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  • S SdBacker80

    @orion said:

    I remember listening to one of Watson's college coaches on an interview call with The Fan radio.  It was a few days before he signed with us.  His coach basically said that Cleveland has absolutely NO chance at getting Watson.  That he absolutely HATES their winter weather and would never go to a team that has that kind of weather.  🙂  

    And then the next day it was announced that Cleveland was out of the running for Watson and that it would be New Orleans or Atlanta.

    And then the NEXT day it was announced that he's a Cleveland Brown.   I was like, What the hell caused that?  And then I heard about the fully guaranteed 230 million reasons.   Just another mercenary.

    Some of us would never relocate no matter the money involved.  I have to think it may have been a factor but definitely not a deciding factor.   Atlanta, Carolina or anyone else actively pursuing him has to go on the road too and play in lousy weather. 
     

    And there is No amount money that I’d take to go and live in places like El Paso, TX.,  St. George, UT, Pittsburgh for (obvious and not so obvious reasons) or a region like central PA.  Right before I moved to Southern California I almost relocated to Scranton, PA….it was Youngstown Ohio…with no family and subpar Italian and polish food and some of most worst pizza I’ve ever had.  No offense here if I named a locale anyone resides in…to each their own.  California can be lousy too 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

     I almost relocated to Scranton, PA….it was Youngstown Ohio…with no family and subpar Italian and polish food and some of most worst pizza I’ve ever had.  

    Michael Scott: Guess who just ordered from your favorite pizza place, Alfredo?
    Kevin: Wait. Alfredo's pizza cafe? Or Pizza by Alfredo?
    Michael Scott: Same thing. [everyone groans] You know what, I don't understand when you all talk at the same time!
    Kevin: Oscar, talk to him.
    Oscar: Michael, there's a very big difference between these two pizza places. Both in quality of ingredients and in overall taste. Which one did you order from?
    Michael Scott: Pizza by Alfredo. [everyone groans] All right, you know what? Okay, okay. What is better, a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
    All: A medium amount of good pizza.

    😂
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @sdbacker80 said:

     I almost relocated to Scranton, PA….it was Youngstown Ohio…with no family and subpar Italian and polish food and some of most worst pizza I’ve ever had.  

    Michael Scott: Guess who just ordered from your favorite pizza place, Alfredo?
    Kevin: Wait. Alfredo's pizza cafe? Or Pizza by Alfredo?
    Michael Scott: Same thing. [everyone groans] You know what, I don't understand when you all talk at the same time!
    Kevin: Oscar, talk to him.
    Oscar: Michael, there's a very big difference between these two pizza places. Both in quality of ingredients and in overall taste. Which one did you order from?
    Michael Scott: Pizza by Alfredo. [everyone groans] All right, you know what? Okay, okay. What is better, a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
    All: A medium amount of good pizza.

    @dutch-oven said:

    Michael Scott: Guess who just ordered from your favorite pizza place, Alfredo?
    Kevin: Wait. Alfredo's pizza cafe? Or Pizza by Alfredo?
    Michael Scott: Same thing. [everyone groans] You know what, I don't understand when you all talk at the same time!
    Kevin: Oscar, talk to him.
    Oscar: Michael, there's a very big difference between these two pizza places. Both in quality of ingredients and in overall taste. Which one did you order from?
    Michael Scott: Pizza by Alfredo. [everyone groans] All right, you know what? Okay, okay. What is better, a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
    All: A medium amount of good pizza.

    I should have known an Office Quote/script was coming 

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  • S SdBacker80

    @orion said:

    I remember listening to one of Watson's college coaches on an interview call with The Fan radio.  It was a few days before he signed with us.  His coach basically said that Cleveland has absolutely NO chance at getting Watson.  That he absolutely HATES their winter weather and would never go to a team that has that kind of weather.  🙂  

    And then the next day it was announced that Cleveland was out of the running for Watson and that it would be New Orleans or Atlanta.

    And then the NEXT day it was announced that he's a Cleveland Brown.   I was like, What the hell caused that?  And then I heard about the fully guaranteed 230 million reasons.   Just another mercenary.

    Some of us would never relocate no matter the money involved.  I have to think it may have been a factor but definitely not a deciding factor.   Atlanta, Carolina or anyone else actively pursuing him has to go on the road too and play in lousy weather. 
     

