2023 Off-Season Free Agent moves/signings
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My comment was meant to be cheeky, nothing more. No reason to take it that far.
Your mentioning of the CIN WR's corps, while they are good, isn't what sets them apart from us. So the comment was a bit short sighted and I pointed out what the real difference was. However you forget that the Browns have a superior Oline, RB, TE and DB situation in comparison. When Chase was out, the Browns DB's and pass rush was up to the task of winning the day. So was that youtube video a good bit of hyperbole? Sure. Was it entirely inaccurate? No.
Let's stay on topic in my threads. Thanks.
We were on topic... I was bustin your balls a bit... Secondly.,.. You don't own this site.. Or this thread... All you did was author it... After that... In my eyes Digressing and anything else that comes along is fair game... Be a man... Grow a pair and quit acting like a Karen ... Have a nice day..
We were on topic... I was bustin your balls a bit... Secondly.,.. You don't own this site.. Or this thread... All you did was author it... After that... In my eyes Digressing and anything else that comes along is fair game... Be a man... Grow a pair and quit acting like a Karen ... Have a nice day..
Neat.
Anywho, late round RB is absolutely in play given that DJ is now gone. That leaves Chubb and Ford with nothing else behind them, seeing that Felton has spent the overwhelming majority of his time in the WR room. Doesn't mean it will happen, but I could see it.
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In this draft, the guys we draft may not be a need today, but they might in a few years.
An example would be back. Chubbs days are numbered. We have Ford, but not much young after that. When you examine berry's drafts, in some cases he seems to be drafted a year ahead of what he sees as a future need.
I think you should draft a RB when you need one. It's not one of those positions that needs a couple of years to learn. Nope. You plug 'em right in, tell him what hole to hit and give him the ball.
I think you should draft a RB when you need one. It's not one of those positions that needs a couple of years to learn. Nope. You plug 'em right in, tell him what hole to hit and give him the ball.
You have a point well taken. Backs is one of those position where that can happen. I still don't think it hurts to have them a year early. You kind of erase that learning to be a pro. But again, maybe using a back in my example wasn't the most thought out point I could make.
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names I keep seeing are..
Matt Ioannidis/Frank Clark/*Calais Campbell/ to pricey with some *injury risk imo
Poona Ford or A'Shawn Robinson (age 28) may fit a cap of 8M left..Teams pending market/draft
The ageing swing T George Fant maybe a mid/low cost band-aide at Tackle?
Draft slots projected to cost 1.2M.
LB has names left of.. while most played OLB
- LB RASHAAN EVANS played w/Schwartz at Tenn., might be $$
- LB BEN NIEMANN
- LB JAYLON SMITH
i was reading a pluto article this morning and he said we have 10 million left to spend and as of june 1st we get another 9 million
i was reading a pluto article this morning and he said we have 10 million left to spend and as of june 1st we get another 9 million
Not sure if this references the same article, but apparently, we are not done adding to the D by means other than the draft. Would fit in with the apparent lack of roster space to sign our remaining picks.
Report: Browns ‘shopping’ for more defensive linemen, safety
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We will find out about Ford. Probably some rookie as well. I love Chubb and know everybody does, but to me he isn't the ideal back with Watson and the O we will transition towards. Chubb probably won't get another contract with the team and might even be tradable after the season. Maybe even the trade deadline if Ford balls out.
As for Clowney, again, just a part of me. I know it probably won't or shouldn't happen. i just feel he was way under appreciated. He didn't put up the sack totals some hoped for, but the guy could set the edge and backs didn't get around his end unless they dipped way south to get around the guy. I am afraid we are going to miss him.
I'd bet money that Schwartz has said something about the possibilities of getting him back.
We will find out about Ford. Probably some rookie as well. I love Chubb and know everybody does, but to me he isn't the ideal back with Watson and the O we will transition towards. Chubb probably won't get another contract with the team and might even be tradable after the season. Maybe even the trade deadline if Ford balls out.
As for Clowney, again, just a part of me. I know it probably won't or shouldn't happen. i just feel he was way under appreciated. He didn't put up the sack totals some hoped for, but the guy could set the edge and backs didn't get around his end unless they dipped way south to get around the guy. I am afraid we are going to miss him.
