Coach Stefanski to call plays this year
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I really never viewed this as a big deal. Lots of over reaction about this over the years (not just in Cleveland).
Has Stefanski screwed up on this at times, yeah. The QB needs to audible out of the play if he sees something, the players need to execute.
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The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
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The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
agreed, He was brought here for his play calling and it will be nice to see what he can do with a healthy #4.But all signs were pointing towards Coach Dorsey calling plays. So either way I'm good.
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I never believed that he was going to give up his play calling.
Nobody is going to like every play call or every 'in game' decision...of any play caller or any HC.
I'd like to see Dorsey and / or Bubba Ventrone by Stef's side while we're on offense. Just to have an eye on the big picture while Stef is into the nitty gritty. To chime in with a big picture detail when appropriate.....like, Remember they only have one Time Out left...or something. Or to be in communication with our challenge flag guy in the booth regarding a close call that didn't go our way. Or maybe it DID go our way and we should hurry to the LOS and run a play.
Ideally I'd like my HC to be that and only that. Not the OC and not the play caller. Just someone in control of the big picture. But when you have a HC that is the play caller, you're going to have to pry that play card from his cold, dead fingers. He's not letting anyone else decide his fate. Paul Brown sent in plays via offensive guards. I'd wager that most HC's from the offensive side of the ball, call their own plays.
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I never believed that he was going to give up his play calling.
Nobody is going to like every play call or every 'in game' decision...of any play caller or any HC.
I'd like to see Dorsey and / or Bubba Ventrone by Stef's side while we're on offense. Just to have an eye on the big picture while Stef is into the nitty gritty. To chime in with a big picture detail when appropriate.....like, Remember they only have one Time Out left...or something. Or to be in communication with our challenge flag guy in the booth regarding a close call that didn't go our way. Or maybe it DID go our way and we should hurry to the LOS and run a play.
Ideally I'd like my HC to be that and only that. Not the OC and not the play caller. Just someone in control of the big picture. But when you have a HC that is the play caller, you're going to have to pry that play card from his cold, dead fingers. He's not letting anyone else decide his fate. Paul Brown sent in plays via offensive guards. I'd wager that most HC's from the offensive side of the ball, call their own plays.
I never believed that he was going to give up his play calling.
Nobody is going to like every play call or every 'in game' decision...of any play caller or any HC.
I'd like to see Dorsey and / or Bubba Ventrone by Stef's side while we're on offense. Just to have an eye on the big picture while Stef is into the nitty gritty. To chime in with a big picture detail when appropriate.....like, Remember they only have one Time Out left...or something. Or to be in communication with our challenge flag guy in the booth regarding a close call that didn't go our way. Or maybe it DID go our way and we should hurry to the LOS and run a play.
Ideally I'd like my HC to be that and only that. Not the OC and not the play caller. Just someone in control of the big picture. But when you have a HC that is the play caller, you're going to have to pry that play card from his cold, dead fingers. He's not letting anyone else decide his fate. Paul Brown sent in plays via offensive guards. I'd wager that most HC's from the offensive side of the ball, call their own plays.
Interesting and good attention to detail! It got me thinking... What's to say Dorsey can't do that from a better view above? My guess is Coordinators wouldn't be up in the box with a mic and ear piece if they weren't doing so to communicate a better overall view of the formations and opposing vulnerabilities to the HC wiring in the play. I'm willing to bet Stefanski wants an earful back from his new OC as to what plays look ideal for the vulnerabilities he's seeing up there as well as what looks different from their film prep on the opponent. All that. This makes the OC feel very involved with the play-calling. He's the freakin steering wheel...
As for Bubba, he's got his hands full as it is making sure none of the 11 he has for each different special team unit need to be replaced via injuries during the game. That said, guys get injured during games so he's gotta be mindful that the replacement knows he needs to be out there. Along the same line, injured players also get cleared to return to games so he has to make sure the special team replacement/fill-in is now aware the 1st unit ST guy is going back out there again - so we don't end up with 12 guys on the field.
Strength and Conditioning Coaches are usually very good at counting so I'd recommend having the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach or his Assistant be in charge of the timeout count for Stef while they do their other duty of reminding all players standing on the sideline to move back when applicable. That usually positions the Strength Coach right near Stefanski.
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I never believed that he was going to give up his play calling.
Nobody is going to like every play call or every 'in game' decision...of any play caller or any HC.
I'd like to see Dorsey and / or Bubba Ventrone by Stef's side while we're on offense. Just to have an eye on the big picture while Stef is into the nitty gritty. To chime in with a big picture detail when appropriate.....like, Remember they only have one Time Out left...or something. Or to be in communication with our challenge flag guy in the booth regarding a close call that didn't go our way. Or maybe it DID go our way and we should hurry to the LOS and run a play.
