Will Howard
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Will Howard to the Steelers at #21 is an even bigger reach than Kenny Pickett was a few years ago.
I'd laugh my ass off if they did something that idiotic. Please do it.
Will Howard to the Steelers at #21 is an even bigger reach than Kenny Pickett was a few years ago.
I'd laugh my ass off if they did something that idiotic. Please do it.
If people view Dart as a late 1st round pick, there's no reason they shouldn't feel the same about Howard.
He put up similar and slightly better stat categories in an offense that actually has a larger degree of complexity for certain reads.
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Will Howard to the Steelers at #21 is an even bigger reach than Kenny Pickett was a few years ago.
I'd laugh my ass off if they did something that idiotic. Please do it.
Will Howard to the Steelers at #21 is an even bigger reach than Kenny Pickett was a few years ago.
I'd laugh my ass off if they did something that idiotic. Please do it.
This is Will Howard below before he was surrounded with Buckeye caliber talent. Any of that look like a 1st round draft pick? Like most prospects his age, the ability to succeed counts a lot on the organization he is going to. Before I forget - kudos to Cal for just learning Will Howard went to KSU.
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Will Howard to the Steelers at #21 is an even bigger reach than Kenny Pickett was a few years ago.
I'd laugh my ass off if they did something that idiotic. Please do it.
This is Will Howard below before he was surrounded with Buckeye caliber talent. Any of that look like a 1st round draft pick? Like most prospects his age, the ability to succeed counts a lot on the organization he is going to. Before I forget - kudos to Cal for just learning Will Howard went to KSU.
This is Will Howard below before he was surrounded with Buckeye caliber talent. Any of that look like a 1st round draft pick? Like most prospects his age, the ability to succeed counts a lot on the organization he is going to. Before I forget - kudos to Cal for just learning Will Howard went to KSU.
Well, Cu Clux Cal did think Roethlisberger played for the U of Miami Hurricanes, so...
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This is Will Howard below before he was surrounded with Buckeye caliber talent. Any of that look like a 1st round draft pick? Like most prospects his age, the ability to succeed counts a lot on the organization he is going to. Before I forget - kudos to Cal for just learning Will Howard went to KSU.
Well, Cu Clux Cal did think Roethlisberger played for the U of Miami Hurricanes, so...
Well, Clu Clux Cal did think Roethlisberger played for the U of Miami Hurricanes, so...
? Baby steps. We don't want to mess him up with tricky stuff like: if Miami of Ohio is playing against Miami, FL - who is the home team? Spoiler alert: Miami.
He does know Ohio State plays in Ohio and Kansas State plays in Kansas.
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In not opposed to Milroe or Howard in the 3rd round.
Subpackage for Milroe could be lethal and Howard at the very least should be very solid 2 in the mold of a Flacco rhythm playaction QB.
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In not opposed to Milroe or Howard in the 3rd round.
Subpackage for Milroe could be lethal and Howard at the very least should be very solid 2 in the mold of a Flacco rhythm playaction QB.
In not opposed to Milroe or Howard in the 3rd round.
Subpackage for Milroe could be lethal and Howard at the very least should be very solid 2 in the mold of a Flacco rhythm playaction QB.
Howard to the raiders in the 3rd kinda makes sense
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There's no reason to not only package picks, but to take Howard that high. He won't be a round 2 pick.
4th, at the earliest. Unless some GM gets a wild hair up his ass.
That - or- a control freak owner forgets to take his Prevagen and what could go wrong? Says the guy who is replying to you 6 weeks later...
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There's no reason to not only package picks, but to take Howard that high. He won't be a round 2 pick.
4th, at the earliest. Unless some GM gets a wild hair up his ass.
That - or- a control freak owner forgets to take his Prevagen and what could go wrong? Says the guy who is replying to you 6 weeks later...
That - or- a control freak owner forgets to take his Prevagen and what could go wrong? Says the guy who is replying to you 6 weeks later...
Better late than never. Looking at the overall strength and depth of this QB class, I may have been wrong in my initial assessment. While he won't go day 1, I still still highly doubt Will goes 2nd round.
3rd round though? Much more likely than I initially believed. Especially consider that's when the 2nd wave of QB runs should trigger.
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That - or- a control freak owner forgets to take his Prevagen and what could go wrong? Says the guy who is replying to you 6 weeks later...
Better late than never. Looking at the overall strength and depth of this QB class, I may have been wrong in my initial assessment. While he won't go day 1, I still still highly doubt Will goes 2nd round.
3rd round though? Much more likely than I initially believed. Especially consider that's when the 2nd wave of QB runs should trigger.
Better late than never. Looking at the overall strength and depth of this QB class, I may have been wrong in my initial assessment. While he won't go day 1, I still still highly doubt Will goes 2nd round.