I'd bet money that Schwartz has said something about the possibilities of getting him back.
After joining us from the TN Titans where he had 0 sacks in 8 games (and Seattle the year before with 3 sacks in 13 games), he had a nice 1st season with us 9 sacks in 14 games. With the good comes the bad though. 2 of his last 3 teams didn't think he was worth overpaying after his 1st year. Cleveland did and rather than being a solution or a leader as a well paid veteran - he chose to be part of the problem. We had a rookie like Winfrey that could have used some good veteran leadership on how to be a professional. Instead of Clowney proving WHY the Browns needed to sign him to a 1 year $10,000,000 contract including an $8,000,000 signing bonus and $9,250,000 guaranteed - he insulted teammates and coaching staff to the media. Stuff like that and his one and dones with TN and Seattle are probably why nobody wants him until desperation comes knocking.
I think the millisecond Schwartz sees the long time vet lining up offsides twice in 1 game (with one of those on something like 3rd and 4) and a couple other times within a 1 month span, he's gonna wonder why there's such a disconnect with his focus or care for that matter. Clowney has the athleticism most teams are looking for but the empty inner chest nullifies that. When you add a FA like this and there's adversity - he's the type that's not going to want to risk injury/jeopardize the rest of his career suiting up for the Browns.
I'm saying all that mainly because I think we can get a much better bang for the buck moving forward.
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We were on topic... I was bustin your balls a bit... Secondly.,.. You don't own this site.. Or this thread... All you did was author it... After that... In my eyes Digressing and anything else that comes along is fair game... Be a man... Grow a pair and quit acting like a Karen ... Have a nice day..
Neat.
Anywho, late round RB is absolutely in play given that DJ is now gone. That leaves Chubb and Ford with nothing else behind them, seeing that Felton has spent the overwhelming majority of his time in the WR room. Doesn't mean it will happen, but I could see it.
Neat.
Anywho, late round RB is absolutely in play given that DJ is now gone. That leaves Chubb and Ford with nothing else behind them, seeing that Felton has spent the overwhelming majority of his time in the WR room. Doesn't mean it will happen, but I could see it.
Refresh my memory on Ford, was he injured or did he just play on special teams last season?
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Neat.
Anywho, late round RB is absolutely in play given that DJ is now gone. That leaves Chubb and Ford with nothing else behind them, seeing that Felton has spent the overwhelming majority of his time in the WR room. Doesn't mean it will happen, but I could see it.
Refresh my memory on Ford, was he injured or did he just play on special teams last season?
Refresh my memory on Ford, was he injured or did he just play on special teams last season?
Both.
Edit: speaking of backs. Musgrave has a history, much like young (and old) Shanny of really utilizing a fullback in his offenses.
Wouldn't be surprised if we look at that as a possibility in the 7th, priority UDFA or FA itself.
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Browns add depth to OL, sign veteran Ohio native
NFL free agency continues with Wes Martin reportedly joining the Browns
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Expected nothing less..
Outside media markets, only want to talk about this trade from the Jets side ?.. Packers still not budging that cap number
In division..
Lamar wants out.. not a team wants to do what the Ravens could have done in years past.
Bengals & Stoolers still have other OL issues.
AFCN sleeping giant ? ?
In division..
Lamar wants out.. not a team wants to do what the Ravens could have done in years past.
Bengals & Stoolers still have other OL issues.
AFCN sleeping giant ? ?
Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
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In division..
Lamar wants out.. not a team wants to do what the Ravens could have done in years past.
Bengals & Stoolers still have other OL issues.
AFCN sleeping giant ? ?
Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
And he's made of porcelain...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
In division..
Lamar wants out.. not a team wants to do what the Ravens could have done in years past.
Bengals & Stoolers still have other OL issues.
AFCN sleeping giant ? ?
Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
If I was Harbaugh.. I'd ship his as$, to hottest desert in Arizona for Kyler & D-hop..
Ozzie Newsome needs to run away from Baltimore.. ?
Deal Jack'o & retire for reel ?
one sides got a nice roster paid.. the other wants ridiculous money for his past performance
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Lamar is more stupid than he looks. The Rats offered him 130 mil guaranteed, instead of all of it and he turned it down. He hadn't played a full season in 3 years. In a way I hope the Ravens give in. He sucks.
