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Schwartz Resigning As D Coordinator

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  • OrionO Orion

    Glad it's finally announced.  Now we can move forward.  He and his defense did a great job while he was here.  

    I wonder what it means for Schwartz though.  He's under contract for 2 years I think.  Does it mean and can't work elsewhere?  Does he have to be 'let out' of his contract?  (I'm assuming....or traded)

    @orion said:

    I wonder what it means for Schwartz though.  He's under contract for 2 years I think.  Does it mean and can't work elsewhere?  Does he have to be 'let out' of his contract?  (I'm assuming....or traded)

    The way I understand it is his rights are retained by Cleveland the next 2 years. I believe he can take another job, but he has to be titled as something more than just D coordinator. He would have to be hired as a "Assistant HC/DC" or something that signifies a promotion.

  • GatorG Gator

    @orion said:

    I wonder what it means for Schwartz though.  He's under contract for 2 years I think.  Does it mean and can't work elsewhere?  Does he have to be 'let out' of his contract?  (I'm assuming....or traded)

    The way I understand it is his rights are retained by Cleveland the next 2 years. I believe he can take another job, but he has to be titled as something more than just D coordinator. He would have to be hired as a "Assistant HC/DC" or something that signifies a promotion.

    @gator said:

    The way I understand it is his rights are retained by Cleveland the next 2 years. I believe he can take another job, but he has to be titled as something more than just D coordinator. He would have to be hired as a "Assistant HC/DC" or something that signifies a promotion.

    I believe he was already assistant HC here, so a team will have to trade for him or wait till his contract expires.

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    @gator said:

    The way I understand it is his rights are retained by Cleveland the next 2 years. I believe he can take another job, but he has to be titled as something more than just D coordinator. He would have to be hired as a "Assistant HC/DC" or something that signifies a promotion.

    I believe he was already assistant HC here, so a team will have to trade for him or wait till his contract expires.

    @mddawg said:

    I believe he was already assistant HC here

    I thought we had to give ventrone that title to get him ?

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  • So long Jim. Watching your defense was the funnest part of Browns games the last few years. Best of luck on your future endeavors.

  • I thought he only has 1 year remaining.  Might be something to look in to.

    Once we settle in on a coordinator, I think it will be an internal hire, we should just release Schwartz from his contract. Especially if it is 2 years.  No sense in dicking the guy.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I thought he only has 1 year remaining.  Might be something to look in to.

    Once we settle in on a coordinator, I think it will be an internal hire, we should just release Schwartz from his contract. Especially if it is 2 years.  No sense in dicking the guy.

    @ballpeen said:

    I thought he only has 1 year remaining.  Might be something to look in to.

    Once we settle in on a coordinator, I think it will be an internal hire, we should just release Schwartz from his contract. Especially if it is 2 years.  No sense in dicking the guy.

    yeppers club option for 2nd year

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I thought he only has 1 year remaining.  Might be something to look in to.

    Once we settle in on a coordinator, I think it will be an internal hire, we should just release Schwartz from his contract. Especially if it is 2 years.  No sense in dicking the guy.

    @ballpeen said:

    we should just release Schwartz from his contract. Especially if it is 2 years.  No sense in dicking the guy.

    I agree...except that they might want to get a draft pick for him.

    BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE
    • Former Patriots HC Jerod Mayo

    A out of left field candidate is Mayo. Cleveland interviewed Mayo for their defensive coordinator position, which ultimately went to Schwartz. Prior to his one failed season as New England’s head coach, Mayo was seen as an up-and-coming coach in the NFL and could look at the Browns defense as a way to return to that level of reputation as a coach. Mayo’s system has some flexibility to it, similar to how Monken sees offense, but he does not have history under Schwartz.

    The talent on Cleveland’s roster should draw a lot of coaches with interest in taking over for Schwarz. Monken’s (probably intelligent) insistence on keeping the same system might limit the pool of candidates the Browns interview for the job, but the team should have plenty of options.

  • Schwartz is under contract for 2026.  What that would all really mean for what he could or could not do in 2026 would come down to those type of details in his contract.  

