Report: Browns fire offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt
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All qualifying quarterbacks (including Browns' Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco) ranked by QBR
Brock Purdy, #1. That was an amazing find. He only made 870,000 this year. "Mr. Irrevevent"
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Browns vacated coaching updates
interviewed former Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
former Carolina Panthers assistant head coach Duce Staley
Seattle Seahawks offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.
Houston QB coach on deck https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/browns-interviewing-jerrod-johnson-225872587/
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
All qualifying quarterbacks (including Browns' Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco) ranked by QBR
The Cleveland Browns went 8-2 in the regular season with quarterbacks Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco under center.
They then went 3-3 in the games that Dorian Thompson-Robinson and P.J. Walker had to start
Those 3 wins came from good defense, good FG kicking, and good coaching.
Here's what I want in our new OC. Somebody who'll walk up to Watson and teach him how to stay healthy. Teach him to run as a last resort. Teach him to get down early. He's not built like Lamar Jackson. We need him out there completing passes every week! Perhaps Deuce? He was a RB. Perhaps he'd tell Watson that he ain't one! And that we have other guys on the offense that do that.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Before the season started we saw reports that the browns o was going to be different and exciting. Once the season started, it was the same O.
Stefanski and more on point, Van Pelt can't get away from 20th century, west coast offense. If you look at Watson, most of the college QB's heading in to the pro's, they play a 21st century O. It is shotgun based. AVP couldn't adjust to getting us in a shotgun based O, and Stump can't coach backs running inside zone runs out of a shotgun.
We can't expect to get the most out of our O running a 90's offense in 2024. That is the same as a team in the 80's running an O out of the 50's.
Time to up the thinking.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
All qualifying quarterbacks (including Browns' Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco) ranked by QBR
The Cleveland Browns went 8-2 in the regular season with quarterbacks Deshaun Watson and Joe Flacco under center.
They then went 3-3 in the games that Dorian Thompson-Robinson and P.J. Walker had to start
Those 3 wins came from good defense, good FG kicking, and good coaching.
Here's what I want in our new OC. Somebody who'll walk up to Watson and teach him how to stay healthy. Teach him to run as a last resort. Teach him to get down early. He's not built like Lamar Jackson. We need him out there completing passes every week! Perhaps Deuce? He was a RB. Perhaps he'd tell Watson that he ain't one! And that we have other guys on the offense that do that.
Those 3 wins came from good defense, good FG kicking, and good coaching.
Here's what I want in our new OC. Somebody who'll walk up to Watson and teach him how to stay healthy. Teach him to run as a last resort. Teach him to get down early. He's not built like Lamar Jackson. We need him out there completing passes every week! Perhaps Deuce? He was a RB. Perhaps he'd tell Watson that he ain't one! And that we have other guys on the offense that do that.
Even if he was built like Lamar Jackson, Jackson has had his share of injuries over the years too.
I'm not really excited about seeing Ken Dorsey as an OC candidate at all. That's actually terrifying.
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Browns vacated coaching updates
interviewed former Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
former Carolina Panthers assistant head coach Duce Staley
Seattle Seahawks offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.
Houston QB coach on deck https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/browns-interviewing-jerrod-johnson-225872587/
Browns vacated coaching updates
interviewed former Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
former Carolina Panthers assistant head coach Duce Staley
Seattle Seahawks offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.
Houston QB coach on deck https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/browns-interviewing-jerrod-johnson-225872587/
Thanks for sharing this Gumbs!
The Bills were 5-5 with Dorsey as their OC. After they fired him, Buffalo won 6 of their last 7 games to finish 1 the AFC East. Then they beat Pittsburgh before KC reminded them "Who's your daddy?"
Going after Ken Dorsey today would be like going after Rich Kotite to run your offense back in the day. Why?
Staley and Dickerson seem like good ideas though...
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Browns vacated coaching updates
interviewed former Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
former Carolina Panthers assistant head coach Duce Staley
Seattle Seahawks offensive line coach Andy Dickerson.
Houston QB coach on deck https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/browns-interviewing-jerrod-johnson-225872587/
Thanks for sharing this Gumbs!
The Bills were 5-5 with Dorsey as their OC. After they fired him, Buffalo won 6 of their last 7 games to finish 1 the AFC East. Then they beat Pittsburgh before KC reminded them "Who's your daddy?"
