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    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    If we could vote remotely / virtually / over the Internet, and it was completely guaranteed to be 100% legitimate (no hacking, no double voting, only eligible voters, etc) would you support it?

    If not, why?

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      Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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        Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

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          Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

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          @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

          Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

          In this hypothetical question we are somehow rock solid convinced that stuff like that won’t happen. I agree though, the process of convincing us that it’s 100% legitimate would be the most difficult part of it.

          I would begrudgingly be a yes on it. My thinking is that it would be beneficial to certain segments of our society, namely the elderly who don’t always get around so well, and the poor, who also don’t get around so well.

          There would be a part of me that would lament the loss of yet another thing that we used to do in person that we no longer have to do in person. I’m a fan of actual human interaction and l think we need more opportunities for that, not less. I worry that all this online stuff contributes to people feeling disengaged from one another, and something like voting is the type of thing important enough to experience first hand. 

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            @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

            Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

            In this hypothetical question we are somehow rock solid convinced that stuff like that won’t happen. I agree though, the process of convincing us that it’s 100% legitimate would be the most difficult part of it.

            I would begrudgingly be a yes on it. My thinking is that it would be beneficial to certain segments of our society, namely the elderly who don’t always get around so well, and the poor, who also don’t get around so well.

            There would be a part of me that would lament the loss of yet another thing that we used to do in person that we no longer have to do in person. I’m a fan of actual human interaction and l think we need more opportunities for that, not less. I worry that all this online stuff contributes to people feeling disengaged from one another, and something like voting is the type of thing important enough to experience first hand. 

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            @ibleedbrown said:

            In this hypothetical question we are somehow rock solid convinced that stuff like that won’t happen. I agree though, the process of convincing us that it’s 100% legitimate would be the most difficult part of it.

            I would begrudgingly be a yes on it. My thinking is that it would be beneficial to certain segments of our society, namely the elderly who don’t always get around so well, and the poor, who also don’t get around so well.

            There would be a part of me that would lament the loss of yet another thing that we used to do in person that we no longer have to do in person. I’m a fan of actual human interaction and l think we need more opportunities for that, not less. I worry that all this online stuff contributes to people feeling disengaged from one another, and something like voting is the type of thing important enough to experience first hand. 

            In the world of "human interaction we need to keep" I don't think waiting in line for hours to vote is super high on that list for me. 

            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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              Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

              Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

              Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

              Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

                Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

                Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

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                @mld-woody said:

                Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

                Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

                I don't think he's trolling.. It is a legitimate concern... I would be in favor as long it is a bipartisan effort by both Dems and Repubs that had a selected joint panel to oversee the preceedings

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                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                  If woodpeckers had space helmets, they could fly to the moon?

                  No, because it is impossible to make it secure like it would need to be.

                  It's the old "if pigs had giant wings they could fly" nonsense.

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                    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                    Absolutely not.  There is already enough cheating going on.  Not to mention all the illegals who would vote.  Internet will always be hacked.

                    Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

                    Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

                    Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

                    How the hell are you going to '100 percent guarantee' anything?

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Again, I'm saying if it was guaranteed none of that was going to happen. 

                      Not sure if you're just doing a usual troll post or what, but I covered all that laying out my hypothetical 

                      I don't think he's trolling.. It is a legitimate concern... I would be in favor as long it is a bipartisan effort by both Dems and Repubs that had a selected joint panel to oversee the preceedings

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                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                      @nickers said:

                      I don't think he's trolling.. It is a legitimate concern... I would be in favor as long it is a bipartisan effort by both Dems and Repubs that had a selected joint panel to oversee the preceedings

                      @calfoxwc said:

                      If woodpeckers had space helmets, they could fly to the moon?

                      No, because it is impossible to make it secure like it would need to be.

                      It's the old "if pigs had giant wings they could fly" nonsense.

                      @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                      How the hell are you going to '100 percent guarantee' anything?

                      Guys, again, it's a hypothetical. 

                      There's no point in convincing you that it maybe could be considering your current beliefs about our election prices. 

                      So this is a hypothetical. You're assuming it's all legit. In that case, would you be ok with it?