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  • M MDDawg

    @gator said:

    The way I understand it is his rights are retained by Cleveland the next 2 years. I believe he can take another job, but he has to be titled as something more than just D coordinator. He would have to be hired as a "Assistant HC/DC" or something that signifies a promotion.

    I believe he was already assistant HC here, so a team will have to trade for him or wait till his contract expires.

    @mddawg said:

    I believe he was already assistant HC here, so a team will have to trade for him or wait till his contract expires.

    No, Bubba was the Assistant HC believe it or not.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • FlugelF Flugel

    @mddawg said:

    I believe he was already assistant HC here, so a team will have to trade for him or wait till his contract expires.

    No, Bubba was the Assistant HC believe it or not.

    @flugel said:

    No, Bubba was the Assistant HC.

    You would be correct sir.  Ventron while in CLE from 2023 through year held the titles Assistant Head Coach and Special Teams Coordinator.  They had to do that in order to hire him away from IND when he was under contract as Special Teams Coordinator.   He is now just Special teams Coordinator for the Rams

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    @mddawg said:

    I believe he was already assistant HC here

    I thought we had to give ventrone that title to get him ?

    @syd said:

    I thought we had to give ventrone that title to get him ?

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @syd said:

    I thought we had to give ventrone that title to get him ?

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    @flugel said:

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    I remember when they hired him thinking he was a dark horse candidate to become the Browns head coach after Stefanski.

    Instead he stunk and I was happy he’s gone

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  • Buh bye Jimbo Jangles!

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  • FlugelF Flugel

    @syd said:

    I thought we had to give ventrone that title to get him ?

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    @flugel said:

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    I agree, but we also overrated the numerous undrafted rookies who played on the units.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @flugel said:

    That is correct Syd! Man, did they over-value Bubba!    

    I agree, but we also overrated the numerous undrafted rookies who played on the units.

    @ballpeen said:

    I agree, but we also overrated the numerous undrafted rookies who played on the units.

    Thank you - no doubt about it!

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  •           I'm just not hopeful that Monken will be a good hc.

    With Schwartz bolting, I think it has to with monken. We'll see, but....he lost Schwartz's respect, and players' respect over at the ratbirds nest.

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    In 2025, Baltimore Ravens players expressed significant frustration with offensive coordinator Todd Monken, citing
    confusing, inconsistent play-calling and a disconnect in communication. Sources indicated players felt game plans were abandoned mid-game, and some deemed the offense too predictable. Despite previous success, these issues led to a regression in 2025. 
    • Communication Issues: Sources described Monken as increasingly "standoffish" and difficult to collaborate with, leading to a disconnect between him and the players.
    • Play-Calling Discontent: Players were confused by erratic, "unpredictable" play calls that often abandoned effective game plans or failed to utilize key players (such as underutilizing or misusing running backs).
    • Regression & Accountability: Following a disappointing start to the 2025 season, Monken publicly took blame for not coaching QB Lamar Jackson well enough and failing to maintain a strong relationship.
    • Predictability & Inconsistency: Critics, including former Raven Steve Smith Sr., highlighted that the offense lacked creativity and struggled with consistency.
    • Systemic Disconnect: Reports suggested that the rapport between players and Monken was not as strong as it was with defensive coordinator Zach Orr. 
    This tension followed a 2024 season where the offense saw success, but ultimately led to major questions about the offense's direction in 2025. "

  • Jobs of HC and coordinator are very different, so Schwartz quitting suggests he isn't cut out for the big chair anyway.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • U Unsympathetic

    Jobs of HC and coordinator are very different, so Schwartz quitting suggests he isn't cut out for the big chair anyway.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Jobs of HC and coordinator are very different, so Schwartz quitting suggests he isn't cut out for the big chair anyway.

    I don’t agree here.  If anything his prior HC experience may guide him when the next opportunity comes into play.  It goes both ways though some guys hit their ceiling and aren’t able to flourish in roles above the role they have done well in….countless examples like Norv Turner. 
     

    This is Not just an outsider that is taking over here.  We have a First time HC outsider and out of left field too.  That alone should be enough for Schwartz not to stick around.  And We don’t truly know if they align or respect each other professionally either…and that’s another aspect of this. 

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