If I was Harbaugh.. I'd ship his as$, to hottest desert in Arizona for Kyler & D-hop..
Ozzie Newsome needs to run away from Baltimore.. ?
Deal Jack'o & retire for reel ?
one sides got a nice roster paid.. the other wants ridiculous money for his past performance
If I was Harbaugh.. I'd ship his as$, to hottest desert in Arizona for Kyler & D-hop..
Ozzie Newsome needs to run away from Baltimore.. ?
Deal Jack'o & retire for reel ?
one sides got a nice roster paid.. the other wants ridiculous money for his past performance
Ozzie doesn't run the ship anymore... Eric DeCosta does...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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In addition to all of the FAs the Browns signed from other teams - I like it when they re-sign FAs that were already here for the sake of continuity and proven productivity within. I think we resigned 5 guys. Here's the 5 I know of:
1. The LBer we got from Seattle last year #51 Jordan Kunaszyk set career highs in tackles and games played in 2022 with the Browns. He's also one of those special team guys with a stunt man's mind set "how many alligators do you want me to wrestle on this play coach?" I think Bubba is going to like this guy a lot.
2. LBer - Sione Takitaki. I still think back to our 11-5 season when a lot of us were most worried about the LBer Corps heading into that season. He made some HUGE plays down the stretch and in the playoffs. He was also pretty solid for us last year filling in.
3. Center - Ethan Pocic. Another guy that was previously with Seattle. He came over here like Hank Fraley did in the sense his previous team didn't need him any more. The only difference was we had to trade for Fraley (who is now the OL Coach for the Detroit Lions). Like Fraley, the savvy vet proved he could pull, trap and make all the line calls.
4. CB - AJ Green. An experienced back-up that gives us solid depth. At 6'2" and 198 lbs - he has a similar frame to that of Martin Emerson (who uses his frame well for press coverage).
5. LBer - Anthony Walker - Very productive leader for us on defense. It'll be nice to see an improved defensive line in front of him to make him even more productive than he has already been under the circumstances.
Some are better known than others; but film has a way of making them known enough to their position coaches...
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Hawks just repealed their RFA tender to Ryan Neal. I know we went after and landed Thornhill, but I can't help but think how great it would be to land a kid like Neal on the cheap.
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If I was Harbaugh.. I'd ship his as$, to hottest desert in Arizona for Kyler & D-hop..
Ozzie Newsome needs to run away from Baltimore.. ?
Deal Jack'o & retire for reel ?
one sides got a nice roster paid.. the other wants ridiculous money for his past performance
Ozzie doesn't run the ship anymore... Eric DeCosta does...
Ozzie doesn't run the ship anymore... Eric DeCosta does...
He's still helping them though Nicks. He's probably trained and developed everyone there that is in charge of important decisions. He may be retired, but he was in the Rats' booth at the combines with a stop watch when the prospects were running their 40s. You don't do that if you're not still connected. My guess is that organization still leans on him as their go-to consultant.
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Ozzie doesn't run the ship anymore... Eric DeCosta does...
He's still helping them though Nicks. He's probably trained and developed everyone there that is in charge of important decisions. He may be retired, but he was in the Rats' booth at the combines with a stop watch when the prospects were running their 40s. You don't do that if you're not still connected. My guess is that organization still leans on him as their go-to consultant.
He's still helping them though Nicks. He's probably trained and developed everyone there that is in charge of important decisions. He may be retired, but he was in the Rats' booth at the combines with a stop watch when the prospects were running their 40s. You don't do that if you're not still connected. My guess is that organization still leans on him as their go-to consultant.
Yes , I knew he was still a part time consultant...
