Final: Steelers (6-2) 27, Browns (5-3) 6 · Week 8
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@Orion said:
Tell that to Judkins. Or anyone else trying to run the ball. Tell them it was the QB that wasn't opening holes for them to run through.
And Watson finished with a QB Rating that was 37 points higher than Rogers'. But Rogers got 200 yards rushing from his gang. - And I don't even Like Watson.
Sure, but the first game, the Browns 4 rb's ran for 112 yards on 27 carries. That is a 4.14 yards per carry vs one of the best rush defending teams in the NFL.
What is the difference? The squealers got pissed at losing, and looked at what twatson was able to do and the weak points, and they went after the run game to make twatson carry the team, which of course, he is to slow to make reads , etc etc etc, no pocket awareness, and he's STUPID. The second game, the defense knew how to stop the Browns offense.
Did I mention that twatson is TOO STUPID to be a terrific qb?
***************************************************************************************- Stout Steelers Run Defense: Pittsburgh entered the game as one of the premier rush-defending teams in the NFL (allowing just around 91 yards per game on the season) and completely choked off running lanes.
- Overwhelming Front-Seven Pressure and Sacks: The Steelers harassed quarterback Deshaun Watson with eight sacks, blowing up the pocket and forcing negative-yardage plays that stalled drives before they could develop.
- Discipline and Gap Control: Linebackers like Patrick Queen and Payton Wilson (along with a disciplined defensive line featuring Cameron Heyward and T.J. Watt) stayed sound in their assignments, shooting gaps and preventing Cleveland's ground game from getting to the second level.
- Early Deficit and Game Script: After falling behind early and failing to sustain drives, the Browns were forced into a pass-heavy approach—managing only two rushing attempts for -3 yards in the entire fourth quarter as the game got out of reach. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
You can read a complete breakdown of the matchup on the Cleveland Browns Game Recap or check out analysis via Yahoo Sports. [1, 2]
@calfoxwc said:
Did I mention that twatson is TOO STUPID
I have said, multiple times, that he plays stupid. But because he takes off running and instead of sliding he puts his head down and takes on tacklers.....and thus gets hurt. I think that QB's that do that are playing stupid. The extra yards they pick up doing that is not worth the risk of the team losing their starting QB and subsequently dropping to the bottom of the division. I'm surprised as hell that he's not on IR yet. And what happened when Watson went into the blue tent and Sanders came in? In 3 plays we got called for Ineligible player downfield, TWICE. Is that a record? Sanders didn't throw the ball. When a screen type play is called the QB has to throw the ball to the receiver or at his feet. One or the other. Because the OLinemen are counting their Mississippi's before they take off up field to block. Let's face it, Watson is the best QB we have on the team (at least according to Monken, and he's no novice).
.....and the Squealers were pissed at Verse...for his trash talking big mouth. And Fano has come out and stated that he's got to play a lot better than what he did. The OLine struggled.
Like Dutch said, nobody here LIKES Watson, but we're not going out of our way to blame him for a loss. Because if you're going to do that, you've gotta be prepared to heap on the praise for a win. -
@calfoxwc said:
Did I mention that twatson is TOO STUPID
I have said, multiple times, that he plays stupid. But because he takes off running and instead of sliding he puts his head down and takes on tacklers.....and thus gets hurt. I think that QB's that do that are playing stupid. The extra yards they pick up doing that is not worth the risk of the team losing their starting QB and subsequently dropping to the bottom of the division. I'm surprised as hell that he's not on IR yet. And what happened when Watson went into the blue tent and Sanders came in? In 3 plays we got called for Ineligible player downfield, TWICE. Is that a record? Sanders didn't throw the ball. When a screen type play is called the QB has to throw the ball to the receiver or at his feet. One or the other. Because the OLinemen are counting their Mississippi's before they take off up field to block. Let's face it, Watson is the best QB we have on the team (at least according to Monken, and he's no novice).
.....and the Squealers were pissed at Verse...for his trash talking big mouth. And Fano has come out and stated that he's got to play a lot better than what he did. The OLine struggled.
