Tale of the Tape - Browns vs Steelers
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Considering all the fouls Hudson commits, this improves our odds considerably:
Considering all the fouls Hudson commits, this improves our odds considerably:
I knew I could count on KD to bring us some good news!
Having said that, the last time the Browns played Pittsburgh it looked like he had so much to learn in pass pro. On the other hand, Bill Callahan is our OL Coach and Jones was talented enough to be an All American (which means he was moldable clay for an elite OL Coach).
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Starting ILBs out.
Starting DBs out.
Adams out.
Mini Iron Head with a groin strain.
I haven't seen an invite to go up the middle like that since I had the entire varsity cheerleadering squad over at our Halloween party.
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Starting ILBs out.
Starting DBs out.
Adams out.
Mini Iron Head with a groin strain.
I haven't seen an invite to go up the middle like that since I had the entire varsity cheerleadering squad over at our Halloween party.
I haven't seen an invite to go up the middle like that since I had the entire varsity cheerleadering squad over at our Halloween party.
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I honestly don’t think this game should even be close, the browns are better than the Steelers across the board - and Pickett is pretty close to DTR, not like it’s fat Ben out there.
But it’s a divisional game against the Steelers so, all bets are off.
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Stefanski has had to play quarterback by committee, RB by committee, and OT by committee pretty much all year and we are sitting at 6-3. We play the Steelers tomorrow who has a QB that isn't much better than anything we fielded this season and we have the best defense in the NFL. We have the chance to be 7-3 so I say, let's fck'n GO!
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I would rather see Watson, who is 0-3 against PIT.
Steelers are a bad team. They pull wins out of their ass and get help from the officials.
I expect CLE to win this one.
I would rather see Watson, who is 0-3 against PIT.
Steelers are a bad team. They pull wins out of their ass and get help from the officials.
I expect CLE to win this one.
Well, Mr. Mellon, I expect the Browns to win also. But whenever I get a strong feeling about a Browns game one way or the other, I'm usually dead wrong.
Now regarding your Steelers, I agree they're doing it with smoke and mirrors- and turnovers at exactly the right time. Watson throwing a pick six on the first play is a good example, as well as last week Love tossing an ill advised pass into the end zone for an interception when they were driving for the winning score.
As to our Browns, I commend Stefanski for starting DTR over PJ Walker- who is one inaccurate, 1 td to 5 interceptions gawdawful qb. Tries hard, but what would you expect from an XFL practice squad quarterback? Dorian had a horrendous game against the Ravens, but he had 2 hours to get ready for that game after running the scout team all week. He was impressive enough in preseason to convince Andrew Berry that Josh Dobbs was expendable. The good news on our side is Dawand Jones says he's healthy enough to play RT, he's on an upswing getting tutelage from the best OL coach in the business Callahan. We certainly won't miss not seeing Minkah Fitzpatrick out there either.
So, from my POV the outcome is pretty clear... The team that wins the turnover battle will come out on top.
PS- even should the Steelers lose, they're far from out of it making the playoffs. You still have two games on tap against the Bengals, minus Joe Burrow. For any of us MHO the division is out of reach, short of Lamar Jackson breaking his leg.