Going after Ken Dorsey today would be like going after Rich Kotite to run your offense back in the day. Why?
Staley and Dickerson seem like good ideas though...
Thanks for sharing this Gumbs!
The Bills were 5-5 with Dorsey as their OC. After they fired him, Buffalo won 6 of their last 7 games to finish 1 the AFC East. Then they beat Pittsburgh before KC reminded them "Who's your daddy?"
Going after Ken Dorsey today would be like going after Rich Kotite to run your offense back in the day. Why?
Staley and Dickerson seem like good ideas though...
The Dorsey thing doesn't matter if Kev is still calling the plays... Nothing will change...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Before the season started we saw reports that the browns o was going to be different and exciting. Once the season started, it was the same O.
Stefanski and more on point, Van Pelt can't get away from 20th century, west coast offense. If you look at Watson, most of the college QB's heading in to the pro's, they play a 21st century O. It is shotgun based. AVP couldn't adjust to getting us in a shotgun based O, and Stump can't coach backs running inside zone runs out of a shotgun.
We can't expect to get the most out of our O running a 90's offense in 2024. That is the same as a team in the 80's running an O out of the 50's.
Time to up the thinking.
Before the season started we saw reports that the browns o was going to be different and exciting. Once the season started, it was the same O.
Stefanski and more on point, Van Pelt can't get away from 20th century, west coast offense. If you look at Watson, most of the college QB's heading in to the pro's, they play a 21st century O. It is shotgun based. AVP couldn't adjust to getting us in a shotgun based O, and Stump can't coach backs running inside zone runs out of a shotgun.
We can't expect to get the most out of our O running a 90's offense in 2024. That is the same as a team in the 80's running an O out of the 50's.
Time to up the thinking.
I don't ever remember the Brownies running weakside QB power like an old single wing from an empty motion previous to week 1 against Cincy. Closest I can remember was the QB sweep against PIT to burn clock and make us playoff bound in 2020.
While I don't have the numbers, I'm confident in saying there was more gun and 11 personnel usage with Watson than previous QBs. This concluded with the epic win over the ravens.
West Coast is a relative term. It generally means timing throws, which are structured and layered within every offense in football. And with that, a certain play call string language that mostly meant individually tagging receivers with numbered routes. Which might not be a predominant in the Browns lingo, but you'll find things derived from it in just about every offense as well. No different than romance languages sharing similarities by having a common ancestor in Latin.
Also worth pointing out, one of the most efficient and consistent offenses in the NFL during his time as a head coach has been younger Shanahan in San Fran. The same team who, last I checked, was top 2 in 21 personnel usage with a vehicle driven by under center ball action and timing throws.
Odd how an old dog can still get it done with some old tricks that are windowed dressed appropriately.
Re: Stef and Van Pelt. They didn't get Flaccos arm hit as he was trying to bomb a post-corner that ended up in a DBs lap. And they sure as fuck didn't make Flacco lock onto a primary with a little stick-out, believing he had man all the way instead of reading the strong side hook correctly.
Any heavy handed critique lobbed at the coaching staff after how they over performed this season is idiotic at best.
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Before the season started we saw reports that the browns o was going to be different and exciting. Once the season started, it was the same O.
Stefanski and more on point, Van Pelt can't get away from 20th century, west coast offense. If you look at Watson, most of the college QB's heading in to the pro's, they play a 21st century O. It is shotgun based. AVP couldn't adjust to getting us in a shotgun based O, and Stump can't coach backs running inside zone runs out of a shotgun.
We can't expect to get the most out of our O running a 90's offense in 2024. That is the same as a team in the 80's running an O out of the 50's.
Time to up the thinking.
I don't ever remember the Brownies running weakside QB power like an old single wing from an empty motion previous to week 1 against Cincy. Closest I can remember was the QB sweep against PIT to burn clock and make us playoff bound in 2020.
While I don't have the numbers, I'm confident in saying there was more gun and 11 personnel usage with Watson than previous QBs. This concluded with the epic win over the ravens.
West Coast is a relative term. It generally means timing throws, which are structured and layered within every offense in football. And with that, a certain play call string language that mostly meant individually tagging receivers with numbered routes. Which might not be a predominant in the Browns lingo, but you'll find things derived from it in just about every offense as well. No different than romance languages sharing similarities by having a common ancestor in Latin.