3rd round though? Much more likely than I initially believed. Especially consider that's when the 2nd wave of QB runs should trigger.
FWIW, if anyone would have told me Bo Nix was a 1st round QB prospect when he was playing at Auburn (as opposed to Oregon) I would have had a bunch of questions for that person. As it all played out with him going to an ideal coach as a rookie - everything fell into place.
I don't think he was really all that far above a lot of this year's prospects. What worked in his favor, like some of the prospects this year, was the amount of starting experience he had (and in 2 different programs/systems).
This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
Not sure what it will all translate to but the coaching staff of their new teams will also have some accountability in the overall outcome. Will they let Tommy Rees do his job or will he get power-played by lesser abilities out ranking him at Haslam Inc? We shall see...
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Better late than never. Looking at the overall strength and depth of this QB class, I may have been wrong in my initial assessment. While he won't go day 1, I still still highly doubt Will goes 2nd round.
3rd round though? Much more likely than I initially believed. Especially consider that's when the 2nd wave of QB runs should trigger.
FWIW, if anyone would have told me Bo Nix was a 1st round QB prospect when he was playing at Auburn (as opposed to Oregon) I would have had a bunch of questions for that person. As it all played out with him going to an ideal coach as a rookie - everything fell into place.
I don't think he was really all that far above a lot of this year's prospects. What worked in his favor, like some of the prospects this year, was the amount of starting experience he had (and in 2 different programs/systems).
This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
Not sure what it will all translate to but the coaching staff of their new teams will also have some accountability in the overall outcome. Will they let Tommy Rees do his job or will he get power-played by lesser abilities out ranking him at Haslam Inc? We shall see...
This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
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This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
Well said Dutch! This is a big reason I keep thinking this QB class overall might be a little underrated. The lingering question is what guys are going to their ideal match/team.
That's going to be very interesting to see what happens with Manning. He's got more of his grandfather's game than Peyton or Eli had in terms of his ability to scramble. That kid's got an acceleration gear. Makes sense - his dad was recruited by Ole Miss as a WR. Like Uncle Peyton, he turned down Ole Miss for another UT football program that wears orange and white. ?
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This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
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This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
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This year's group has the following experience:
- Cam Ward: 5 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 57 starts (Incarnate Word, Washington State, Miami,FL)
- Shedeur Sanders: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Jackson State, Colorado)
- Dillon Gabriel: 6 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 64 starts (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon)
- Tyler Shough: 7 years w/ starts at 3 different schools = 42 starts - 2 broken collar bones none since surgery (Oregon, Texas Tech, Louisville)
- Kurtis Rourke: 6 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 48 starts (Ohio University, Indiana)
- Will Howard: 5 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 50 starts (Kansas State, Ohio State)
- Riley Leonard: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 43 starts (Duke, Notre Dame)
- Jaxson Dart: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 45 starts (USC, Ole Miss)
- Kyle McCord: 4 years w/ starts at 2 different schools = 37 starts (Ohio State, The Syracuse University)
- Quinn Ewers: 4 years w/ starts at 1 school after red shirting at Ohio State = 37 starts (Texas)
- Jalen Milroe: 4 years w/ starts at Alabama only = 38 starts (Alabama)
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
This is a recent trend that I love to see, and a somewhat unexpected result of the transfer portal/NIL: QBs with a TON of college starting experience.
It wasn't that long ago where most of the "top" prospects would struggle to have 25 or so college starts. It still happens, of course, but the above is starting to become common. That makes for a better NFL, IMO.
Arch Manning could be an outlier, as he would enter the 2026 NFL Draft with less than 20 college starts... IF he does decide to enter the draft. The kid comes from money, obviously, and after the 2025 college season could get a boatload of NIL money to stay at Texas for another season. Hell, Carson Beck apparently got paid $4.3 mill to go to the U of Miami this season. Beck is a mid-round QB prospect at this point coming off an injury.
I wouldn’t bet on Arch entering the draft next year. The family MO, perhaps it’s changed over the years, Grandpa wanted Peyton and Eli to fulfill their college eligibility. He’s quoted with some of his rationale… And you are right NIL money is rich these days. He has the same probability of being at Ole Miss with Lane in 2026 as being in the NFL.
