Flag burning poll
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then my response to kicking the shit out of said flag burner is my right and their consequence
you know an action for an action posing as free speech?
By that logic, you're cool when a Muslim beheads someone because they drew a picture of Mohammed?
By that logic, you're cool when a Muslim beheads someone because they drew a picture of Mohammed?
That's totally not the same logic.
The same logic would be if someone leaves tire marks on a BLM or rainbow street painting and gets arrested for it. Which the left has a double standard for.
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It is protected speech under 1A, in my opinion. What does the board think?
It is protected speech under 1A, in my opinion. What does the board think?
I agree with you
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then my response to kicking the shit out of said flag burner is my right and their consequence
you know an action for an action posing as free speech?
then my response to kicking the shit out of said flag burner is my right and their consequence
you know an action for an action posing as free speech?
Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
By that logic, you're cool when a Muslim beheads someone because they drew a picture of Mohammed?
That's totally not the same logic.
The same logic would be if someone leaves tire marks on a BLM or rainbow street painting and gets arrested for it. Which the left has a double standard for.
That's totally not the same logic.
The same logic would be if someone leaves tire marks on a BLM or rainbow street painting and gets arrested for it. Which the left has a double standard for.
Calling those things hate crimes is bullshit. So how about we get rid of the bullshit instead of expanding what it applies to?
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By that logic, you're cool when a Muslim beheads someone because they drew a picture of Mohammed?
I didnt know that sharia law coexists in my decision to act within your circular equivalence example. Is that legal?
I didnt know that sharia law coexists in my decision to act within your circular equivalence example. Is that legal?
How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
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then my response to kicking the shit out of said flag burner is my right and their consequence
you know an action for an action posing as free speech?
Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Does calling someone a name, any name racist or not, give you the right to assault them?
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I didnt know that sharia law coexists in my decision to act within your circular equivalence example. Is that legal?
How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
Only you decapitated someone in your example lol, that's far from a hit or an ass kicking. It also dealt with a terroristic action with a foreign ideology not in the spirit of defending our country which is ingrained in people especially those that served to honor and protect the flag and what it represents. In this country, maybe it's time we start finding reasons to defend it instead of looking for reasons to tear it down. I think this is the the spirit in which Trump is trying to get at.
I voted should not be illegal so long as it's a flag you bought and paid for.
Though I go with the caveat that if you are not a citizen then there should be punishment plus automatic deportation to our destination of choice.
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I do believe the core issue is that the burning of the flag is done so to incite a riot.
what other purpose is there for burning the flag?
if you want to go in your backyard and burn your flag have at it loser.
i dont think there should be zero tolerance policy on burning the flag
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Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Does calling someone a name, any name racist or not, give you the right to assault them?
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then my response to kicking the shit out of said flag burner is my right and their consequence
you know an action for an action posing as free speech?
Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Shut up and read pecker
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I didnt know that sharia law coexists in my decision to act within your circular equivalence example. Is that legal?
How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
There is no escape from consequence for actions taken, or even spoken as per 1st amendment rights. Talk shit / get hit is different than do shit / get hit. I side with the liberty I might choose to take. And it might include violence with prejudice. Sorry not sorry
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well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
The left demands to own definitions of words that THEY create. "hate crime" means what they espouse has been offended.
But if they hate our American flag, hate our country, hate republicans, hate Christians, hate God, hate everything else they don't like......
that is ok because THEY decide what is allowed to be hated, and they feel no crime against what they hate is unjustified.
They love their illegals, so they feel the accompanying violent crimes are not to be talked about, even ignored/ridiculed.
But wait til someone burns a gay pride flag? Then all leftwing liberal outrage ensures.
Liberals want our American flag to be allowed to be burned as "free speech".
Not in public it is not.
Simply put - to liberals, burning flags is only free speech when liberals decide it's free speech.
I believe burning flags in public is yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. It's meant to induce panic, terror and violence with an entire crowd trying to get out the doors.
On PRINCIPLE - burning symbolic flags in public should be considered deliberately "inciting to riot".
And yes, so many of our military fought and died died for our American flag - and in public, a "citizens arrest" should be a given. With violence if necessary.
But as always, the left's hypocrisy is there for all America to see.
An Iowa man has been sentenced to 16 years in prison after setting a local church's LGBTQ flag on fire this past June. 30-year-old Adolfo Martinez, according to the Des Moines Register, was arrested after stealing a pride banner and later burning it outside a strip club. -
This starts a slippery slope.
Freedom of speech is a powerful right, while I agree with everyone's spirit in wanting to ban burning the American flag, being able to burn it is equally in the spirit of our country.
If you are not a US citizen, then burning our flag in our country should bring punishment and/or being deported.
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How is that a circular argument? You abide by talk shit, get hit. Answer the question, should burning the American flag be illegal?
Only you decapitated someone in your example lol, that's far from a hit or an ass kicking. It also dealt with a terroristic action with a foreign ideology not in the spirit of defending our country which is ingrained in people especially those that served to honor and protect the flag and what it represents. In this country, maybe it's time we start finding reasons to defend it instead of looking for reasons to tear it down. I think this is the the spirit in which Trump is trying to get at.
I voted should not be illegal so long as it's a flag you bought and paid for.
Though I go with the caveat that if you are not a citizen then there should be punishment plus automatic deportation to our destination of choice.
I voted should not be illegal so long as it's a flag you bought and paid for.
Then we are in agreement.
I do believe the core issue is that the burning of the flag is done so to incite a riot.
what other purpose is there for burning the flag?
if you want to go in your backyard and burn your flag have at it loser.