    And there is No amount money that I’d take to go and live in places like El Paso, TX.,  St. George, UT, Pittsburgh for (obvious and not so obvious reasons) or a region like central PA.  Right before I moved to Southern California I almost relocated to Scranton, PA….it was Youngstown Ohio…with no family and subpar Italian and polish food and some of most worst pizza I’ve ever had.  No offense here if I named a locale anyone resides in…to each their own.  California can be lousy too 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Atlanta, Carolina or anyone else actively pursuing him has to go on the road too and play in lousy weather. 

    Yes, but you get to go home after the game.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
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  • S SdBacker80

    @orion said:

    I remember listening to one of Watson's college coaches on an interview call with The Fan radio.  It was a few days before he signed with us.  His coach basically said that Cleveland has absolutely NO chance at getting Watson.  That he absolutely HATES their winter weather and would never go to a team that has that kind of weather.  🙂  

    And then the next day it was announced that Cleveland was out of the running for Watson and that it would be New Orleans or Atlanta.

    And then the NEXT day it was announced that he's a Cleveland Brown.   I was like, What the hell caused that?  And then I heard about the fully guaranteed 230 million reasons.   Just another mercenary.

    Some of us would never relocate no matter the money involved.  I have to think it may have been a factor but definitely not a deciding factor.   Atlanta, Carolina or anyone else actively pursuing him has to go on the road too and play in lousy weather. 
     

    And there is No amount money that I’d take to go and live in places like El Paso, TX.,  St. George, UT, Pittsburgh for (obvious and not so obvious reasons) or a region like central PA.  Right before I moved to Southern California I almost relocated to Scranton, PA….it was Youngstown Ohio…with no family and subpar Italian and polish food and some of most worst pizza I’ve ever had.  No offense here if I named a locale anyone resides in…to each their own.  California can be lousy too 
     

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Some of us would never relocate no matter the money involved.  
     

    .... St. George, UT, Pittsburgh 
     

    My oldest son & his family live in Houston, holy crap is it muggy down there. 

    My middle son lives in Phoenix....HOT!!

    Both are good places to visit in the fall/winter though. I couldn't live there year round.

    St. George, Ut...gateway to all those National Parks, what's wrong with it, I'm curious.

    Pittsburgh, yeah. My sister has lived there since 1987. Married a Steeler fan & all their kids are Steeler fans, hate the Browns.

    Karlis Missed
  • OrionO Orion

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Atlanta, Carolina or anyone else actively pursuing him has to go on the road too and play in lousy weather. 

    Yes, but you get to go home after the game.

    @orion said:

    Yes, but you get to go home after the game.

    He’s got that big cozy house and probably private air travel aside from that He’s got to suck it up I guess from Mid-October to January 

  • dont turn the ball over limit penalties  a few big plays from watson would be nice and we win simple as that some people try to make the game to complicated 

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  • Once again, late in the season with nothing to really play for. Lots of guy going down so this will be a time for somebody to step up and maybe we can find another diamond in the rough. As i said before I have already made my mind up about Watson, not going to panic, even if he comes out and throws 5 interceptions( would be unfortunate but). I'm going to give him the same time I gave Mayfield, all I'm looking for is improvement which I believe we will see. This is like his pre-season, if he comes out at the start of next season and stinks then I will be concerned. If he stinks 8 games into next season then I will panic. 

    Players aside, I want to see improvement out of the coaching staff. If these guys can't show any kind of ability to make adjustment then I say shit can them all and just hope the new guy doesn't gut the roster. The biggest thing holding this team back aside from injuries are these morons. I mean, Stefanski showed so much promise when he got here and then suddenly turned into the Pat Shurmurs/Romeo Crennels/Hue Jacksons of season's past. I mean what the hell??‍♂️

  • N Neo

    Once again, late in the season with nothing to really play for. Lots of guy going down so this will be a time for somebody to step up and maybe we can find another diamond in the rough. As i said before I have already made my mind up about Watson, not going to panic, even if he comes out and throws 5 interceptions( would be unfortunate but). I'm going to give him the same time I gave Mayfield, all I'm looking for is improvement which I believe we will see. This is like his pre-season, if he comes out at the start of next season and stinks then I will be concerned. If he stinks 8 games into next season then I will panic. 

