Browns Sign Joe Flacco to Practice Squad
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After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve.
Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit.
If i had a complaint of the RB personal package's used on Sunday?
RB Pierre Strong Jr. vision/hands are the better choice than Ford's when it comes to safe check down/screen passes.. Strong only saw 3-4 offensive snaps Sunday. that was Strong's strongest feature in the Patriots offense besides kick returner.. not that 9 man fronts, wouldn't have figured this out though.. but we didn't try it either with those low snap counts
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After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve.
Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
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This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
The rumor is the browns were extremely impressed with Flacco’s workout. My guess is the rookie will be on an extremely short leash, throwing it 30 times behind the line of scrimmage ain’t gonna cut it going forward. Gonna have to see him test the broncos second level
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And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
The rumor is the browns were extremely impressed with Flacco’s workout. My guess is the rookie will be on an extremely short leash, throwing it 30 times behind the line of scrimmage ain’t gonna cut it going forward. Gonna have to see him test the broncos second level
The rumor is the browns were extremely impressed with Flacco’s workout. My guess is the rookie will be on an extremely short leash, throwing it 30 times behind the line of scrimmage ain’t gonna cut it going forward. Gonna have to see him test the broncos second level
Don't you know Flacco is just drooling to get in there with a defense like this backing him up.
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After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve.
Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
Actually it was explained on the days leading up to the game. Tomlin was going to try and take away our running game. That's how we should be defended.
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Not taking away anything from what was a solid game-winning drive, but also I remember at some point in the 4th, they showed that we had only 23 yards total offense in the 2nd half. And that came against a banged up secondary. If that doesn't demonstrate that DTR isn't ready to be starting QB, then what will?
It seems it is going to take a crushing defeat, or injury to get Flacco under center. I wouldn't like to see either.
DTR is without a doubt not ready as they prepared the other QBs not him, but they also had him under a tight leash so it's not accurate stating what he didn't do down field against a banged up secondary. Steelers D is always tough regardless, and if you want to take Watt out of the game(which we had to as he owns us), you have to get rid of the ball quicker. Plus they had Heywood back that was missing from our first meeting.
I don't know about anyone else, but going into this game I was thinking we just have to contain the turnovers and allow our defense to dictate the game. I think there were a couple throws that looked like pick 6s and we got lucky. This is why I don't fault Stef for appearing not to take chances and in the end we got the W. However, 1 mistake and we could easily lose, luckily we recovered from the one interception.
After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve. What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
I hate the Ravens, especially now that they are ahead of us in our division. I really hate bringing the ex Raven in here at QB position, but at the same time I like the move.
After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve. What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
I hate the Ravens, especially now that they are ahead of us in our division. I really hate bringing the ex Raven in here at QB position, but at the same time I like the move.
To beat a dead horse, or Bronco many have pointed out the Steelers were stacking the box with 9 men all day... and they continued to do it all game. You beat that throwing over the top. As was pointed out Kev didn't let DTR throw a pass more than 15 yards all game. ? I 1\2 buy the excuse that Stef was petrified Watt or Highsmith were going to cause a game changing strip sack.
And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
Of course Denver will try to copy the Steelers game plan. The huge difference there Tex is the Broncos defense is DEAD LAST in the NFL in yards allowed, and 5.5 yards per carry. Stay tuned to see if that trend continues Sunday.
& PS I'm of the opinion that DTR's leash is a lot longer than some others here are giving him. The way this crazy season is playing out, there's no gimme games anymore, but as I've said elsewhere- 3-4 the rest of the way out should punch the Browns ticket to the playoffs.
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After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve. What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
I hate the Ravens, especially now that they are ahead of us in our division. I really hate bringing the ex Raven in here at QB position, but at the same time I like the move.
To beat a dead horse, or Bronco many have pointed out the Steelers were stacking the box with 9 men all day... and they continued to do it all game. You beat that throwing over the top. As was pointed out Kev didn't let DTR throw a pass more than 15 yards all game. ? I 1\2 buy the excuse that Stef was petrified Watt or Highsmith were going to cause a game changing strip sack.
And we can count on Denver to do exactly what Pitt did, dare them to throw by stacking the box and max pressuring the rookie QB. Flacco better be well prepared by coaching staff to take over on short notice.
Of course Denver will try to copy the Steelers game plan. The huge difference there Tex is the Broncos defense is DEAD LAST in the NFL in yards allowed, and 5.5 yards per carry. Stay tuned to see if that trend continues Sunday.