Who gets to decide if it's inciting a riot or not? There was a retired vet who, earlier this week, burned the flag in protest of Trump's announcement and accepted his arrest for it. He wasn't starting a riot. He was making a political statement. He's going to end up winning a big settlement from the US taxpayer because of it.
yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
This argument is wrong and only ever gets used by people who want to take away free speech rights. The courts ruled that the act of "yelling fire" cannot be illegal in and of itself. It can be yelled for a lot of reasons. The courts set a very high bar for when doing so would be illegal, and that would be in the case of speech that is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
Best of luck proving that intent in court. Going to be a massive waste of taxpayer dollar if we try to prosecute everyone who burns the flag on those grounds.
If you are not a US citizen, then burning our flag in our country should bring punishment and/or being deported.
I agree with this.
There is no escape from consequence for actions taken, or even spoken as per 1st amendment rights. Talk shit / get hit is different than do shit / get hit. I side with the liberty I might choose to take. And it might include violence with prejudice. Sorry not sorry
Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
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Why would someone expressing their first amendment rights give you the right to assault then without consequence?
Shut up and read pecker
Shut up and read pecker
No answer then? Lovely
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well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
The left demands to own definitions of words that THEY create. "hate crime" means what they espouse has been offended.
But if they hate our American flag, hate our country, hate republicans, hate Christians, hate God, hate everything else they don't like......
that is ok because THEY decide what is allowed to be hated, and they feel no crime against what they hate is unjustified.
They love their illegals, so they feel the accompanying violent crimes are not to be talked about, even ignored/ridiculed.
But wait til someone burns a gay pride flag? Then all leftwing liberal outrage ensures.
Liberals want our American flag to be allowed to be burned as "free speech".
Not in public it is not.
Simply put - to liberals, burning flags is only free speech when liberals decide it's free speech.
I believe burning flags in public is yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater. It's meant to induce panic, terror and violence with an entire crowd trying to get out the doors.
On PRINCIPLE - burning symbolic flags in public should be considered deliberately "inciting to riot".
And yes, so many of our military fought and died died for our American flag - and in public, a "citizens arrest" should be a given. With violence if necessary.
But as always, the left's hypocrisy is there for all America to see.
An Iowa man has been sentenced to 16 years in prison after setting a local church's LGBTQ flag on fire this past June. 30-year-old Adolfo Martinez, according to the Des Moines Register, was arrested after stealing a pride banner and later burning it outside a strip club.well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
How dare you even compare gay pride in the same breath as the American flag or Christianity for that matter... In case it hasn't dawned on you... America was founded on Christian principles.. Not gay shit!... You are one sick fucking lunatic... You belong in an insane asylum.. stick to sports... Your out of your lane here..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
well, I voted "yes". Because - free speech is one thing, but yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
Where is the line drawn?
The question needs clarification. Burning our American flag in private - who cares? nobody knows.
but burning our American flag in front of a crowd, in front of a veterans day assembly, etc etc, is openly inciting offense and tentatively inciting violence.
Lot of insane rambling in your post past the point above, which I deleted
Just to confirm though, you're saying if you say (this is essentially speech) something in front of a group that the group doesn't like, you're trying to incite a riot and it should be illegal
If a conservative Christian went to a gay pride parade and yelled at those in the parade that being gay is a sin, is that not the same thing? Should that conservative Christian's speech be censured and prosecuted because they're trying to incite a riot?
I'm not holding my breath you'll actually comprehend the similarities here, but we'll see.
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you are sticking up the forum again. The subject is BURNING SYMBOLIC FLAGS just to incite unrest and deliberately anger/offend a lot of people.
You can't legally yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. You can't incite to riot.
No similarities anything. Do you condemn that person going to prison for years for burning a gay flag? or not?
Again, you are proving what I say is true - you lefties pick and choose when free speech is allowed. That is extremely wrong. Do you think it's funny to be so stupid in your posts?
The U.S. Constitution Online
Jun 13, 2025The urgent constitutional test we now face is defining the razor-thin line between protected advocacy and prosecutable incitement. If a group funds, organizes, or directs actions that predictably erupt into violence, should they be protected by the Constitution… or prosecuted under it? -
I voted should not be illegal so long as it's a flag you bought and paid for.
Then we are in agreement.
I do believe the core issue is that the burning of the flag is done so to incite a riot.
what other purpose is there for burning the flag?
if you want to go in your backyard and burn your flag have at it loser.
Who gets to decide if it's inciting a riot or not? There was a retired vet who, earlier this week, burned the flag in protest of Trump's announcement and accepted his arrest for it. He wasn't starting a riot. He was making a political statement. He's going to end up winning a big settlement from the US taxpayer because of it.
yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater is NOT.
This argument is wrong and only ever gets used by people who want to take away free speech rights. The courts ruled that the act of "yelling fire" cannot be illegal in and of itself. It can be yelled for a lot of reasons. The courts set a very high bar for when doing so would be illegal, and that would be in the case of speech that is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
Best of luck proving that intent in court. Going to be a massive waste of taxpayer dollar if we try to prosecute everyone who burns the flag on those grounds.
If you are not a US citizen, then burning our flag in our country should bring punishment and/or being deported.
I agree with this.
There is no escape from consequence for actions taken, or even spoken as per 1st amendment rights. Talk shit / get hit is different than do shit / get hit. I side with the liberty I might choose to take. And it might include violence with prejudice. Sorry not sorry
Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
Ah, I see, you side with the blacks that sucker punched and stomped on the white peoples' heads in Cincinnati because they allegedly used the xbox word.
this will keep going til you are able to pull out a jew hate reference ... of which im not surprised because it cant fit into the box you are thinking out of.
regarding violence - heres my agreement to its agency
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very very dangerous man who has that (violent response) under voluntary control." Jordan Peterson
do you think that the Marxists hiding in plain sight are using the flag burning protection bullshit to incite peace?
so go back to my first response ^ and fuck off with comparisons to your own bigotry
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