    Players aside, I want to see improvement out of the coaching staff. If these guys can't show any kind of ability to make adjustment then I say shit can them all and just hope the new guy doesn't gut the roster. The biggest thing holding this team back aside from injuries are these morons. I mean, Stefanski showed so much promise when he got here and then suddenly turned into the Pat Shurmurs/Romeo Crennels/Hue Jacksons of season's past. I mean what the hell??‍♂️

    @neo said:

    Players aside, I want to see improvement out of the coaching staff. If these guys can't show any kind of ability to make adjustment then I say shit can them all and just hope the new guy doesn't gut the roster. The biggest thing holding this team back aside from injuries are these morons. I mean, Stefanski showed so much promise when he got here and then suddenly turned into the Pat Shurmurs/Romeo Crennels/Hue Jacksons of season's past. I mean what the hell??‍♂️

    Do you sometimes this season get the impression that the coaching staff knows they are getting consistently outcoached, so that is why they do so many head-scratching moves in some kind of "let's compensate for being outcoached by outsmarting the other team!" act of desperation? 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @neo said:

    Players aside, I want to see improvement out of the coaching staff. If these guys can't show any kind of ability to make adjustment then I say shit can them all and just hope the new guy doesn't gut the roster. The biggest thing holding this team back aside from injuries are these morons. I mean, Stefanski showed so much promise when he got here and then suddenly turned into the Pat Shurmurs/Romeo Crennels/Hue Jacksons of season's past. I mean what the hell??‍♂️

    Do you sometimes this season get the impression that the coaching staff knows they are getting consistently outcoached, so that is why they do so many head-scratching moves in some kind of "let's compensate for being outcoached by outsmarting the other team!" act of desperation? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Do you sometimes this season get the impression that the coaching staff knows they are getting consistently outcoached, so that is why they do so many head-scratching moves in some kind of "let's compensate for being outcoached by outsmarting the other team!" act of desperation? 

    I'm not a big fan of the calls where people say, He's a genius if it works.  Just make a smart call.  But I DO remember having that feeling when Brian Dabol was here.  I felt like he was staying up late to come up with a 'creative' play each week because the media & everyone else wanted to run him out of town like a common pigmy.  (I'll refrain from posting Leslie Nielson and the Police Squad clip)  🙂 

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE

  • @ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

    I sold water purification technology into industry and science/medical facilities in the Pittsburgh area for 12 years of my career.

    Great people, very similar NE Ohioans, just a different region. Also played a lot of music in the area. They treated me like a king.

    However, geographically, the metro area is the gloomiest fucking part of the world I have ever been to. There are no parallel and perpendicular roads. The hills can make a 4 mile drive to get 1/4 mile from where you are.

    Pittsburgh really is a fucking shithole.

    Lol....well I was a mover for 14 years before I became a fireman/paramedic. Pittsburgh neighborhoods all seemed to be on a hill. You had to carry stuff uphill all day long, nothing's flat except the kitchen countertop.

    It's not really a bad city, some good eateries. I just can't stand the dreaded Steelers. D'Anoias is my favorite restaurant there.

    Karlis Missed
  • Kevin Grandheer@NFLGrandheer
    Browns HC Kevin Stefanski on Deshaun Watson "there are a lot of things Deshaun does better than Jacoby which makes it difficult to call plays."
    Dec 15, 2022 67 25View on X

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe
    Kevin Grandheer@NFLGrandheer
    Browns HC Kevin Stefanski on Deshaun Watson "there are a lot of things Deshaun does better than Jacoby which makes it difficult to call plays."
    Dec 15, 2022 67 25View on X

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

    @kvoethe said:

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @neo said:

    Players aside, I want to see improvement out of the coaching staff. If these guys can't show any kind of ability to make adjustment then I say shit can them all and just hope the new guy doesn't gut the roster. The biggest thing holding this team back aside from injuries are these morons. I mean, Stefanski showed so much promise when he got here and then suddenly turned into the Pat Shurmurs/Romeo Crennels/Hue Jacksons of season's past. I mean what the hell??‍♂️

    Do you sometimes this season get the impression that the coaching staff knows they are getting consistently outcoached, so that is why they do so many head-scratching moves in some kind of "let's compensate for being outcoached by outsmarting the other team!" act of desperation? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Do you sometimes this season get the impression that the coaching staff knows they are getting consistently outcoached, so that is why they do so many head-scratching moves in some kind of "let's compensate for being outcoached by outsmarting the other team!" act of desperation? 

    I think Stefanski outcoached himself at times. Like the TE screen to Njoku that worked the first time for minimal yards then got blown up a couple of players later because the LB recognized it. I think it was Lavante David in the Bucs game. As athletic as Njoku is and the only way you can try to get him involved is a TE screen?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @kvoethe said:

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    no shit i saw that what a fucking idiot

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @kvoethe said:

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    If this wasn't our favorite team - this stuff would be hilarious!

