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  • @orion said:

    Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses.  (see Tale of the Tape for this week)

    Yup.  Too costly.  Especially for us.

    As for the OLine...What is the major problem there?  Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin.  So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT?   I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle.  And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks.  Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?   

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.  

  • @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.  

    @orion said:

    The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.  

    Again, age and injury.  They just don't have it like they use to.   Isn't hard to tell when you see how they fire off the ball, especially in the lateral run game. 

  • @orion said:

    The OL, minus LT, has been together for several games now...but we still can't run the ball or protect the QB.  

    Again, age and injury.  They just don't have it like they use to.   Isn't hard to tell when you see how they fire off the ball, especially in the lateral run game. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Again, age and injury.  They just don't have it like they use to.   Isn't hard to tell when you see how they fire off the ball, especially in the lateral run game. 

    So what you're saying is that everyone except Pocic needs to be replaced.

  • @orion said:

    Those 2 QB's don't have good enough defenses.  (see Tale of the Tape for this week)

    Yup.  Too costly.  Especially for us.

    As for the OLine...What is the major problem there?  Everyone loves Bitonio, Teller & Conklin.  So is it Pocic and whomever is at LT?   I mean we can't run left, right or up the middle.  And I'm sure we're still leading the league in sacks.  Do we want to throw in the loss of Callahan?   

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

  • AxeA Axe

    A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.

    @axe said:

    A big hell no on Cousins.. Spend all available assets in the draft and the FA market to make the offensive and defensive lines the best in the league.. That's where the the games are won and lost.

    Nice!   A bad ass tone to go with a little "He ain't my Cousin."  

  • @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    Well, when Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller was his age he didn't play at all so keep this in mind with NFL Linemen.  How quickly they develop tends to vary especially inside when an OG can face a stout 340 pound DT with ideal leverage.  

    To answer your question, he looked promising.  Most of his mistakes seemed to be more cognitive than physical.  That said, he was the guy that left the Ohio State - Michigan game with a brutal lower leg injury.  It was amazing he was cleared for contact at the onset of training camp. I think he's going to be very solid and ready to start the day Bitonio retires. That may be sooner than some people think.

    Don't forget we're getting Luke Wypler back healthy next year.   That's right, the Wypler Snapper who can also can also play Guard. I thought it was an absolute steal getting him in round 6.

  • @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    I thought he belonged on the bench.  But that's just me.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    Well, when Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller was his age he didn't play at all so keep this in mind with NFL Linemen.  How quickly they develop tends to vary especially inside when an OG can face a stout 340 pound DT with ideal leverage.  

    To answer your question, he looked promising.  Most of his mistakes seemed to be more cognitive than physical.  That said, he was the guy that left the Ohio State - Michigan game with a brutal lower leg injury.  It was amazing he was cleared for contact at the onset of training camp. I think he's going to be very solid and ready to start the day Bitonio retires. That may be sooner than some people think.

    Don't forget we're getting Luke Wypler back healthy next year.   That's right, the Wypler Snapper who can also can also play Guard. I thought it was an absolute steal getting him in round 6.

    @flugel said:

    Well, when Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller was his age he didn't play at all so keep this in mind with NFL Linemen.  How quickly they develop tends to vary especially inside when an OG can face a stout 340 pound DT with ideal leverage.  

    To answer your question, he looked promising.  Most of his mistakes seemed to be more cognitive than physical.  That said, he was the guy that left the Ohio State - Michigan game with a brutal lower leg injury.  It was amazing he was cleared for contact at the onset of training camp. I think he's going to be very solid and ready to start the day Bitonio retires. That may be sooner than some people think.

    Don't forget we're getting Luke Wypler back healthy next year.   That's right, the Wypler Snapper who can also can also play Guard. I thought it was an absolute steal getting him in round 6.

    Ohio State will have Left Tackle in Josh Simmons, a mid/late first round prospect too. 

  • @flugel said:

    Well, when Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller was his age he didn't play at all so keep this in mind with NFL Linemen.  How quickly they develop tends to vary especially inside when an OG can face a stout 340 pound DT with ideal leverage.  