Also worth pointing out, one of the most efficient and consistent offenses in the NFL during his time as a head coach has been younger Shanahan in San Fran. The same team who, last I checked, was top 2 in 21 personnel usage with a vehicle driven by under center ball action and timing throws.
Odd how an old dog can still get it done with some old tricks that are windowed dressed appropriately.
Re: Stef and Van Pelt. They didn't get Flaccos arm hit as he was trying to bomb a post-corner that ended up in a DBs lap. And they sure as fuck didn't make Flacco lock onto a primary with a little stick-out, believing he had man all the way instead of reading the strong side hook correctly.
Any heavy handed critique lobbed at the coaching staff after how they over performed this season is idiotic at best.
Any heavy handed critique lobbed at the coaching staff after how they over performed this season is idiotic at best.
That's how I look at it. The Browns sure overcame a ton of injuries.
Yes, the season ended with a thud- personally I never saw that coming.
I remain optimistic about the coaching staff & Andrew Berry.
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Report: Browns hire former Notre Dame, Alabama coach for their
seems kinda weird to hire him before the oc
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Report: Browns hire former Notre Dame, Alabama coach for their
seems kinda weird to hire him before the oc
seems kinda weird to hire him before the oc
Yes, it kinda' does. I'm assuming that they really like him. But Stef is the HC. He hires his staff. The OC doesn't hire the HC's staff. But they can sure discuss people for the offensive coaching positions. Again I'm assuming that they liked this guy and didn't want to wait around.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
seems kinda weird to hire him before the oc
Yes, it kinda' does. I'm assuming that they really like him. But Stef is the HC. He hires his staff. The OC doesn't hire the HC's staff. But they can sure discuss people for the offensive coaching positions. Again I'm assuming that they liked this guy and didn't want to wait around.
Yes, it kinda' does. I'm assuming that they really like him. But Stef is the HC. He hires his staff. The OC doesn't hire the HC's staff. But they can sure discuss people for the offensive coaching positions. Again I'm assuming that they liked this guy and didn't want to wait around.
You are right, at the end of the day Stefanski hires the staff, not the OC.
For example, Bill O'Brien is an ex-head coach at a major university and the NFL, yet when he recently took the OC job at Ohio State, he didn't bring any of own guys for the offensive coaching staff.
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Thanks for sharing this Gumbs!
The Bills were 5-5 with Dorsey as their OC. After they fired him, Buffalo won 6 of their last 7 games to finish 1 the AFC East. Then they beat Pittsburgh before KC reminded them "Who's your daddy?"
Going after Ken Dorsey today would be like going after Rich Kotite to run your offense back in the day. Why?
Staley and Dickerson seem like good ideas though...
The Dorsey thing doesn't matter if Kev is still calling the plays... Nothing will change...
The Dorsey thing doesn't matter if Kev is still calling the plays... Nothing will change...
I'm just assuming if the assistant coaches were just there to fanny pat the HC - what would be the need to fire multiple assistants? An OC can impact the design of the offense, the passing/receiving route tree, the blocking schemes, prioritizing fundamentals (ie: securing the football) daily in practice where the Browns finished a league worst in the give/take stat, film study/game prep, etc.
I was kind of hoping Ohio State would have been interested in Rees; but I think they made out fine in the direction they went. This is a nice addition for the Browns.
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The Dorsey thing doesn't matter if Kev is still calling the plays... Nothing will change...
I'm just assuming if the assistant coaches were just there to fanny pat the HC - what would be the need to fire multiple assistants? An OC can impact the design of the offense, the passing/receiving route tree, the blocking schemes, prioritizing fundamentals (ie: securing the football) daily in practice where the Browns finished a league worst in the give/take stat, film study/game prep, etc.
I was kind of hoping Ohio State would have been interested in Rees; but I think they made out fine in the direction they went. This is a nice addition for the Browns.
I'm just assuming if the assistant coaches were just there to fanny pat the HC - what would be the need to fire multiple assistants? An OC can impact the design of the offense, the passing/receiving route tree, the blocking schemes, prioritizing fundamentals (ie: securing the football) daily in practice where the Browns finished a league worst in the give/take stat, film study/game prep, etc.