& PS I'm of the opinion that DTR's leash is a lot longer than some others here are giving him. The way this crazy season is playing out, there's no gimme games anymore, but as I've said elsewhere- 3-4 the rest of the way out should punch the Browns ticket to the playoffs.
To beat a dead horse, or Bronco many have pointed out the Steelers were stacking the box with 9 men all day... and they continued to do it all game. You beat that throwing over the top. As was pointed out Kev didn't let DTR throw a pass more than 15 yards all game. ? I 1\2 buy the excuse that Stef was petrified Watt or Highsmith were going to cause a game changing strip sack.
Of course Denver will try to copy the Steelers game plan. The huge difference there Tex is the Broncos defense is DEAD LAST in the NFL in yards allowed, and 5.5 yards per carry. Stay tuned to see if that trend continues Sunday.
& PS I'm of the opinion that DTR's leash is a lot longer than some others here are giving him. The way this crazy season is playing out, there's no gimme games anymore, but as I've said elsewhere- 3-4 the rest of the way out should punch the Browns ticket to the playoffs.
To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
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To beat a dead horse, or Bronco many have pointed out the Steelers were stacking the box with 9 men all day... and they continued to do it all game. You beat that throwing over the top. As was pointed out Kev didn't let DTR throw a pass more than 15 yards all game. ? I 1\2 buy the excuse that Stef was petrified Watt or Highsmith were going to cause a game changing strip sack.
Of course Denver will try to copy the Steelers game plan. The huge difference there Tex is the Broncos defense is DEAD LAST in the NFL in yards allowed, and 5.5 yards per carry. Stay tuned to see if that trend continues Sunday.
& PS I'm of the opinion that DTR's leash is a lot longer than some others here are giving him. The way this crazy season is playing out, there's no gimme games anymore, but as I've said elsewhere- 3-4 the rest of the way out should punch the Browns ticket to the playoffs.
To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
More importantly if you just look at their last 4 games, they are playing far differently than the 1st 6. The coaching change is paying off.
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To beat a dead horse, or Bronco many have pointed out the Steelers were stacking the box with 9 men all day... and they continued to do it all game. You beat that throwing over the top. As was pointed out Kev didn't let DTR throw a pass more than 15 yards all game. ? I 1\2 buy the excuse that Stef was petrified Watt or Highsmith were going to cause a game changing strip sack.
Of course Denver will try to copy the Steelers game plan. The huge difference there Tex is the Broncos defense is DEAD LAST in the NFL in yards allowed, and 5.5 yards per carry. Stay tuned to see if that trend continues Sunday.
& PS I'm of the opinion that DTR's leash is a lot longer than some others here are giving him. The way this crazy season is playing out, there's no gimme games anymore, but as I've said elsewhere- 3-4 the rest of the way out should punch the Browns ticket to the playoffs.
To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
Yes, true.... See below...
More importantly if you just look at their last 4 games, they are playing far differently than the 1st 6. The coaching change is paying off.
Can't forget that they beat the Chiefs in that stretch either... But for the sake of argument you're both right. Tossing out the anomaly where they got boat raced by the Dolphins to the tune of 350 rushing yards, they're averaging a much more respectable 138 ypg rushing. It's what you can on do on a rainy day when you're retired with nothing much going on. ?
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After this, hopefully DTR can look at film, learn and improve.
Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
What concerns me is our run game, we seemed to be shut down and I don't really remember too many games all season where we couldn't be a threat running.
This has been explained by others. They were playing 9 up front for most of the second half, and even their corners were constantly trying to get in between the ball and the receiver. Only on 3rd and long did they get away from the LOS a bit. The only way to beat that is over the top. In the absence of that, other teams will kill our run game the same way.
We need a QB that can throw 50 yard passes with accuracy, when needed. The only QB under contract with the Browns who can do that is Flacco. Plain and simple.
Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
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To be fair, if you take away the Miami game the Denver numbers are much better. That one was such a giant anomaly that it ruined their stats for the season.
More importantly if you just look at their last 4 games, they are playing far differently than the 1st 6. The coaching change is paying off.
More importantly if you just look at their last 4 games, they are playing far differently than the 1st 6. The coaching change is paying off.
I think Denver right now - especially on the road - is every bit a tough game for the Browns than Pittsburgh was Sunday.
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More importantly if you just look at their last 4 games, they are playing far differently than the 1st 6. The coaching change is paying off.
I think Denver right now - especially on the road - is every bit a tough game for the Browns than Pittsburgh was Sunday.
I think Denver right now - especially on the road - is every bit a tough game for the Browns than Pittsburgh was Sunday.
