From an 'At the Game' Perspective
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This set of players have showed more promise than the previous set. So keep rolling with them.
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There were two instances where Mangini made very RAC-like conservative calls that may have burned the team.
1) kicking the FG with 4th and inches on the 10 and an opportunity to seal the deal. Go for it. Who gives a shit if you're up by 3 or by 6? Go for the TD. Play to win.
2) punting with 19 seconds left in regulation on the Bengals 40 yd line. Go for it or try the 57 yarder. Again, play to win.
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There were two instances where Mangini made very RAC-like conservative calls that may have burned the team.
1) kicking the FG with 4th and inches on the 10 and an opportunity to seal the deal. Go for it. Who gives a shit if you're up by 3 or by 6? Go for the TD. Play to win.
2) punting with 19 seconds left in regulation on the Bengals 40 yd line. Go for it or try the 57 yarder. Again, play to win.
There were two instances where Mangini made very RAC-like conservative calls that may have burned the team.
1) kicking the FG with 4th and inches on the 10 and an opportunity to seal the deal. Go for it. Who gives a shit if you're up by 3 or by 6? Go for the TD. Play to win.
That was right at the 4th qtr mark ... might be to early to gamble there and the FG was putting the go-ahead points on the board. Besides, our play calling was horrible already in that series.
2) punting with 19 seconds left in regulation on the Bengals 40 yd line. Go for it or try the 57 yarder. Again, play to win.
The used up Time-outs killed us here. Anderson used one after the first play after the half, didn't he have that problem in that department in years past too?
The Defense used one, then gave up the tying TD on the play following the T.O.
We had one taken when we challenged the red zone INT.
If we had a Time-out or two left, we win that game, with the threat of being able to run the ball, screen, etc..
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We were 9 of 38 on third downs with Quinn.
Gosh darnit I keep forgetting - what are the excuses again?
For all the three and outs that amounts to, and the fact we were in a game against a good team, WTF is all this about DA losing the game with the pick? Cincy punted after that int and we marched right down and scored.
Where was all this bitchng when Quinn played like SHIT?
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
We were 9 of 38 on third downs with Quinn.
Gosh darnit I keep forgetting - what are the excuses again?
For all the three and outs that amounts to, and the fact we were in a game against a good team, WTF is all this about DA losing the game with the pick? Cincy punted after that int and we marched right down and scored.
Where was all this bitchng when Quinn played like SHIT?
Where was all this bitchng when Quinn played like SHIT?
Last I checked, it was right here on this board.
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We were 9 of 38 on third downs with Quinn.
Gosh darnit I keep forgetting - what are the excuses again?
For all the three and outs that amounts to, and the fact we were in a game against a good team, WTF is all this about DA losing the game with the pick? Cincy punted after that int and we marched right down and scored.
Where was all this bitchng when Quinn played like SHIT?
We were 9 of 38 on third downs with Quinn.
I think Quinn was actually 6 for 30 and then Anderson was 3 of 8 in the 2nd half at BAL.
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We were 9 of 38 on third downs with Quinn.
I think Quinn was actually 6 for 30 and then Anderson was 3 of 8 in the 2nd half at BAL.
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Masters said:
So 3-8 against BALT and 6-19 against Cincy. Maybe someday we'll see odds on third down as good as betting black at roulette
Don't forget, you can get a first down on downs other than third down, in fact we had 22 First downs yesterday, 14 via passing, 8 rushing, and none by way of penalty.
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Masters said:
So 3-8 against BALT and 6-19 against Cincy. Maybe someday we'll see odds on third down as good as betting black at rouletteDon't forget, you can get a first down on downs other than third down, in fact we had 22 First downs yesterday, 14 via passing, 8 rushing, and none by way of penalty.
Don't forget, you can get a first down on downs other than third down, in fact we had 22 First downs yesterday, 14 via passing, 8 rushing, and none by way of penalty.
Which would 5 more than CLE had against MIN (4 more passing this week). So forgive me if my excitement level isn't what yours is about what I saw yesterday.
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Where was all this bitchng when Quinn played like SHIT?
Last I checked, it was right here on this board.
Masters said:
Last I checked, it was right here on this board.Than why should we have continued to play him? Wasn't he supposed to have been different? A chain mover? Smarter? Able to throw downfield?
Look most of us are pretty smart and honest. Did Brady look like a guy here all hours of the night studying to get better? Did the results tell you this guy has something?
I have no problem giving him another shot - this season even. But what a letdown this kid was. So bad the coach had to pull him.
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Don't forget, you can get a first down on downs other than third down, in fact we had 22 First downs yesterday, 14 via passing, 8 rushing, and none by way of penalty.
Which would 5 more than CLE had against MIN (4 more passing this week). So forgive me if my excitement level isn't what yours is about what I saw yesterday.