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There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
I love it! Joe Gibbs' went to 4 Super Bowls with Joe Theisman, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien from 1981 to 1992. They drafted and built up that line everyone called "The Hogs" with physical RBs like John Riggins, Earnest Byner, and to a lesser extent Timmy Smith who lit the Denver Broncos up in the Super Bowl with 204 yards rushing and 2 TDs. They only lost 1 of the 4 Super Bowls in that span to the Raiders. That was an offense predicated on the success of the running game that was well designed to over-power everyone. They ran the inside Traps to perfection; and they could also run over and through just about any body the way they chose their personnel and perfected what Gibbs wanted to do with it. There were some Delaware Wing T concepts in there - they ran the "buck series." He also brought over some of Don Coryell's Passing Game Design having been his Oline Coach at SD State from 64-67 before coaching for him again with the St Louis Cardinals from 73-77 and later the Chargers in 79. Despite all that, I didn't ever root for that team until Byner became their feature back and made the Pro Bowl won the Super Bowl. Couldn't think of a guy more deserving. Even more so, it was nice to see him in a well orchestrated highly efficient offense. The Running game set-up ideal play-action for the QB to get the ball to WRs such as Rickey Sanders, Gary Clark, and HOFer Art Monk as well as TEs Clint Didier/Don Warren/Rick Walker...
Today's free agency, salary cap and changes to the game make it tough to establish any type of long term dynasty like NE had IMO. When Belichick got capped out the Patriots finally crapped out. Keeping a large nucleus like the Redskins or Patriots had or even the Cowboys when they went binged up 3 Super Bowls. It'll be interesting to see what happens in KC and Philly. Philly's offensive and defensive lines bullied and buried KC to the extent it didn't matter how much better of a QB Mahomes is than Hurts. Howie Roseman drafted every starter on that OL; and he didn't have to do it all at once or even in the 1st round in many instances (except Lane Johnson). They had 2nd rounders, a 3rd and that 6'8" 365 lb monster at LT is a 7th round pick. They look built to last but you know how quickly things can change in this league.
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There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
Chardon high school, not far from where I grew up, won a state title a couple years ago running wing T. Never threw more than 10 passes a game.
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Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
Chardon high school, not far from where I grew up, won a state title a couple years ago running wing T. Never threw more than 10 passes a game.
Chardon high school, not far from where I grew up, won a state title a couple years ago running wing T. Never threw more than 10 passes a game.
I coached for two seasons middle school kids down in Perry, who still used the Wing T too under Coach Wakefield
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I coached for two seasons middle school kids down in Perry, who still used the Wing T too under Coach Wakefield
No shit? I've gone to the Panthers vs Tigers game a couple times because a childhood friend lives down there and runs a Tigers Etsy shop for the school. Great rivalry game, great Friday night atmosphere when they played. I know Wakefield was a long time coach for the Panthers.
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? I got my Wing-T Coaches mixed up. It was Marv Levy in Kansas City that used the Wing T.
Here's Google: When he coached the Kansas City Chiefs, Marv Levy primarily used the Wing-T offense. This was a significant departure from the no-huddle offense he later famously implemented with the Buffalo Bills. In 1978, the Chiefs under Levy set an NFL record for rushing attempts in a single game while utilizing the Wing-T.
Joe Gibbs was the HC that invented/used the H-Back. I did get the personnel right in Washington and the inside counters/traps they liked to run. I forgot to include WR Charlie Brown though. I did say he got most of his passing game from Don Coryell. My bad - sorry about that guys.
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There's a phrase I recently heard - "Do things the right way vs Do the things right".
I suppose this is also coming up as a microcosm for my frustration in watching not only Jaxon Dart, but a lot of major college offenses anymore that are 'see it, throw it'. Tom Brady was absolutely right; we teach playbooks, not programs. We don't develop QBs holistically. And it has effected WAY more than just QBs (OL is the next position group that just isn't what it used to be.
Having a QB stay in school long enough to be old a doctor is fucking neat. But if you play in a nanny-state offense that never challenges you to grow as a passer, then the amount of starts, while certainly have merit, also becomes watered down.
Unfortunately the "see it, throw it" offenses are EVERYWHERE now.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s how successful they would be now. You trained your team like it was 1960. You have them doing blocking drills incessantly. You have them doing tackling drills incessantly. You literally have them doing the Oklahoma drills. You run Lombardi's offense. You find yourself a tough Jim Taylor and pound the ball inside on high school defenses that are running 3-3-5 every Friday. You run the Packer sweep with guards pulling and looking to wipe people out. You have the QBs in the pocket and making progressions.
How would an old-school, physical team with old-school sensibilities do against finesse teams of today?
I know my rant here wasn't exactly what you were talking about, but I figured you or Flugs would enjoy this hypothetical.
I often wonder if someone took a high school team and basically ran the team like Lombardi did the Packers in 1960s
Sure. As long as you have a good sized school with BIG kids on your team. Perhaps all you have to do is run the Tush Push. But are the kids really learning for the college and/or pro ranks? It used to be that college ran the ball and the pros passed the ball. At least now they align better.
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