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Cleveland Browns
Player Injury Wed 11/15 Thu 11/16 Fri 11/17 Game Status
Matthew Adams, LB Not Injury Related - Personal Matter -- DNP -- --
David Bell, WR Knee Limited Limited Full --
Joel Bitonio, OG Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- --
Amari Cooper, WR Not Injury Related - Resting Player,ankle DNP -- -- --
Grant Delpit, DB Not Injury Related - Resting Player,shoulder DNP Limited Full --
Michael Dunn, OG Calf Full Full Full (11/17) Questionable vs Pit
Marquise Goodwin, WR Concussion DNP DNP DNP (11/17) Out vs Pit
Dawand Jones, OT Knee DNP Limited Limited (11/17) Questionable vs Pit
Rodney McLeod, DB Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- --
Greg Newsome, DB Groin Limited Full Full --
David Njoku, TE Not Injury Related - Resting Player,knee DNP Limited Full --
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, DE Groin Limited Limited Full --
Za'Darius Smith, DE Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- --
Pierre Strong, RB Hamstring Full Full Full --
Wyatt Teller, OG Ankle DNP Full Full --
Juan Thornhill, DB Calf DNP DNP DNP (11/17) Out vs Pit
Anthony Walker, LB Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- --
Denzel Ward, DB Neck Limited Full Full --
Alex Wright, DE Knee Limited Full Full --------
It's hard to have much confidence when you have to start a rookie 5th round pick at QB against the Steelers.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Player Injury Wed 11/15 Thu 11/16 Fri 11/17 Game Status
Montravius Adams, DT Ankle DNP DNP DNP (11/17) Out @ Cle
Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB Hamstring DNP DNP DNP (11/17) Out @ Cle
Pat Freiermuth, TE Hamstring Limited Full Full (11/17) Questionable @ Cle
Cameron Heyward, DT Groin DNP Limited Limited --
Diontae Johnson, WR Thumb DNP Full Full --
Keanu Neal, DB Rib DNP DNP DNP (11/17) Out @ Cle
Patrick Peterson, DB Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- --
Isaac Seumalo, OG Not Injury Related - Resting Player DNP -- -- ---------
Standings - Detailed View
AFC NORTH W L T PCT PF PA Net Pts Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Strk Last 5Baltimore Ravens
8 3 0 0.727 304 177 127 4 - 2 - 0 4 - 1 - 0 3 - 2 - 0 0.600 5 - 3 - 0 0.625 3 - 0 - 0 1W 4 - 1 - 0Pittsburgh Steelers
6 3 0 0.667 156 182 -26 4 - 2 - 0 2 - 1 - 0 2 - 0 - 0 1.000 4 - 2 - 0 0.667 2 - 1 - 0 2W 4 - 1 - 0Cleveland Browns
6 3 0 0.667 214 170 44 4 - 1 - 0 2 - 2 - 0 2 - 2 - 0 0.500 4 - 2 - 0 0.667 2 - 1 - 0 2W 4 - 1 - 0So, we're 2-2 in the division. The Steelers are 2-0. And the Ravens 3-2. We have to feed the Steelers a division loss.
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I'm looking at these numbers and I'm trying to figure out how the Steelers are 6-3. They rank in the bottom 10 in every category.....except takeaways. So....I guess teams GIVE them wins.
With Watson out, Tomlin is going to think that we'll need to run the ball in order to win. So he will sell out to stop the run. And on passing downs he'll blitz the rookie QB and attack our backup Tackles. So, what do we do? Do we take the bait and try to beat them with the pass (when we don't actually have a passing game)? Or do we bite the bullet and try to impose our will in the running game?
Let's just say that we're not going to make the playoffs because of the loss of our QB (RT, LT, RB, etc.).....then there is no bigger game on the schedule than this one. The hated Steelers....at home! More need not be said.
I'm looking at these numbers and I'm trying to figure out how the Steelers are 6-3. They rank in the bottom 10 in every category.....except takeaways. So....I guess teams GIVE them wins.
This is where our running game and passing game ranked in Mid November. Running game ranked 3rd passing game ranked 29th. Before this, I reposted the Mid-October Tale of the Tape that showed the Browns running game only ranked 16th while the passing game ranked 32nd at the time.
Why all that? Because our running game eventually got itself all the way up to a #2 ranking between November 15th and today. I say that because I think there's a lot of unfair criticism aimed at the RBs trying to make the best of an interior offensive line that only had 1 starter remaining in the lineup last week and just 2 starters left the 2-3 games before that. Do they make mistakes? Of course. That said, the numbers reflect the running game has been more reliable than the passing game for much of the season. The record shows we CAN win with the Backs we have while Chubb has been out. Our biggest concern on offense is the health of the OL right now. I'm hoping we can get Pocic and Bitonio back out there soon.
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