Ideally I'd like my HC to be that and only that. Not the OC and not the play caller. Just someone in control of the big picture. But when you have a HC that is the play caller, you're going to have to pry that play card from his cold, dead fingers. He's not letting anyone else decide his fate. Paul Brown sent in plays via offensive guards. I'd wager that most HC's from the offensive side of the ball, call their own plays.
Interesting and good attention to detail! It got me thinking... What's to say Dorsey can't do that from a better view above? My guess is Coordinators wouldn't be up in the box with a mic and ear piece if they weren't doing so to communicate a better overall view of the formations and opposing vulnerabilities to the HC wiring in the play. I'm willing to bet Stefanski wants an earful back from his new OC as to what plays look ideal for the vulnerabilities he's seeing up there as well as what looks different from their film prep on the opponent. All that. This makes the OC feel very involved with the play-calling. He's the freakin steering wheel...
As for Bubba, he's got his hands full as it is making sure none of the 11 he has for each different special team unit need to be replaced via injuries during the game. That said, guys get injured during games so he's gotta be mindful that the replacement knows he needs to be out there. Along the same line, injured players also get cleared to return to games so he has to make sure the special team replacement/fill-in is now aware the 1st unit ST guy is going back out there again - so we don't end up with 12 guys on the field.
Strength and Conditioning Coaches are usually very good at counting so I'd recommend having the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach or his Assistant be in charge of the timeout count for Stef while they do their other duty of reminding all players standing on the sideline to move back when applicable. That usually positions the Strength Coach right near Stefanski.
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Stef got hired here because of his play calling.
Nearly half the head coaches in the league call the plays.
There is nothing out of the norm here. Picking the plays off the menu board isn't that hard. All the plays on the menu board are broken down in to down and distance, pass or run. All plays called have a chance to succeed and all have a chance to fail. I don't see Stefanski calling totally goofy plays given the situation.
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The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
I do.
After watching Stefanski for four years, I have concluded that he is very capable of producing solid offensive production from the system he runs well.
After watching parts of two seasons of Watson playing for Stefanski, I have concluded that Stefanski is not comfortable creating an offensive system that fits Watson's skill-set and I have concluded that Watson isn't comfortable playing in Stefanski's preferred system.
They are a bad match.
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Stef got hired here because of his play calling.
Nearly half the head coaches in the league call the plays.
There is nothing out of the norm here. Picking the plays off the menu board isn't that hard. All the plays on the menu board are broken down in to down and distance, pass or run. All plays called have a chance to succeed and all have a chance to fail. I don't see Stefanski calling totally goofy plays given the situation.
There is nothing out of the norm here. Picking the plays off the menu board isn't that hard. .
Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
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There is nothing out of the norm here. Picking the plays off the menu board isn't that hard. .
Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
I did it one season for a youth football team. I'm talking 11 and 12 year olds down in Perry.
It feels like everything is moving at 150mph.
Youth football in front of a crowd of dozens.
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The guy’s the reigning coach of the year. I have no issues if he wants to keep calling plays.
I do.
After watching Stefanski for four years, I have concluded that he is very capable of producing solid offensive production from the system he runs well.
After watching parts of two seasons of Watson playing for Stefanski, I have concluded that Stefanski is not comfortable creating an offensive system that fits Watson's skill-set and I have concluded that Watson isn't comfortable playing in Stefanski's preferred system.
They are a bad match.
I do.
After watching Stefanski for four years, I have concluded that he is very capable of producing solid offensive production from the system he runs well.
After watching parts of two seasons of Watson playing for Stefanski, I have concluded that Stefanski is not comfortable creating an offensive system that fits Watson's skill-set and I have concluded that Watson isn't comfortable playing in Stefanski's preferred system.
They are a bad match.
Ah, you could be right. I don’t think you can be a head coach without having a healthy dollop of control freak in you though, and l’m pretty happy with our control freak Stefanski. I’m confident he’s aware of his deficiencies and driven to correct them. He’s still growing and learning too, and l want him to go through his process to keep getting better and better. If he deems calling plays to be what’s best for the team, l’m happy to go “ok, cool.”
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Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
I did it one season for a youth football team. I'm talking 11 and 12 year olds down in Perry.
It feels like everything is moving at 150mph.
Youth football in front of a crowd of dozens.
It feels like everything is moving at 150mph.
Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
There is nothing out of the norm here. Picking the plays off the menu board isn't that hard. .
Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
Look, you don't have to sell yourself, so I will stop you right there. No doubt setting the game plan is involved and tedious. I just don't spell out obvious things. Any dumb fuck knows that.
Dorsey is very involved. He and Stef will spend many hours on the game plan examining defensive tendencies in various situations. The plays on the menu are put there to counter every known variant the opponent has exhibited. The D does the same. Once those are charted, the game plan is set. Now it is a matter of picking a play off the call sheet to counter what the D calls. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. If the D starts to do something different, we have to pivot on the fly.
I appreciate your input and experience, but it is a game. It's way more involved, but it isn't something us peons can't understand.
Quit talking like you are the authority of the board.
JMO
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Going to stop you right there. As someone who has put together an offense from the ground up AND called plays, I'll tell you it is incredibly involved, focused and difficult to do right consistently.
Granted, it wasn't at an NFL level. But even then it was myself and an assistant charting play calls and success rates. I can tell you the process was tedious, time consuming and fast paced. Then, when the game script went a bit off rail early, you have to essentially "rechart" a new offensive path. Not at halftime, like most people think. Adjustments are made in between drives. It's like being a boxer in between rounds - to the fan it's a lifetime to wait for the next punch, for the fighter it's a momentary flash.
At the pro level it takes several coaches to make an offense work in-game. That isn't including weekly prep from multiple assistants.
Do not sell short the ability needed to be a decent pro coordinator and/or play caller.
Look, you don't have to sell yourself, so I will stop you right there. No doubt setting the game plan is involved and tedious. I just don't spell out obvious things. Any dumb fuck knows that.
Dorsey is very involved. He and Stef will spend many hours on the game plan examining defensive tendencies in various situations. The plays on the menu are put there to counter every known variant the opponent has exhibited. The D does the same. Once those are charted, the game plan is set. Now it is a matter of picking a play off the call sheet to counter what the D calls. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. If the D starts to do something different, we have to pivot on the fly.
I appreciate your input and experience, but it is a game. It's way more involved, but it isn't something us peons can't understand.
Quit talking like you are the authority of the board.
JMO
it is a matter of picking a play off the call sheet
...in a nutshell.
The play caller is basically going to call plays that they've worked on during the week...and / or that are their bread and butter plays. Yes, the playbooks are large...but every play in the book is not 'up' for this particular week (i.e. the current week).
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
It feels like everything is moving at 150mph.
Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
Yeah, I used to think why does Stefanski that had dreams of being a HC only want to continue being an OC/Playcaller when he finally gets hired to be a HC? The 1 time Stefanski missed a game the Browns allowed OC Alex Van Pelt to call the plays in a playoff game at Pittsburgh the Browns scored 48 points. That said, once upon a time Marty Schottenheimer wanted to KEEP Lindy Infante's offense despite new coordinator in charge not having any degree of history/deep understanding of the set-up/purpose of the design and what made it all work efficiently. It became a disorganized train-wreck. Not only, but the Browns let time expire at the end of the 1st half vrs the Oilers in FG range with 1 timeout remaining. That's a sign the OC was overwhelmed.
All that said, if you would have told me the Browns would end up starting Watson, DTR, Walker, Flacco and Driskel at QB while losing both RTs, LT and Chubb (week 2) and still win 11 of 17 games last year - I would have said not with Stefanski calling plays. More specifically, I woulda been WRONG!
I'm pretty sure the playcalling will continue to include input from offensive coaches up in the box including the OC and Sr. Offensive Assistant Bill Musgrave and other Offensive Assistants looking at what parts of the defense are doing or giving us vulnerabilities to exploit. They can also tell Stef what they see the defense is attempting to do to take away a strength via formation, scheme or both. From that, they wire down recommendations for Stef to decide on for the down and distance.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
It feels like everything is moving at 150mph.
Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
I know there are very successful guys who do the duel HC/OC job well, but I just wonder sometimes how rare it is that someone can oversee the entire team AND do all the work during the week leading up to every game as the team's OC too...
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Right. Obviously, NFL HC's have been doing what they do for a long time...but still, just being the play caller keeps them quite busy...and leaves them less time to be Head Coachin'.
I know there are very successful guys who do the duel HC/OC job well, but I just wonder sometimes how rare it is that someone can oversee the entire team AND do all the work during the week leading up to every game as the team's OC too...
but I just wonder sometimes how rare it is that someone can oversee the entire team AND do all the work during the week leading up to every game as the team's OC too...
I hear ya...but since Stef has been here he's always had an OC. I would hope that the guy that carries the OC title would be doing some of the work during the week. That said, one would think that the play caller would have to be fairly involved with the offensive meetings during the week.
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