Think every game left will be just as tough as the Pittsburgh one, unless DTR suddenly reaches enlightenment or something. This offense is going to have to figure out how to score points, even with a top defense, they won’t be holding the non Kenny Pickett teams to 10 points often.
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Didn't suggest to cut him, did I? I hope he learns and improves, over the years.
Just making a point from the perspective of a team that is on the verge of making the play-offs, which is something not all that common for the Browns. DTR showed Sunday that he is not going to take us there. Too raw; too inexperienced; too nervous; too inaccurate.
He did not produce any offense for most of the second half, but did turn the ball over. That's just a matter of fact.
Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
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So out of curiousity, I looked up Flacco's stats for 2022 with the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets.
In almost 200 attempts (a pretty good sample size) he was neither accurate (57% completion) or someone who was throwing the ball downfield (a meager 5.5 yards/attempt).
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Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
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Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
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1) It's been suggested DTR didn't throw deep because Stefanski wouldn't let him throw deep. Having his receivers drop seven passes that hit them in the hands didn't help either. I've been screaming about Kev's turtle ball game plan. Not only were the Steelers playing nine in the box, they were sitting on the short routes too. FWIW, DTR SHOULD have plenty of arm. The combine jugs gun said his release speed was up in the Josh Allen range. So let's see how DTR does in Denver before we call him a lost cause.
2) Flacco shake off rust? More like finds the fountain of youth. There's a reason the Jets didn't give him a call when Rodgers went down. They had seen enough of Joe, and were of the opinion he's not very good. Even career wise, that's pretty much true.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
1) I think @tiamat63's assessment that his high throws put the fear of god into the coaching staff is probably pretty accurate. They had him on a leash, because they were terrified of giving the steelers a big play. They know Pitt's top-tier edge rushers, they saw what DTR deep balls looked like against baltimore, saw some higher throws and they went full conservative. The rookie did make a few nice throws on the game winning drive though, when unleashed. By then PITT wasn't stacking the box as much anymore, too.
DTR has an NFL arm, his deep accuracy and decision making are question marks though.
Can't call DTR a lost cause even if Denver is bad, he's a 5th round project guy - pretty rarely you see those guys step into the NFL and succeed in their rookie year. Need time in the oven and good coaching to develop the rawness. Part of why he dropped so much is he was in college for 5 years, guess teams lose some hope on developing 24-year old prospects.
2) Tbh, I think the Jets would absolutely love Flacco over the options they have now - besides Rodgers. I think based on seeing Flacco last year he still has enough in the tank, but I'd rather see the rookie go on a miracle run.
I'm just not optimistic about DTR, love his personality and attitude - just don't think he's ready to compete at a high level in the NFL, yet. The word on the street is the Browns love Flacco, they will call his name sooner rather than later if needed.
DTR needs a season or 2 under his belt before you can make an honest eval on the kid.. I like his attitude and willingness to work hard... Dare I say it... I think he has more potench than Jenny Pickett!
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Didn't respond to you as if you wanted to cut him either. You couldn't understand not going deep or making throws down field on a banged up secondary. I'm not saying he could if he wanted to but neither can we judge his performance as that clearly wasn't in their plans. A lot of good teams with their starters in full force even get in a rut and produce no offense at times. That's expected from someone just stepping in to face a division rival with the quality the Steelers D brings. You simply can't judge his performance because he didn't put up 400 yards of offense each half.
All that other crap is to be seen. Of course ideally we could give him years to improve but we don't have that option so we need him to do just what he did and hopefully a little better next time.
You think Steelers are the first team to stack the box?
Look man, you said your major concern was the Steelers completely shutting down our run game in the 2nd. As stated, the reason is twofold: their defensive adjustments, and DTR's inability/ refusal to throw anything over the top, the latter you inexplicably disputed. Those two reasons resulted in no offense and an INT for most of that half. You can't win football games like that, and it is a miracle we did.
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
Basically, we are a serviceable QB shy of a team that can not only reach the play-offs, but win games when we do. I have a deep seeded desire to see that, but have no faith that DTR is that QB (for the foreseeable future), and some hope Flacco is!
Not only am I not surprised the Steelers stacked the box, I am convinced others will follow their lead. That will have similar results as long as DTR is under center. If Flacco shakes off any rust quickly, he is the answer. Look at those YouTube highlights.
This. The video I posted was only a year ago. He was carving up the Browns secondary with ease, and he has a couple passes to Elijah Moore, which is also a plus. Because we already have a receiver that he's familiar with. I don't think Joe lost it yet, just needs to be brought up to speed on the offense.
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