                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                        @nickers said:

                        I don't think he's trolling.. It is a legitimate concern... I would be in favor as long it is a bipartisan effort by both Dems and Repubs that had a selected joint panel to oversee the preceedings

                        @calfoxwc said:

                        If woodpeckers had space helmets, they could fly to the moon?

                        No, because it is impossible to make it secure like it would need to be.

                        It's the old "if pigs had giant wings they could fly" nonsense.

                        @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                        How the hell are you going to '100 percent guarantee' anything?

                        Guys, again, it's a hypothetical. 

                        There's no point in convincing you that it maybe could be considering your current beliefs about our election prices. 

                        So this is a hypothetical. You're assuming it's all legit. In that case, would you be ok with it?

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                        nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Guys, again, it's a hypothetical. 

                        There's no point in convincing you that it maybe could be considering your current beliefs about our election prices. 

                        So this is a hypothetical. You're assuming it's all legit. In that case, would you be ok with it?

                        We get that... I just don't think it's feasible considering the political climate these days... They just can't get along on either side...

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                          The hypothetical is impossible. That makes it an exercise in a waste of time.

                          It also seems to be a ploy to get into 100% emoting on an issue.

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                            I'm with Ibleed, and to add, if it's important enough to vote on, then it's important enough to make an effort to show up in person.

                            I don't know how many actually wait in line for hours but I hardly ever catch a line, if I do it's 10 minutes.

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Guys, again, it's a hypothetical. 

                              There's no point in convincing you that it maybe could be considering your current beliefs about our election prices. 

                              So this is a hypothetical. You're assuming it's all legit. In that case, would you be ok with it?

                              We get that... I just don't think it's feasible considering the political climate these days... They just can't get along on either side...

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              @nickers said:

                              We get that... I just don't think it's feasible considering the political climate these days... They just can't get along on either side...

                              @calfoxwc said:

                              The hypothetical is impossible. That makes it an exercise in a waste of time.

                              It also seems to be a ploy to get into 100% emoting on an issue.

                              I don't get why you two are making this so difficult. In this scenario there's no fraud. That's how the hypothetical works

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                                @ibleedbrown said:

                                In this hypothetical question we are somehow rock solid convinced that stuff like that won’t happen. I agree though, the process of convincing us that it’s 100% legitimate would be the most difficult part of it.

                                I would begrudgingly be a yes on it. My thinking is that it would be beneficial to certain segments of our society, namely the elderly who don’t always get around so well, and the poor, who also don’t get around so well.

                                There would be a part of me that would lament the loss of yet another thing that we used to do in person that we no longer have to do in person. I’m a fan of actual human interaction and l think we need more opportunities for that, not less. I worry that all this online stuff contributes to people feeling disengaged from one another, and something like voting is the type of thing important enough to experience first hand. 

                                In the world of "human interaction we need to keep" I don't think waiting in line for hours to vote is super high on that list for me. 

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                                IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                @mld-woody said:

                                In the world of "human interaction we need to keep" I don't think waiting in line for hours to vote is super high on that list for me. 

                                Hours is excessive, l get that. I’m fortunate l have a less traveled polling place a block away, 15-20 min max to do the thing. 

                                I did say l was a begrudging yes though. We are running thin on human interaction opportunities though. Heck, people don’t even have to grocery shop or go to church in person anymore. 

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                                  @nickers said:

                                  We get that... I just don't think it's feasible considering the political climate these days... They just can't get along on either side...

                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  The hypothetical is impossible. That makes it an exercise in a waste of time.

                                  It also seems to be a ploy to get into 100% emoting on an issue.

                                  I don't get why you two are making this so difficult. In this scenario there's no fraud. That's how the hypothetical works

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  I don't get why you two are making this so difficult. In this scenario there's no fraud. That's how the hypothetical works

                                  Everyone knows how hypotheticals work, Woody, dammit. lol

                                  But the answers are validly reflecting the impossibility of the scenario.

                                  It isn't a very good hypothetical.

                                  If someone asked "if you were lost in the wilderness with just a fixed blade knife, for three weeks, would you do well?"

                                  is theoretically quite possible.

                                     If someone asks "if there was a new stairway to the moon, and you could walk up it safely, with a space helmet, would you walk it?" would just be nonsense. A waste of time trying to take it legitimately.