I was kind of hoping Ohio State would have been interested in Rees; but I think they made out fine in the direction they went. This is a nice addition for the Browns.
Possible that the Browns are interested in the Texans' QB coach as the new OC... We'll see.
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I'm just assuming if the assistant coaches were just there to fanny pat the HC - what would be the need to fire multiple assistants? An OC can impact the design of the offense, the passing/receiving route tree, the blocking schemes, prioritizing fundamentals (ie: securing the football) daily in practice where the Browns finished a league worst in the give/take stat, film study/game prep, etc.
I was kind of hoping Ohio State would have been interested in Rees; but I think they made out fine in the direction they went. This is a nice addition for the Browns.
Possible that the Browns are interested in the Texans' QB coach as the new OC... We'll see.
Possible that the Browns are interested in the Texans' QB coach as the new OC... We'll see.
Precisely! That's a great idea ! Someone like Ken Dorsey was a disaster for a mobile QB like Josh Allen, they were 5-5 with Josh looking like a turnover machine. Even though Watson always had patience and savvy in the pocket when he was in Houston - he got sacked a lot there (in lieu of turning it over on a short field). Anyway, when Dorsey left, the Bills heated up and went 6-1 and so did Josh. You can't Dr Frankenstein and re-wire these QBs like some OCs try to do (ie; Lamar Jackson). You have to take the gifts they were born with and use them or you shouldn't have drafted the guy. The Bills originally saw a prospect with a lot of talent and studied all the correctable stuff they could coach up. The first 2 years Houston had Watson, they did a great job coaching him while he took them to the playoffs. His 3rd year was his best year statistically; but the team around him was injured, tired and depreciated.
All that to say this, we need somebody that can work with a QB like Watson. Watson walks a fine line between patience in the pocket and knowing when to get rid of the ball to live another down vrs taking hits inbounds on a scramble. Like @orion brings up - taking on tacklers by putting a shoulder into them especially if that's the shoulder of your throwing arm is bound to get you hurt. He also needs to stop carrying the ball away from his body when he is running with it. He's not 6-5 and 250 lbs like Josh Allen so our coaching staff needs to do their part in tapping what he did well in Houston. I just hope they go back and study film on the things he did well that intrigued them to make the trade for him in the first place. There's a lot of time this offseason to get the plan in place. They don't need to re-wire him - they need to prepare their plans/teaching moments for help resolve some of the bad habits he's picked up here. They also need to set up a more compatible design for what he does well. I'm guessing that's what they want to try to do here with the coaching changes.
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Possible that the Browns are interested in the Texans' QB coach as the new OC... We'll see.
Precisely! That's a great idea ! Someone like Ken Dorsey was a disaster for a mobile QB like Josh Allen, they were 5-5 with Josh looking like a turnover machine. Even though Watson always had patience and savvy in the pocket when he was in Houston - he got sacked a lot there (in lieu of turning it over on a short field). Anyway, when Dorsey left, the Bills heated up and went 6-1 and so did Josh. You can't Dr Frankenstein and re-wire these QBs like some OCs try to do (ie; Lamar Jackson). You have to take the gifts they were born with and use them or you shouldn't have drafted the guy. The Bills originally saw a prospect with a lot of talent and studied all the correctable stuff they could coach up. The first 2 years Houston had Watson, they did a great job coaching him while he took them to the playoffs. His 3rd year was his best year statistically; but the team around him was injured, tired and depreciated.
All that to say this, we need somebody that can work with a QB like Watson. Watson walks a fine line between patience in the pocket and knowing when to get rid of the ball to live another down vrs taking hits inbounds on a scramble. Like @orion brings up - taking on tacklers by putting a shoulder into them especially if that's the shoulder of your throwing arm is bound to get you hurt. He also needs to stop carrying the ball away from his body when he is running with it. He's not 6-5 and 250 lbs like Josh Allen so our coaching staff needs to do their part in tapping what he did well in Houston. I just hope they go back and study film on the things he did well that intrigued them to make the trade for him in the first place. There's a lot of time this offseason to get the plan in place. They don't need to re-wire him - they need to prepare their plans/teaching moments for help resolve some of the bad habits he's picked up here. They also need to set up a more compatible design for what he does well. I'm guessing that's what they want to try to do here with the coaching changes.