Like Dutch said, nobody here LIKES Watson, but we're not going out of our way to blame him for a loss. Because if you're going to do that, you've gotta be prepared to heap on the praise for a win.@Orion said:
I have said, multiple times, that he plays stupid. But because he takes off running and instead of sliding he puts his head down and takes on tacklers.....and thus gets hurt. I think that QB's that do that are playing stupid. The extra yards they pick up doing that is not worth the risk of the team losing their starting QB and subsequently dropping to the bottom of the division. I'm surprised as hell that he's not on IR yet. And what happened when Watson went into the blue tent and Sanders came in? In 3 plays we got called for Ineligible player downfield, TWICE. Is that a record? Sanders didn't throw the ball. When a screen type play is called the QB has to throw the ball to the receiver or at his feet. One or the other. Because the OLinemen are counting their Mississippi's before they take off up field to block. Let's face it, Watson is the best QB we have on the team (at least according to Monken, and he's no novice).
.....and the Squealers were pissed at Verse...for his trash talking big mouth. And Fano has come out and stated that he's got to play a lot better than what he did. The OLine struggled.
Like Dutch said, nobody here LIKES Watson, but we're not going out of our way to blame him for a loss. Because if you're going to do that, you've gotta be prepared to heap on the praise for a win.
I don't like Sanders either. It doesn't matter "who the best qb is" when you have all this talent, a new oliine, but the qb is STUPID and has always held onto the ball
too long, slow to make reads, etc etc etc. Yes, the oline struggled, and sure, Yes, the squealers were pissed at Verse, but they thrive on that kind of crap, when they already LOST to the Browns in Cleveland, and they made adjustments to stop the run and put all the pressure on the STUPID qb. As soon as most folks read Verse's comments, that was a very bad sign. May as well be calling Jack Lambert a girlieman in the media. lol
Fano is a ROOKIE. As a ROOKIE, he is playing terrific, just not perfect. twatson had plenty of time to run a play. We now have the wr's. and the tight ends. I did not say twatson should be benched. I'm saying that it is amazing that the Browns have won some games with twatson as qb. He's athletic, except for his brain.
You aren't blaming twatson for a loss, fine. I'm just saying against the steelers' vaunted run defense, one of the very best in the league; the squealers shut down the run
and put all the pressure on the passing game, and they teed off on the pass rush. Try that with a Kosar, Peyton Manning, etc etc etc - you'll pay.
Twatson, like I posted, has ALWAYS taken too long to read the field.
But refusing to blame watson for the loss is fine, but it was different when Baker was here, .... certain members put all the blame on HIM all the time. Fancy that. Wonder why.
I want a smart qb - we were all spoiled with Kosar, Sipe, etc..
Summing it up, the squealers KNEW what they had to change after the first game. I figure other teams will also do the same thing, with the same stupid qb of the Browns.
But it won't be the Saints - they are 23rd vs the pass, 29th against the rush. The Browns need that win. -
My goodness, our boy cal seems so agitated… so on edge…
I wonder what crawled up his vagina?
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@tiamat63 said:
@calfoxwc
No, the Oline had its failures
This is highly dependent on the type of pass rusher he is facing.
sure, but also highly dependent on the qb being STUPID, too. He's a rookie. He's going to make mistakes here and there.
The oline also was affected by the STUPID QB. It's hardly the oliine's fault that twatson got sacked all
eight times. The defense knew to stop the run to put more pressure on the stupid qb.
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AI Overview
Deshaun Watson was sacked eight times in the Cleveland Browns' Week 8 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers due to a combination of heavy defensive pressure, holding onto the football too long, and a struggling run game. [1, 2, 3]
Key factors from the 27-6 loss include:- Holding the Ball Too Long: Watson frequently waited for deep or secondary reads instead of getting the ball out quickly or throwing it to checkdowns under duress. He admitted postgame that he needed to "find my checkdowns" and "not try to be a hero".
- Steelers' Defensive Pressure: The Steelers—led by dominant performances from defenders like T.J. Watt and Cameron Heyward—consistently collapsed the pocket without needing to heavy-blitz on every play, shifting away from soft coverages to force quick errors.
