Training Camp - starts July 29th

nickers

@orion said:
Well, Thrash was cut last year and eventually signed back....but now a different coaching regime has cut him.

They had to replace Zak Zinter

Orion

@nickers said:
They had to replace Zak Zinter

Zinter is still on the team...he hasn't been waived or IR'd or anything

syd

@orion said:
Well, Thrash was cut last year and eventually signed back....but now a different coaching regime has cut him.

tillman next ? I mean we used our 2nd and 3rd picks on wr's

syd

speaking of wr's being cut seems a udfa from some small ass collage Floriea will make the team again this year, who was that that talked shit about small collage guys that go undrafted ? I forgot who , must not be that important of a poster

nickers

@orion said:
Zinter is still on the team...he hasn't been waived or IR'd or anything

Well he's hurt and he sucks.. May as well..

Orion

@syd said:
seems a udfa from some small ass collage Floriea will make the team again this year

I don't think so. He's another midget. Just sayin'. Maybe he gets on the PS. But as you said earlier, Tillman is a guy that should be concerned. After all, Denzel Boston is the Tillman that Tillman hasn't been.

Flugel

@nickers said:
I'm sorry he got hurt but... He fucking blows!

@syd said:
3rd round pick i believe and he had a broken leg vs TOSU on the last game of the year, didnt hall break it

Not that I want to be the next Conrad Dobler here; but what happened to the Felix and Oscar vibe from you 2 guys?

Flugel

@syd said:
speaking of wr's being cut seems a udfa from some small ass collage Floriea will make the team again this year, who was that that talked shit about small collage guys that go undrafted ? I forgot who , must not be that important of a poster

The last Special Teams return man the Browns signed as a UDFA from Kent State was... Josh Cribbs. Having said that, just a gut feeling here that Luke Floriea can be a better Receiver in the pass game than Cribbs was. I feel bad saying I don't think Gage Larvadain quite has it - because the guy had enough heart to make the team last year. Then of course the NYJ reminded what a disaster our STs could be...

nickers

@flugel said:
Not that I want to be the next Conrad Dobler here; but what happened to the Felix and Oscar vibe from you 2 guys?
>
Hey we get along once in awhile... I don't hate the guy .."sheesh"

Flugel

@nickers said:
Hey we get along once in awhile... I don't hate the guy .."sheesh"

? All true Nicks, not meant to be a bad thing - which is why I had fun with the Felix and Oscar parallel. Those 2 friends with a common bond rarely agreed with each other. The sitcom was hilarious back in the day. I never saw the movie with Walter Mathau and former NFL Official Jack Lemmon as the main characters.

nickers

@flugel said:
? All true Nicks, not meant to be a bad thing - which is why I had fun with the Felix and Oscar parallel. Those 2 friends with a common bond rarely agreed with each other. The sitcom was hilarious back in the day. I never saw the movie with Walter Mathau and former NFL Official Jack Lemmon as the main characters.

I did... funny movie but Randall and Klugman had amazing chemistry... And they look the part...

TexasAg1969

@flugel said:
I never saw the movie with Walter Mathau and former NFL Official Jack Lemmon as the main characters.

Best lines were when Lemmon corrects Mathau telling him with a condescending laugh, "It's not spaghetti, it's linguini!" Mathau throws it up against the wall saying, "Now it's garbage!" ? Really funny movie.

Orion

Flugel

@orion said:

Thanks! I'm not surpised the guy that took all of the 1st team reps did the best - nor will I be when Shedeur accomplishes the same thing with the 1s - especially once the entire playbook has been implemented. A million miles ago, Watson was a 1st round QB that made Pro Bowls and Playoffs as a starter. The 1 thing that scoreboad comparison doesn't reflect is how many times Watson would have been hit/tackled/injured in the pocket or when he kept/keeps the ball (because the defense usually isn't allowed to hit the QB in training camp). When it all goes live in September, will Watson have shown Monken he's solved a lot of his pocket indecision? Along the same line, will Shedeur have proven he has expedited his processor in the pocket? All that said, I'm glad we have Monken and his offensive background here to handle this challenge.

Here's the hurdle to those important questions Shedeur & Watson need to answer above: - it's conceivable that auditioning 5 open starting spots on the OL undoubtedly will require a term Browns' fans can rarely escape called "patience." It's like the football version of dialing 911 for an emergency and the person that answers the phone says "911 can you hold?"

Orion

@flugel said:
especially once the entire playbook has been implemented

Monken said the other day that the Install is over. I guess now it's all about reps and getting the plays down pat. And I assume they'll be a day in the near future where Sanders will get all of the reps with the ones. I believe that today (Sunday) is a day off.

Dutch Oven

Listening to The Fan right meow, Daryl Ruiter is going on record right now saying that Watson will be the starting QB to start the season.

Flugel

@dutch-oven said:
Listening to The Fan right meow, Daryl Ruiter is going on record right now saying that Watson will be the starting QB to start the season.

That makes sense because if/when Watson fails, Shedeur comes in with a little less pressure than he would have had if he was the opening day starter with a shorter hook. Either way, I think we'ee gonna see both guys this year...

Dutch Oven

@flugel said:
That makes sense because if/when Watson fails, Shedeur comes in with a little less pressure than he would have had if he was the opening day starter with a shorter hook. Either way, I think we'ee gonna see both guys this year...

If Watson is named the starter, and it appears that is going to happen, it's just a matter of when, not if, Sanders takes over.

Once again, it's been like 700 days since Watson has played. We all saw how well he played the first time that happened.
Watson is made of glass at this point.
It's been since 2020 that Watson was a good starting QB.

tiamat63

Something I was keeping a rough count on - motion usage.

I know it was something this board was vocal about in 2024. In 2025, Coach Stefanski climbed clocked a 54% rate. IiRC, that was a 16 point increase.

Coach Monk, in Baltimore, was around 40-ish percent. Which would be league median in 2017.

By my count from camp, I think the number MAY climb just a little, but ends up no higher than 50% looked like around 4-5 of every 10 plays used pre-snap mo.

So, just a forewarning to the board, don't pile on this as the next trend if you hear how the motion numbers are down by week 4.

Orion

@dutch-oven said:
If Watson is named the starter, and it appears that is going to happen, it's just a matter of when, not if, Sanders takes over.

I agree. Since he joined the Browns I've always said that Watson plays dumb. When he runs, he takes on tacklers. Smart QB's don't do that. They hit the ground. When a franchise QB takes off running with the ball they need to understand that they are the most important person in the entire organization. If he gets hurt, the entire season goes into the shitter, for the whole organization. Watson isn't smart enough to know that. It is for that reason that I've been privately hoping that Shedeur is named the starter (though I've never believed that would be the case). Now, we've seen Shedeur play, what I call dumb. But that's because he's trying to become the franchise QB. He's got to put it all on the line.