                                     Just my expert opinion, of course... lol

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    I don't get why you two are making this so difficult. In this scenario there's no fraud. That's how the hypothetical works

                                    Everyone knows how hypotheticals work, Woody, dammit. lol

                                    But the answers are validly reflecting the impossibility of the scenario.

                                    It isn't a very good hypothetical.

                                    If someone asked "if you were lost in the wilderness with just a fixed blade knife, for three weeks, would you do well?"

                                    is theoretically quite possible.

                                       If someone asks "if there was a new stairway to the moon, and you could walk up it safely, with a space helmet, would you walk it?" would just be nonsense. A waste of time trying to take it legitimately.

                                       Just my expert opinion, of course... lol

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                                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    Everyone knows how hypotheticals work, Woody, dammit. lol

                                    But the answers are validly reflecting the impossibility of the scenario.

                                    It isn't a very good hypothetical.

                                    If someone asked "if you were lost in the wilderness with just a fixed blade knife, for three weeks, would you do well?"

                                    is theoretically quite possible.

                                       If someone asks "if there was a new stairway to the moon, and you could walk up it safely, with a space helmet, would you walk it?" would just be nonsense. A waste of time trying to take it legitimately.

                                       Just my expert opinion, of course... lol

                                    It's much more viable than you think. But, again, given your misinformed views of our current election process I'm not surprised you think that way. 

                                    So then, you're just going to refuse to answer at all? Well, alright 

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      In the world of "human interaction we need to keep" I don't think waiting in line for hours to vote is super high on that list for me. 

                                      Hours is excessive, l get that. I’m fortunate l have a less traveled polling place a block away, 15-20 min max to do the thing. 

                                      I did say l was a begrudging yes though. We are running thin on human interaction opportunities though. Heck, people don’t even have to grocery shop or go to church in person anymore. 

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                                      @ibleedbrown said:

                                      Hours is excessive, l get that. I’m fortunate l have a less traveled polling place a block away, 15-20 min max to do the thing. 

                                      I did say l was a begrudging yes though. We are running thin on human interaction opportunities though. Heck, people don’t even have to grocery shop or go to church in person anymore. 

                                      I think the lack of human interaction is overblown. Still plenty of places to get it, you just also have the ability to avoid it in more places now. If you want a bunch of human interaction it isn't hard to seek out. 

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                                        If we could vote remotely / virtually / over the Internet, and it was completely guaranteed to be 100% legitimate (no hacking, no double voting, only eligible voters, etc) would you support it?

                                        If not, why?

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        If we could vote remotely / virtually / over the Internet, and it was completely guaranteed to be 100% legitimate (no hacking, no double voting, only eligible voters, etc) would you support it?

                                        If not, why?

                                        “About four-in-ten adults with lower incomes do not have home broadband services (43%) or a desktop or laptop computer (41%).”

                                        “In 2024, approximately 15% of American adults did not have a cell phone at all.”

                                        “In the United States, Pew Research Center data indicates that 7% of adults do not use the internet at all. “

                                        You would be disenfranchising those you claim are disenfranchised by requiring photo ID.

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          If we could vote remotely / virtually / over the Internet, and it was completely guaranteed to be 100% legitimate (no hacking, no double voting, only eligible voters, etc) would you support it?

                                          If not, why?

                                          “About four-in-ten adults with lower incomes do not have home broadband services (43%) or a desktop or laptop computer (41%).”

                                          “In 2024, approximately 15% of American adults did not have a cell phone at all.”

                                          “In the United States, Pew Research Center data indicates that 7% of adults do not use the internet at all. “

                                          You would be disenfranchising those you claim are disenfranchised by requiring photo ID.

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                                          @fy56 said:

                                          “About four-in-ten adults with lower incomes do not have home broadband services (43%) or a desktop or laptop computer (41%).”

                                          “In 2024, approximately 15% of American adults did not have a cell phone at all.”

                                          “In the United States, Pew Research Center data indicates that 7% of adults do not use the internet at all. “

                                          You would be disenfranchising those you claim are disenfranchised by requiring photo ID.

                                          LOL.

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