4 2 0.50 0 4QC / GWD 4 2018 14 2018-12-15 23-245 CLE @ DEN W 17-16 18 31 58.06 188 2 1 83.8 6.06 5.90 4 6 1.50 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 5 2019 9 2019-11-10 24-210 CLE BUF W 19-16 26 38 68.42 238 2 0 102.7 6.26 7.32 2 1 0.50 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 6 2020 3 2020-09-27 25-166 CLE WAS W 34-20 16 23 69.57 156 2 0 117.3 6.78 8.52 1 1 1.00 0 4QC / GWD 7 2020 7 2020-10-25 25-194 CLE @ CIN W 37-34 22 28 78.57 297 5 1 135.6 10.61 12.57 1 -1 -1.00 0 4QC / GWD -
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1544736336732635136?s=20&t=CZ7iDRU05iEnLMdvAwWs6A
Ian Rapoport@RapSheetA new QB in Carolina: The #Panthers are acquiring former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield from the #Browns for a 2024 conditional 5th-round draft pick, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. Deal is pending a physical. All parties split the financials to make it happen.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1544736336732635136?s=20&t=CZ7iDRU05iEnLMdvAwWs6A
Ian Rapoport@RapSheetA new QB in Carolina: The #Panthers are acquiring former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield from the #Browns for a 2024 conditional 5th-round draft pick, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. Deal is pending a physical. All parties split the financials to make it happen. -
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For a conditional 5th rounder. Split salary basically.
Jacoby era here we come!
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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For a conditional 5th rounder. Split salary basically.
Jacoby era here we come!
Not sure why it doesn't embed...
For a conditional 5th rounder. Split salary basically.
Jacoby era here we come!
5th rounder? Holy crap, that sucks.
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Ian Rapoport@RapSheetA new QB in Carolina: The #Panthers are acquiring former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield from the #Browns for a 2024 conditional 5th-round draft pick, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. Deal is pending a physical. All parties split the financials to make it happen.
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Not sure why it doesn't embed...
For a conditional 5th rounder. Split salary basically.
Jacoby era here we come!
Not sure why it doesn't embed...
For a conditional 5th rounder. Split salary basically.
Jacoby era here we come!
Jacoby? We got a guy named DeShaun if he’s not suspended for two years like some of you suggest.
We traded Baker for a 2024 pick that will probably be our next long snapper. Let that sink in.
There is no doubt in mind that Baker is better than Lock and Smith so all this tells me that the Hawks are in full out tank mode ready for CJ Stroud and company.
Let me brace the forum for a meltdown when Carolina pulls out a win with Baker and we are paying Baker’s salary because we stink in Week 1….please hang on…please….better days will be coming
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The Browns have to be run by the dumbest owner ever. Please go away Jimmy and Dee and please keep any offspring you have far away as well. Piece of Shit Steelers fag.
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The Browns have to be run by the dumbest owner ever. Please go away Jimmy and Dee and please keep any offspring you have far away as well. Piece of Shit Steelers fag.
The Browns have to be run by the dumbest owner ever. Please go away Jimmy and Dee and please keep any offspring you have far away as well. Piece of Shit Steelers fag.
He learned nothing when in Pittsburgh obviously. Maybe they shut the door on him or something in the shareholder meetings.
5th rounder. I still can't believe it, just plain dumb. My hunch is the Browns are blackballed for that stupid DW contract.
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Best of luck and well wishes. I appreciate Bakers contributions in helping this team start to show a turnaround.
Worth pointing out, this is likely the best deal the Browns were offered. Which includes reports of Detriot and the man who drafted Baker, getting in at the 11th hour. If that influence couldn't net a better return, then it should be quite telling to all what the NFL thought of Mayfield.
Also leads me to believe the Browns have been informed of Deshauns suspension and it will be survivable by riding it out with Jacoby.
Some good memories made. Hoping the next ones will be even better.
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My son just told me Baker just got traded to Carolina. Is this true?
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Good trade. A conditional 5th rounder that will probably turn in to a 4th.
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