Precisely! That's a great idea ! Someone like Ken Dorsey was a disaster for a mobile QB like Josh Allen, they were 5-5 with Josh looking like a turnover machine. Even though Watson always had patience and savvy in the pocket when he was in Houston - he got sacked a lot there (in lieu of turning it over on a short field). Anyway, when Dorsey left, the Bills heated up and went 6-1 and so did Josh. You can't Dr Frankenstein and re-wire these QBs like some OCs try to do (ie; Lamar Jackson). You have to take the gifts they were born with and use them or you shouldn't have drafted the guy. The Bills originally saw a prospect with a lot of talent and studied all the correctable stuff they could coach up. The first 2 years Houston had Watson, they did a great job coaching him while he took them to the playoffs. His 3rd year was his best year statistically; but the team around him was injured, tired and depreciated.
All that to say this, we need somebody that can work with a QB like Watson. Watson walks a fine line between patience in the pocket and knowing when to get rid of the ball to live another down vrs taking hits inbounds on a scramble. Like @orion brings up - taking on tacklers by putting a shoulder into them especially if that's the shoulder of your throwing arm is bound to get you hurt. He also needs to stop carrying the ball away from his body when he is running with it. He's not 6-5 and 250 lbs like Josh Allen so our coaching staff needs to do their part in tapping what he did well in Houston. I just hope they go back and study film on the things he did well that intrigued them to make the trade for him in the first place. There's a lot of time this offseason to get the plan in place. They don't need to re-wire him - they need to prepare their plans/teaching moments for help resolve some of the bad habits he's picked up here. They also need to set up a more compatible design for what he does well. I'm guessing that's what they want to try to do here with the coaching changes.
That all sounds like a great idea for our Cleveland BROWNS and the head coaching. || OC combination and performance for 2024 and going forward in thier playoff pursuits. Plus exciting for us BROWNS fans too. And a good morning to Mr Flugs.
GO BROWNS ! Think playoffs 2024.
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Precisely! That's a great idea ! Someone like Ken Dorsey was a disaster for a mobile QB like Josh Allen, they were 5-5 with Josh looking like a turnover machine. Even though Watson always had patience and savvy in the pocket when he was in Houston - he got sacked a lot there (in lieu of turning it over on a short field). Anyway, when Dorsey left, the Bills heated up and went 6-1 and so did Josh. You can't Dr Frankenstein and re-wire these QBs like some OCs try to do (ie; Lamar Jackson). You have to take the gifts they were born with and use them or you shouldn't have drafted the guy. The Bills originally saw a prospect with a lot of talent and studied all the correctable stuff they could coach up. The first 2 years Houston had Watson, they did a great job coaching him while he took them to the playoffs. His 3rd year was his best year statistically; but the team around him was injured, tired and depreciated.
All that to say this, we need somebody that can work with a QB like Watson. Watson walks a fine line between patience in the pocket and knowing when to get rid of the ball to live another down vrs taking hits inbounds on a scramble. Like @orion brings up - taking on tacklers by putting a shoulder into them especially if that's the shoulder of your throwing arm is bound to get you hurt. He also needs to stop carrying the ball away from his body when he is running with it. He's not 6-5 and 250 lbs like Josh Allen so our coaching staff needs to do their part in tapping what he did well in Houston. I just hope they go back and study film on the things he did well that intrigued them to make the trade for him in the first place. There's a lot of time this offseason to get the plan in place. They don't need to re-wire him - they need to prepare their plans/teaching moments for help resolve some of the bad habits he's picked up here. They also need to set up a more compatible design for what he does well. I'm guessing that's what they want to try to do here with the coaching changes.
That all sounds like a great idea for our Cleveland BROWNS and the head coaching. || OC combination and performance for 2024 and going forward in thier playoff pursuits. Plus exciting for us BROWNS fans too. And a good morning to Mr Flugs.
GO BROWNS ! Think playoffs 2024.
That all sounds like a great idea for our Cleveland BROWNS and the head coaching. || OC combination and performance for 2024 and going forward in thier playoff pursuits. Plus exciting for us BROWNS fans too. And a good morning to Mr Flugs.
GO BROWNS ! Think playoffs 2024.
Thank you! A belated good morning to you as well MJP!
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