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  • F FY56 wrote on last edited by

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Good.  We know him well advantage Browns 

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Good.  We know him well advantage Browns 

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63

    @fy56 said:

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    Ultimately advantage is determined by whom and what position group is able to overcome their weaknesses more consistently. 

    The weakness for the Browns defense is on the IDL.    

    The weakness for Carolina is their OL.  Their pass protection is spotty at best, and their IOL really doesn't move bodies.

     It's also pretty well known, at least by my pointing it out, that Baker struggles with his post snap processing, progression and decision making.   So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap.   That plays into processing speed vs the Browns pass rush and Baker having less time than he's used to.

     Reverting back to the position group weakness.  Can the Carolina OL move the Browns IDL enough, and hold up well enough in pass pro to allow Baker a chance to minimize his greatest flaw?    Early observations say no.     This doesn't account for my belief, which is that McCaffrey can be something of a cure-all for the Panthers offense.  At that point is boils down to execution and turnovers.

     I think Browns defense against Baker and a so-so offensive line tend to weigh in favor of CLE.   Much more heavily so in straight drop throws and downs/distances that McCaffrey would be less involved in the screen game.    CAR is a team built almost the exact opposite of the Browns.   They went sexy at the skill positions, but their offensive trenches are a serious work in progress.

  • @fy56 said:

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    Ultimately advantage is determined by whom and what position group is able to overcome their weaknesses more consistently. 

    The weakness for the Browns defense is on the IDL.    

    The weakness for Carolina is their OL.  Their pass protection is spotty at best, and their IOL really doesn't move bodies.

     It's also pretty well known, at least by my pointing it out, that Baker struggles with his post snap processing, progression and decision making.   So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap.   That plays into processing speed vs the Browns pass rush and Baker having less time than he's used to.

     Reverting back to the position group weakness.  Can the Carolina OL move the Browns IDL enough, and hold up well enough in pass pro to allow Baker a chance to minimize his greatest flaw?    Early observations say no.     This doesn't account for my belief, which is that McCaffrey can be something of a cure-all for the Panthers offense.  At that point is boils down to execution and turnovers.

     I think Browns defense against Baker and a so-so offensive line tend to weigh in favor of CLE.   Much more heavily so in straight drop throws and downs/distances that McCaffrey would be less involved in the screen game.    CAR is a team built almost the exact opposite of the Browns.   They went sexy at the skill positions, but their offensive trenches are a serious work in progress.

    F FY56 wrote on last edited by

    @tiamat63 said:

    Ultimately advantage is determined by whom and what position group is able to overcome their weaknesses more consistently. 

    The weakness for the Browns defense is on the IDL.    

    The weakness for Carolina is their OL.  Their pass protection is spotty at best, and their IOL really doesn't move bodies.

     It's also pretty well known, at least by my pointing it out, that Baker struggles with his post snap processing, progression and decision making.   So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap.   That plays into processing speed vs the Browns pass rush and Baker having less time than he's used to.

     Reverting back to the position group weakness.  Can the Carolina OL move the Browns IDL enough, and hold up well enough in pass pro to allow Baker a chance to minimize his greatest flaw?    Early observations say no.     This doesn't account for my belief, which is that McCaffrey can be something of a cure-all for the Panthers offense.  At that point is boils down to execution and turnovers.

     I think Browns defense against Baker and a so-so offensive line tend to weigh in favor of CLE.   Much more heavily so in straight drop throws and downs/distances that McCaffrey would be less involved in the screen game.    CAR is a team built almost the exact opposite of the Browns.   They went sexy at the skill positions, but their offensive trenches are a serious work in progress.

    I tend to agree. Aside from that the Browns have the better team overall, so yes advantage Browns.

  • @fy56 said:

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    Ultimately advantage is determined by whom and what position group is able to overcome their weaknesses more consistently. 

    The weakness for the Browns defense is on the IDL.    

    The weakness for Carolina is their OL.  Their pass protection is spotty at best, and their IOL really doesn't move bodies.

     It's also pretty well known, at least by my pointing it out, that Baker struggles with his post snap processing, progression and decision making.   So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap.   That plays into processing speed vs the Browns pass rush and Baker having less time than he's used to.

     Reverting back to the position group weakness.  Can the Carolina OL move the Browns IDL enough, and hold up well enough in pass pro to allow Baker a chance to minimize his greatest flaw?    Early observations say no.     This doesn't account for my belief, which is that McCaffrey can be something of a cure-all for the Panthers offense.  At that point is boils down to execution and turnovers.

     I think Browns defense against Baker and a so-so offensive line tend to weigh in favor of CLE.   Much more heavily so in straight drop throws and downs/distances that McCaffrey would be less involved in the screen game.    CAR is a team built almost the exact opposite of the Browns.   They went sexy at the skill positions, but their offensive trenches are a serious work in progress.

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by

    @tiamat63 said:

    So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap. 

    And since we play Baker in game 1 that gives Woods ample time to prepare his strategies for Baker.  Plus, knowing that Baker is a bit selfish, and he wants to show up the Browns to no end, Woods can play towards that end of things also.

