Defensive-Minded vs Offensive-Minded Head Coach
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If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
Is a true WR1 necessary?
With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
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If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
Is a true WR1 necessary?
With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
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Nope. We already have a top 3 defense in the NFL. A DC oriented HC would be a waste of opportunity to dramatically improve the team.
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Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
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No, but we have to define "Franchise QB"
"A "franchise QB" refers to a quarterback in American football who is considered the best player on their team and is essential for the team's long-term success. This term highlights the player's ability to lead the team and be a cornerstone for future development."
and
"A franchise quarterback is more than just a thrower—they're a leader, tactician, athlete, and cultural cornerstone. In a league that revolves around the position, getting this piece right can define a team's fortunes for a decade or more."
Meaning, it's possible to find that qb out of the top of the first round.
Somewhere between where Fernandez will be drafted, and where Brock Purdy was drafted, teams have to find their guy. Like where Tom Brady was drafted?
I'm serious about this guy. He has the skills and experience to grow into a franchise qb, I think.
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Mark Gronowski (11) Quarterback - PRONUNCIATION HONORS AND AWARDS Walter Payton Award (2023) Football Championship Subdivision Athletics Directors Associatio..."**********************************Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
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Not like having an OC minded HC maybe.
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Is a true WR1 necessary?
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Definately.
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With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
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I blame it on depo - the Browns tend to draft players, at least before last draft, that look good on paper,
but don't pan out because they don't have the love for the game, the character to stay on the field, and don't have the desire to win, to be the best they can be.
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If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
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Nope. We already have a top 3 defense in the NFL. A DC oriented HC would be a waste of opportunity to dramatically improve the team.
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Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
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No, but we have to define "Franchise QB"
"A "franchise QB" refers to a quarterback in American football who is considered the best player on their team and is essential for the team's long-term success. This term highlights the player's ability to lead the team and be a cornerstone for future development."
and
"A franchise quarterback is more than just a thrower—they're a leader, tactician, athlete, and cultural cornerstone. In a league that revolves around the position, getting this piece right can define a team's fortunes for a decade or more."
Meaning, it's possible to find that qb out of the top of the first round.
Somewhere between where Fernandez will be drafted, and where Brock Purdy was drafted, teams have to find their guy. Like where Tom Brady was drafted?
I'm serious about this guy. He has the skills and experience to grow into a franchise qb, I think.
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South Dakota State University Athletics
Mark Gronowski (11) Quarterback - PRONUNCIATION HONORS AND AWARDS Walter Payton Award (2023) Football Championship Subdivision Athletics Directors Associatio..."**********************************Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
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Not like having an OC minded HC maybe.
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Is a true WR1 necessary?
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Definately.
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With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
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I blame it on depo - the Browns tend to draft players, at least before last draft, that look good on paper,
but don't pan out because they don't have the love for the game, the character to stay on the field, and don't have the desire to win, to be the best they can be.
This reminds me, are we still good for our bet on draft position and player development?
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If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
Is a true WR1 necessary?
With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
If everyone set their emotions aside:
Does hiring a HC with a background as a DC take pressure off of nailing any of the multiple needs on offense?
Does the QB search shift from Franchise QB to solid game manager?
Does that allow some flexibility in building an OL?
Is a true WR1 necessary?
With an HC whose background is offense, going 3-3 on QB, LT and WR1 is nearly a must. And the Haslam Browns have proven that they have failed in finding long-term success at any of those positions.
Mike Vrabel had a nice draft - although he was just a Consultant with the Browns last year after a previous HC job with the Titans (after a career with Pitt & NE in their front 7s). They drafted a LT at #4 Will Campbell that Myles took to school but he showed promise as a rookie while NE's 2nd year QB led their team to the playoffs.
It CAN happen IMO.
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Defensive-Minded vs Offensive-Minded Head Coach
Good question. My angle is, will a defensive minded coach be less 'crazy' with 4th down calls? I don't like all of the 'go for it on 4th down' that's the rave of the league. It can be too much of a mood changer if you fail. And a game changer if it's on your end of the field.
I think that offense, especially passing, has to be prioritized in today's NFL. The saying that Defense Wins Championships is only true if your offense is good enough to get you into the playoffs. As long as the defensive minded HC understands that his offense has absolutely got to be able to move the chains and score the points...I'd be good with him. - I used to only want offensive minded HC's...but now I think that they can get Too offensive minded.