    Now I have one of Baker's male cheerleaders trying to educate me about how terrific Matthew Stafford's backup QB is in between cartwheels...  If McVay can get that kind of production out of a backup QB - just think would he could do with Watson.  

    I have to admit, one thing I wasn't expecting was to see our defense playing as well as they have in 3 of the last 4 weeks.  I don't even think were playing that bad in Cincy; if our Special Teams didn't rough the Punter after our defense forced them to punt deep in their own territory.  

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • FlugelF Flugel

    @dutch-oven said:

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    If this wasn't our favorite team - this stuff would be hilarious!

    Now I have one of Baker's male cheerleaders trying to educate me about how terrific Matthew Stafford's backup QB is in between cartwheels...  If McVay can get that kind of production out of a backup QB - just think would he could do with Watson.  

    I have to admit, one thing I wasn't expecting was to see our defense playing as well as they have in 3 of the last 4 weeks.  I don't even think were playing that bad in Cincy; if our Special Teams didn't rough the Punter after our defense forced them to punt deep in their own territory.  

    @flugel said:

    If this wasn't our favorite team - this stuff would be hilarious!

    Now I have one of Baker's male cheerleaders trying to educate me about how terrific Matthew Stafford's backup QB is in between cartwheels...  If McVay can get that kind of production out of a backup QB - just think would he could do with Watson.  

    I have to admit, one thing I wasn't expecting was to see our defense playing as well as they have in 3 of the last 4 weeks.  I don't even think were playing that bad in Cincy; if our Special Teams didn't rough the Punter after our defense forced them to punt deep in their own territory.  

    Then again, the Browns defense started slow last season, then played well down the stretch too.

    This year, they started in reverse and stayed that way for half the season, with virtually the same defensive roster. You are correct in saying that Woods was hamstrung when he was given such a bad interior DLine, but how completely lost the secondary was is on him. 

    Really proud of how the Browns played yesterday. A lot of teams would have rolled over and died in their position.

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  • Repeat after me…

    Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy.

  • S SdBacker80

    Repeat after me…

    Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Repeat after me…

    Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy.

    Hold up....

    Are you saying you are NOT a Joe Woods fan? 

  • it isn't a matter of "male cheerleader", it's a matter of facts.

    Baker, after week 14, has a higher qb rating than watson.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deshaun-watson-or-baker-mayfield-who-is-ranked-higher-in-nfl-quarterback-power-rankings-after-week-14/ar-AA15jcvn

    btw, both watson and Brissett have tremendous advantage with Amari Cooper. Two threads of Baker bashing, and some guys on here can't handle telling facts about Baker because "he's no longer with the team".

    Right.

    McVay can't teach watson how to have character and love the game.

    That is watson's downfall, off the field.

    He will never be the face of the frachise. For a lot of folks, whether or not he succeeds with the Browns

    won't matter as much as it would have, if the Browns had a true leader at qb.

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @kvoethe said:

    Wtf kevin does this mean??

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    That's as bad a quote as our secondary coach saying that the Bengals losing two of their starting receivers "made it harder to defend their offense". 

    I'm just done with this entire coaching staff. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Then again, the Browns defense started slow last season, then played well down the stretch too.

    This year, they started in reverse and stayed that way for half the season, with virtually the same defensive roster. You are correct in saying that Woods was hamstrung when he was given such a bad interior DLine, but how completely lost the secondary was is on him. 

    In order

    - Losing starters and replacing them with players who have little tape does accomplish one big thing, you lose whatever insight you had on play call tendency.  Sure, when receivers are out you generally tend to run the ball a bit more.  But with a QB like Joey Buckets, Taylor still has all the confidence in him to sling the rock all over even with Chase out.  So that element of anticipation of calls and route strengths, that coaches and players learn about their divisional opponents, isn't present.   Does it mean their team is better without Jamar? Hell no, but the quote isn't without a bit of merit.  

    - This defense started as fast as our opponents would allow.   It is no small coincidence when you look at games lost and points surrendered, then compare that with facing offenses who don't field a bottom 10 IOL and/or a backup QB.     They fought hard yesterday and it's a testament to them not quitting, but they still are what they are.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Repeat after me…

    Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy. Joe Woods is not the guy.

    It was crazy watching the Niners front the other day.  In those same over calls that the Browns show, San Fran executed and manhandled the Seahawks line end to end.  Design is one thing, but no design trumps just having better talent across the board.  

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