  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by

    I’m hoping the Browns win, but let’s temper our expectations.

    After all, the last time the Browns won the season opener….George W Bush was President.

  • DaShawn Brown@DaShawnWSOC9
    It’s official, official…

    The #Panthers named Baker Mayfield the starting QB for the season opener. #NFL

    Baker named starter

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by

    @kvoethe said:

    Baker named starter

    images.jpg.fb51626c9b30d7b1f98d804c4d13941f.jpg   gonna be a fun watch !

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/07/14/former-browns-coach-freddie-kitchens-reacts-to-baker-mayfield-trade

    Former Cleveland Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens now has a new job. Kitchens is heading to the college ranks, South Carolina to be exact. Kitchens will work as an off-the-field senior analyst, per ESPN

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Good.  We know him well advantage Browns 

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by

    @fy56 said:

    And Baker knows the Browns, so who really has the advantage?

    We’ve spent four years game-planning to protect Baker and his weaknesses.  This is either something you all want to not believe or you lived in ignorance way too long.  It is time to eat.  Advantage Browns. 
     

    Give the fact that he doesn’t have the line he had in front of him- and it’s needed as he doesn’t process coverage at an adequate level-  Advantage Browns.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    So while he does have something of an upper hand with a detailed knowledge of the Browns personnel, deployment and favored coverages in downs and distances, that would also mean Woods' has an upper hand of his own should he go against tendency.   Because he would be asking Baker to see one thing pre-snap, but to interpret a completely different picture post snap. 

    And since we play Baker in game 1 that gives Woods ample time to prepare his strategies for Baker.  Plus, knowing that Baker is a bit selfish, and he wants to show up the Browns to no end, Woods can play towards that end of things also.

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by

    @orion said:

    And since we play Baker in game 1 that gives Woods ample time to prepare his strategies for Baker.  Plus, knowing that Baker is a bit selfish, and he wants to show up the Browns to no end, Woods can play towards that end of things also.

    Woods had three seasons what is another three weeks 

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by

    This thread should be fun after the Browns-Panthers game. lol

  • This thread should be fun after the Browns-Panthers game. lol

    mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by

    @calfoxwc said:

    This thread should be fun after the Browns-Panthers game. lol

    One way or the other. 

    GO BROWNS,  what a game 1.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by

    For anyone interested, we'll be going through and watching Baker's night against the Bills on the coaches film in 5 minutes.

    Feel free to join in on discord.      Might move on to Trey Lance after wards.  

    https://discord.gg/3rexAFJW

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by D Bone

    This is why I'm glad he's gone:

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/baker-mayfield-says-of-browns-im-going-to-expletive-them-up-sideline-reporter-shares.html

    I keep waiting for him to grow up, but he's still this dude... but with more money.  

  • This is why I'm glad he's gone:

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/baker-mayfield-says-of-browns-im-going-to-expletive-them-up-sideline-reporter-shares.html

    I keep waiting for him to grow up, but he's still this dude... but with more money.  

    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan1

    @d-bone said:

    This is why I'm glad he's gone:

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/baker-mayfield-says-of-browns-im-going-to-expletive-them-up-sideline-reporter-shares.html

    I keep waiting for him to grow up, but he's still this dude... but with more money.  

    Same here.  Hope Garrett and Clowney have a field day.

  • @d-bone said:

    This is why I'm glad he's gone:

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/08/baker-mayfield-says-of-browns-im-going-to-expletive-them-up-sideline-reporter-shares.html

    I keep waiting for him to grow up, but he's still this dude... but with more money.  

    Same here.  Hope Garrett and Clowney have a field day.

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Same here.  Hope Garrett and Clowney have a field day.

    I hope he draws them both offsides 😛

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  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by

    OK, who’s first in line to order up their very own Baker Mayfield T-shirt?

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  • OK, who’s first in line to order up their very own Baker Mayfield T-shirt?

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    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by

    @canton-dawg said:

    OK, who’s first in line to order up their very own Baker Mayfield T-shirt?

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    Only if there is another toilet paper shortage......................

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Same here.  Hope Garrett and Clowney have a field day.

    I hope he draws them both offsides 😛

    F FY56 wrote on last edited by

    @nickers said:

    I hope he draws them both offsides 😛

    Maybe the amount of times Baker draws the D offsides will be a Vegas prop bet. lol

  • @canton-dawg said:

    OK, who’s first in line to order up their very own Baker Mayfield T-shirt?

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    Only if there is another toilet paper shortage......................

    F FY56 wrote on last edited by

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Only if there is another toilet paper shortage......................

    But then Baker would have the last laugh when your toilet begins to back up all over the bathroom floor.

  • @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    Only if there is another toilet paper shortage......................

    But then Baker would have the last laugh when your toilet begins to back up all over the bathroom floor.

    DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by

    @fy56 said:

    But then Baker would have the last laugh when your toilet begins to back up all over the bathroom floor.

    Nah, I'll burn it.