- Ineffective Run Game & Long Third Downs: Cleveland managed only 34 rushing yards (netting a dismal ground attack compared to previous weeks), which forced Watson into difficult third-and-long passing situations that allowed Pittsburgh's pass rush to tee off.
- Offensive Line & Scheme Struggles: The Browns suffered from poor right-side tackle play and extended play designs (including deep dropbacks) that failed to account for Pittsburgh's aggressive front line. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
@calfoxwc said:
sure, but also highly dependent on the qb being STUPID, too.
TF are you babbling about here? There are pass rush profiles that Fano handles well, others he struggles with. This was my concern with his wingspan and anchor ability coming into the NFL. That has nothing to do with Watson.He's a rookie. He's going to make mistakes here and there.
Agreed, but irrelavent to the point I've made.It's hardly the oliine's fault that twatson got sacked all
Not even remotely accurate.
edit: Before you get all copy and paste happy with AI - Watson did NOT play well. It's that simple. The OL got their asses whipped too. Both things can be and are true.
The only people who can't understand that have an IQ that's the same as the room temp they're in. -
We got beat by 21 points by a team who's QB rating was 57.4 while our QB's rating was 94.4. And our QB is the one being bashed. Not the D. Not the OL. Not the RB's. Nope. We bash the QB, because we're prejudice against him.
Being a Browns fan is a test to see how much you can take. -
We got beat by 21 points by a team who's QB rating was 57.4 while our QB's rating was 94.4. And our QB is the one being bashed. Not the D. Not the OL. Not the RB's. Nope. We bash the QB, because we're prejudice against him.
@Orion we need a new starting QB next season, but if we start him behind this OL he is going on IR or his local graveyard. And if we want to win, we need to improve the other areas you mentioned too.
I think Berry and Co know this. Watson is our sacrificial QB this season. Don't feel bad for him, but it makes no sense to bash him either. He is literally one of the better players on the team this season, and responsible for the comeback wins we've had. -
Hell I was looking forward to this trip to Oahu while you guys took care of the Browns win over the Pukes. You failed!
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We got beat by 21 points by a team who's QB rating was 57.4 while our QB's rating was 94.4. And our QB is the one being bashed. Not the D. Not the OL. Not the RB's. Nope. We bash the QB, because we're prejudice against him.
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We got beat by 21 points by a team who's QB rating was 57.4 while our QB's rating was 94.4. And our QB is the one being bashed. Not the D. Not the OL. Not the RB's. Nope. We bash the QB, because we're prejudice against him.
@Orion It’s fucking cal.
He’s a 75 year old toddler with paper thin skin. Every single game the Browns lose he will come on here and post word salad nonsense with OUR QB IS STUPID and I wish we had fill-in-the-blank white QB instead. Then he’ll mention how poor Baker was treated by people on this board FIVE years ago, and he’ll burst into tears over other grievances he has because he has ovaries. -
@Orion we need a new starting QB next season, but if we start him behind this OL he is going on IR or his local graveyard. And if we want to win, we need to improve the other areas you mentioned too.
I think Berry and Co know this. Watson is our sacrificial QB this season. Don't feel bad for him, but it makes no sense to bash him either. He is literally one of the better players on the team this season, and responsible for the comeback wins we've had.@Korsou-Dawg said:
And if we want to win, we need to improve the other areas you mentioned too.
I think Berry and Co know this. Watson is our sacrificial QB this season.
Berry worked out a couple of LB's a week or so ago. He knows we're thin there. And I think he guessed that teams might start to try and run on us with us running so much man to man D. Which is what we kinda' have to do because we sucked at zone D at the start of the season. And although we brought in multiple TE's via the draft and FA, we're playing with only Fannin & Whitehurst. And they're not the greatest at helping the OL block for the run. And although our OL is all new, it's not improved much over last year's pathetic OL..although Fano & Zion aren't doing bad on the left side.
We're going to have to figure out how to stop the run because the Titans & Steelers have shown what to do against us. Our back 7 began biting on anything that looked remotely like a run, allowing the Steelers TE's to wind up with 129 yards. I mean, that's what being able to run can do for your pass offense. -
Speaking of stopping the run, I wonder how healthy Mason Graham is. He’s been pretty invisible since coming back
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