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This reminds me, are we still good for our bet on draft position and player development?
we were never good. You brought up player development, I simply said I thought Mark Gronowski would
get drafted before Sanders was. You are too busy talking down about "white" qbs.
I posted articles explaining how he was getting serious attention in NFL circles already. After the combine,
things will change.
And I don't need to win a bet just to collect a root beer with poison in it, so.....
https://www.si.com/college/iowa/football/iowa-hawkeyes-mark-gronowski-staggering-nfl-draft-outlook
"It may sound jarring for a signal-caller who has yet to play on the FBS level to somehow earn a positive draft outlook, but Jacob Infante of Pro Football Network has listed Gronowski among several sleeper quarterbacks for the 2026 draft class.
"Aside from his 49-6 record as a starter, Gronowski brings a lot to the table," Infante wrote. "He’s tough in the pocket and possesses ideal arm strength. He has a dense frame at 6-foot-2 and 225 pounds and can run well in space, too. The FCS leader in passing efficiency at 179.67 in 2023, Gronowski won the Walter Payton Award as the best offensive player at the FCS level that year. He has also scored over 30 touchdowns from scrimmage in each of his last three seasons, showing off tremendous dual-threat ability." "
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This reminds me, are we still good for our bet on draft position and player development?
we were never good. You brought up player development, I simply said I thought Mark Gronowski would
get drafted before Sanders was. You are too busy talking down about "white" qbs.
I posted articles explaining how he was getting serious attention in NFL circles already. After the combine,
things will change.
And I don't need to win a bet just to collect a root beer with poison in it, so.....
https://www.si.com/college/iowa/football/iowa-hawkeyes-mark-gronowski-staggering-nfl-draft-outlook
"It may sound jarring for a signal-caller who has yet to play on the FBS level to somehow earn a positive draft outlook, but Jacob Infante of Pro Football Network has listed Gronowski among several sleeper quarterbacks for the 2026 draft class.
"Aside from his 49-6 record as a starter, Gronowski brings a lot to the table," Infante wrote. "He’s tough in the pocket and possesses ideal arm strength. He has a dense frame at 6-foot-2 and 225 pounds and can run well in space, too. The FCS leader in passing efficiency at 179.67 in 2023, Gronowski won the Walter Payton Award as the best offensive player at the FCS level that year. He has also scored over 30 touchdowns from scrimmage in each of his last three seasons, showing off tremendous dual-threat ability." "
we were never good. You brought up player development, I simply said I thought Mark Gronowski would
get drafted before Sanders was. You are too busy talking down about "white" qbs.
I posted articles explaining how he was getting serious attention in NFL circles already. After the combine,
things will change.
And I don't need to win a bet just to collect a root beer with poison in it, so.....
https://www.si.com/college/iowa/football/iowa-hawkeyes-mark-gronowski-staggering-nfl-draft-outlook
"It may sound jarring for a signal-caller who has yet to play on the FBS level to somehow earn a positive draft outlook, but Jacob Infante of Pro Football Network has listed Gronowski among several sleeper quarterbacks for the 2026 draft class.
"Aside from his 49-6 record as a starter, Gronowski brings a lot to the table," Infante wrote. "He’s tough in the pocket and possesses ideal arm strength. He has a dense frame at 6-foot-2 and 225 pounds and can run well in space, too. The FCS leader in passing efficiency at 179.67 in 2023, Gronowski won the Walter Payton Award as the best offensive player at the FCS level that year. He has also scored over 30 touchdowns from scrimmage in each of his last three seasons, showing off tremendous dual-threat ability." "
I mean, you think he'll be
-drafted higher than Shedeur
- a franchise QB
All the pine needle tea is at stake here.
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We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
Yeah, that's in a back corner of all of our minds.
I'm not interested in the Bengals guy. Although he's only been the OC for a couple of years, I haven't thought that the Bengals properly attacked us offensively in a whole bunch of years.
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We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
A culture changer not a yes man, so until jimmy sells the team, were fucked, and OH for who ever was arguing with me in a different thread, Stefanski was told to keep Baker in vs the vikings (even tho Nick Chubb was just killing it) I am sure he was glad to be let go (no longer having to be a coffee fetcher for a fool) which is what you are
edit: it was vapor trail that is the fool
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We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
We need a guy to take over. An alpha dog who doesn’t take crap. Harbaugh or Gruden type
Instead we are going to get stuck with an unproven coordinator guy that will let Jimmy and Berry tell him what to do
Rinse and repeat. SIGH!!!!!?