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Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
And we'll still be 7-10... Watch!..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
IMO, the reason this franchise has had so much trouble winning from 1999-2022 is because it's never been able to build through the draft. I remember Phil Savage saying, he's here to improve how this franchise does with the draft; and that leaning too much on free agency is usually a sign of trouble. He said Ozzie taught him you build your team through the draft. Let me get this out of the way right now. YES, Phil Savage somehow found a 6'6" All Galaxy Left Tackle named Joe Thomas standing on our doorstep at #3 overall and drafted him. Let's not pretend that was like finding a needle in a haystack. Outside of hat, the failed in the draft so much - the increasing volume of bare cupboards caused him to lean on free agency just as much the FOs before him had to. It became the reason he was eventually released. When you're already overpaying too many free agents that count against your cap - your team is FUBAR when that group has an injury volume
TODAY, when you trade and lean on free agency so much that you subtract 3 consecutive 1st round draft picks along with 2 consecutive 2nd round draft picks - you've surrendered 5 golden opportunities to add strong prospects under a rookie salary cap restriction for a healthier salary cap. Not only that, but these aren't 1 year investments only - so there's a foundation for continuity being crumbled. That is, IF you have a FO that is good at the draft. If we don't have a FO that's good at the draft - we get to watch the 3 other teams in our division going to the playoffs and/or Super Bowl instead of our team. The ONLY 2 starters on offense this FO drafted are Jedrick Wills-he-or-won't-he block somebody (at #10 overall); and DPJ in round 6 (with congrats to the blind squirrel finding a nut).
I always remember that Cheers episode where the Psychiatrist (Frasier Crane) who was in a bar slamming depressants and running with scissors after a full day of listening to Red Sox fans belly up on his couch whining about the Yankees. Then again, it might have just been because he and HIPAA had to protect poor Bill Buckner. Is it possible the curse really ended because Frasier moved to Seattle? God only knows.
Despite everything I said above - I found myself admiring Berry's response to adversity recently. He's trying to fight his way out of the corner he chose to get into. IMO, this draft will decide his future in Cleveland. I wonder why Paul Depodesta's ass isn't on the line. Oh yeah, Jimmy Haslam is the owner. Walked right into that one...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Good writeup of 6 non-Browns offseasons
And let's stop the "we won the offseason"s now.. Sure, being better at our weaknesses is good stuff, but the thing missing so far that is present in each of these 6:
Quality vet signings at each weakness position for 1yr/under $6 who are only backups.
Focus now on the depth, we know the injuries will happen..
IMO, the reason this franchise has had so much trouble winning from 1999-2022 is because it's never been able to build through the draft. I remember Phil Savage saying, he's here to improve how this franchise does with the draft; and that leaning too much on free agency is usually a sign of trouble. He said Ozzie taught him you build your team through the draft. Let me get this out of the way right now. YES, Phil Savage somehow found a 6'6" All Galaxy Left Tackle named Joe Thomas standing on our doorstep at #3 overall and drafted him. Let's not pretend that was like finding a needle in a haystack. Outside of hat, the failed in the draft so much - the increasing volume of bare cupboards caused him to lean on free agency just as much the FOs before him had to. It became the reason he was eventually released. When you're already overpaying too many free agents that count against your cap - your team is FUBAR when that group has an injury volume
TODAY, when you trade and lean on free agency so much that you subtract 3 consecutive 1st round draft picks along with 2 consecutive 2nd round draft picks - you've surrendered 5 golden opportunities to add strong prospects under a rookie salary cap restriction for a healthier salary cap. Not only that, but these aren't 1 year investments only - so there's a foundation for continuity being crumbled. That is, IF you have a FO that is good at the draft. If we don't have a FO that's good at the draft - we get to watch the 3 other teams in our division going to the playoffs and/or Super Bowl instead of our team. The ONLY 2 starters on offense this FO drafted are Jedrick Wills-he-or-won't-he block somebody (at #10 overall); and DPJ in round 6 (with congrats to the blind squirrel finding a nut).
I always remember that Cheers episode where the Psychiatrist (Frasier Crane) who was in a bar slamming depressants and running with scissors after a full day of listening to Red Sox fans belly up on his couch whining about the Yankees. Then again, it might have just been because he and HIPAA had to protect poor Bill Buckner. Is it possible the curse really ended because Frasier moved to Seattle? God only knows.
Despite everything I said above - I found myself admiring Berry's response to adversity recently. He's trying to fight his way out of the corner he chose to get into. IMO, this draft will decide his future in Cleveland. I wonder why Paul Depodesta's ass isn't on the line. Oh yeah, Jimmy Haslam is the owner. Walked right into that one...
I wonder why Paul Depodesta's ass isn't on the line. Oh yeah, Jimmy Haslam is the owner. Walked right into that one...
Heresy, Heresy!! Burn the witch!?
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