    To answer your question, he looked promising.  Most of his mistakes seemed to be more cognitive than physical.  That said, he was the guy that left the Ohio State - Michigan game with a brutal lower leg injury.  It was amazing he was cleared for contact at the onset of training camp. I think he's going to be very solid and ready to start the day Bitonio retires. That may be sooner than some people think.

    Don't forget we're getting Luke Wypler back healthy next year.   That's right, the Wypler Snapper who can also can also play Guard. I thought it was an absolute steal getting him in round 6.

    Ohio State will have Left Tackle in Josh Simmons, a mid/late first round prospect too. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Ohio State will have Left Tackle in Josh Simmons, a mid/late first round prospect too. 

    Good point. And he'd be a guy they could trade back for.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Ohio State will have Left Tackle in Josh Simmons, a mid/late first round prospect too. 

    Good point. And he'd be a guy they could trade back for.  

    @flugel said:

    Good point. And he'd be a guy they could trade back for.  

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

  • @flugel said:

    Good point. And he'd be a guy they could trade back for.  

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

    Let the board come to you.  Simmons was pretty good, then had a season ending knee injury.  I'm not too apt trading up form players with significant injury history that take such contact every play.    Even if they are Buckeyes staying home. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

     The Oline? Health and age at our guard spots combined with injury and talent death at the tackle spots.   

     Pocic is a solid player.  But when you have instability on both sides of you, it's harder to show your value.

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    I'm doing a recap on the rookies after the season is over, I'll be charting all their snap.  So I'll get back to you on that. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Thoughts on the few games Zinter started? 

    I'm doing a recap on the rookies after the season is over, I'll be charting all their snap.  So I'll get back to you on that. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'm doing a recap on the rookies after the season is over, I'll be charting all their snap.  So I'll get back to you on that. 

    My man!

  • @flugel said:

    Good point. And he'd be a guy they could trade back for.  

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

    I hear ya - just keep it nourished with cold beer.  

    We should get a good look at Simmons tonight; and it sounds like he will be tested.   

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Or up for...

    Maybe a slight trade back with the (now) 7th overall pick, then a trade up from a high second rounder back into the first for Simmons? 

    It boggles the mind FLugs! 

    I hear ya - just keep it nourished with cold beer.  

    We should get a good look at Simmons tonight; and it sounds like he will be tested.   

    @flugel said:

    I hear ya - just keep it nourished with cold beer.  

    We should get a good look at Simmons tonight; and it sounds like he will be tested.   

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

  • @flugel said:

    I hear ya - just keep it nourished with cold beer.  

    We should get a good look at Simmons tonight; and it sounds like he will be tested.   

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

    Ready for this? He was lost for the year in the Oregon Game.  That's me and you being really on top of it all.  Yeah, we got it covered. 

  • @flugel said:

    I hear ya - just keep it nourished with cold beer.  

    We should get a good look at Simmons tonight; and it sounds like he will be tested.   

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

    @flugel said:

    Ready for this? He was lost for the year in the Oregon Game.  That's me and you being really on top of it all.  Yeah, we got it covered. 

     When he was lost, Donovan Jackson began sliding over to LT out of pure necessity.  That's the lineman from tOSU people aren't talking about enough.   While he wasn't great in pass pro, he was still serviceable in the time of need and mauls in the running game.   Reminds me of Yanda a bit. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Simmons had a season ending injury sometime before the Penn State game 

    @flugel said:

    Ready for this? He was lost for the year in the Oregon Game.  That's me and you being really on top of it all.  Yeah, we got it covered. 

     When he was lost, Donovan Jackson began sliding over to LT out of pure necessity.  That's the lineman from tOSU people aren't talking about enough.   While he wasn't great in pass pro, he was still serviceable in the time of need and mauls in the running game.   Reminds me of Yanda a bit. 

    @tiamat63 said:

     When he was lost, Donovan Jackson began sliding over to LT out of pure necessity.  That's the lineman from tOSU people aren't talking about enough.   While he wasn't great in pass pro, he was still serviceable in the time of need and mauls in the running game.   Reminds me of Yanda a bit. 

    Pertinent to tonight, if TN's strength is their pass rush - RUN the ball down their esophagus!  More specifically with your term I bolded above MAUL them.

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