To answer the question. Offensive guy and keep Schwartz
Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl like a generation ago, and doesn't he still have a lawsuit against the NFL pending?
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Here's what I want:
A head coach who - regardless if he's an offensive/defensive/special teams guy - creates an atmosphere in Berea where his staff and players are held accountable on and off the field. A coach who creates an environment that fosters player development and coach development. A coach that helps turn this team from a punchline to a franchise that the rest of the NFL respects. A coach that does that creates a team that can win every year, not just randomly.
That's what I want. Don't care what side of the ball he comes from.
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I'd lean towards a defensive minded head coach as long as he has a creative OC.
The reason I lean that way is we need to prioritize stopping the run, & running the ball. It's the best way to win our division.
The only years the Browns have made the playoffs, or contended for the playoffs since '99 are when we had a rushing attack and a decent passing game. Couch, Anderson, Mayfield, & Flacco/combo at QB, not exactly an all star team.
It can be done, next year if the offensive line improves. Just my $.02
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I think the best HC's are the ones that can tailor their philosophy/playbook to the type of team/players that they currently have. He would be allowed to have a different 'vision' for what he wants the team to 'become' ... and can work towards that longer term goal...but I don't want someone coming in with some 'round hole' plan and he's going to mash everyone into those holes. - Don Shula comes to mind. A proficient offense with Csonka and with Marino.
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it doesn't matter - def HC can have an oustanding OC, and vice versa.
what is important is a HC that is tough enough to instill discipline and teamwork
into the pro game. Going along with dei, going along with prima donna players, refusing to
go along with some players committing violent cheap shots (Like the hit on the Rams receiver by
a panther cheap shot db)...
and
Nov 25, 202549ers wide receiver Jauan Jennings responded to a "cheap shot" from Tre'von Moehrig by throwing an open-handed right cross to the Panthers safety's face mask after the final whistle Monday night.Feb 8, 2024the Panthers, known for their aggressive play, seized the opportunity to take a cheap shot on Alex Ovechkin.************************************************Just once, I wish the Browns could hire an excellent HC, a true leader, a true team builder. But Berry needs to TRY to listen to the HC on drafting and signing free agents, etc. -
it doesn't matter - def HC can have an oustanding OC, and vice versa.
what is important is a HC that is tough enough to instill discipline and teamwork
into the pro game. Going along with dei, going along with prima donna players, refusing to
go along with some players committing violent cheap shots (Like the hit on the Rams receiver by
a panther cheap shot db)...
and
Nov 25, 202549ers wide receiver Jauan Jennings responded to a "cheap shot" from Tre'von Moehrig by throwing an open-handed right cross to the Panthers safety's face mask after the final whistle Monday night.Feb 8, 2024the Panthers, known for their aggressive play, seized the opportunity to take a cheap shot on Alex Ovechkin.************************************************Just once, I wish the Browns could hire an excellent HC, a true leader, a true team builder. But Berry needs to TRY to listen to the HC on drafting and signing free agents, etc.Feb 8, 2024the Panthers, known for their aggressive play, seized the opportunity to take a cheap shot on Alex Ovechkin.************************************************I don't know why I'm even a little bit surprised, but only cal would post a link to a NHL hockey incident thinking it is about the NFL Carolina Panthers.
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Feb 8, 2024the Panthers, known for their aggressive play, seized the opportunity to take a cheap shot on Alex Ovechkin.************************************************
I don't know why I'm even a little bit surprised, but only cal would post a link to a NHL hockey incident thinking it is about the NFL Carolina Panthers.
I don't know why I'm even a little bit surprised, but only cal would post a link to a NHL hockey incident thinking it is about the NFL Carolina Panthers.
I suspect they are charged up by white pine needle tea. In that case, good link.??
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I don't know why I'm even a little bit surprised, but only cal would post a link to a NHL hockey incident thinking it is about the NFL Carolina Panthers.
I suspect they are charged up by white pine needle tea. In that case, good link.??
I suspect they are charged up by white pine needle tea. In that case, good link.??
er....I grabbed a wrong example. ....Tia made me do it.....
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