Masters said:
Which would 5 more than CLE had against MIN (4 more passing this week). So forgive me if my excitement level isn't what yours is about what I saw yesterday.But that's what we expected from Quinn - move the chains. And how many of those 1st downs came in garbage time at Min? 6-7?
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Masters said:
Last I checked, it was right here on this board.Than why should we have continued to play him? Wasn't he supposed to have been different? A chain mover? Smarter? Able to throw downfield?
Look most of us are pretty smart and honest. Did Brady look like a guy here all hours of the night studying to get better? Did the results tell you this guy has something?
I have no problem giving him another shot - this season even. But what a letdown this kid was. So bad the coach had to pull him.
Than why should we have continued to play him? Wasn't he supposed to have been different? A chain mover? Smarter? Able to throw downfield?
Look most of us are pretty smart and honest. Did Brady look like a guy here all hours of the night studying to get better? Did the results tell you this guy has something?
I have no problem giving him another shot - this season even. But what a letdown this kid was. So bad the coach had to pull him.
Hey, I was just saying there was outrage on here, contrary to what you implied.
Brady certainly didn't deliver in the first 3 games, no question. Though it would have been nice to see him get a chance with an actual WR at the #2 like we had this week (no, I am not saying that is why Quinn struggled).
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Masters said:
Which would 5 more than CLE had against MIN (4 more passing this week). So forgive me if my excitement level isn't what yours is about what I saw yesterday.But that's what we expected from Quinn - move the chains. And how many of those 1st downs came in garbage time at Min? 6-7?
But that's what we expected from Quinn - move the chains. And how many of those 1st downs came in garbage time at Min? 6-7?
Only a hand full and MIN was not playing their backups, they simply went into more of a prevent D.
Look, I am not saying Quinn played better, would have done equal or better this past week, or anything like that. But lets not make this weeks game more than it really was.
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Anderson really struggled after the FG that put them up 17-14. He blew the Cribbs return field position and was ineffective in the overtime throwing behind people again.
I mean, Anderson was ok, for what it was, but I expect my backup to be able to do that. I want my starter to be able to do more.
I think it is time for the Andersonites and Quinnbots to both admit the each side is right about both QB's and move on to the future starter of the Cleveland Browns. He is not on this team at this time.
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Than why should we have continued to play him? Wasn't he supposed to have been different? A chain mover? Smarter? Able to throw downfield?
Look most of us are pretty smart and honest. Did Brady look like a guy here all hours of the night studying to get better? Did the results tell you this guy has something?
I have no problem giving him another shot - this season even. But what a letdown this kid was. So bad the coach had to pull him.
Hey, I was just saying there was outrage on here, contrary to what you implied.
Brady certainly didn't deliver in the first 3 games, no question. Though it would have been nice to see him get a chance with an actual WR at the #2 like we had this week (no, I am not saying that is why Quinn struggled).
Masters said:
Hey, I was just saying there was outrage on here, contrary to what you implied.Brady certainly didn't deliver in the first 3 games, no question. Though it would have been nice to see him get a chance with an actual WR at the #2 like we had this week (no, I am not saying that is why Quinn struggled).
Same could actually be said in defense of Cribbs WR debut ... if he only had a QB that didn't only throw to the leftside almost the entire first game, then short dump-offs there after.
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Masters said:
Hey, I was just saying there was outrage on here, contrary to what you implied.Brady certainly didn't deliver in the first 3 games, no question. Though it would have been nice to see him get a chance with an actual WR at the #2 like we had this week (no, I am not saying that is why Quinn struggled).
Same could actually be said in defense of Cribbs WR debut ... if he only had a QB that didn't only throw to the leftside almost the entire first game, then short dump-offs there after.
Same could actually be said in defense of Cribbs WR debut ... if he only had a QB that didn't only throw to the leftside almost the entire first game, then short dump-offs there after.
Except that they decided to remove Cribbs from WR and barely used him at WR this past week. I am pretty sure game film showed what the TV view showed, which was Cribbs can get zero seperation as a WR.
Oh, and your only throw to the left side of the field for the first game is inaccurate if you go by charting of where throws went.
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But that's what we expected from Quinn - move the chains. And how many of those 1st downs came in garbage time at Min? 6-7?
Only a hand full and MIN was not playing their backups, they simply went into more of a prevent D.
Look, I am not saying Quinn played better, would have done equal or better this past week, or anything like that. But lets not make this weeks game more than it really was.
Masters said:
Only a hand full and MIN was not playing their backups, they simply went into more of a prevent D.Vs MIN the Browns had 5 first downs after Adrian Peterson scored to make it 34-13 with 6 mins left. All 5 were through the air.
Prior to that the O had put up only 5 other 1st downs through the air.
For comparison, there were 14 1st downs through the air yesterday.
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Masters said:
Only a hand full and MIN was not playing their backups, they simply went into more of a prevent D.Vs MIN the Browns had 5 first downs after Adrian Peterson scored to make it 34-13 with 6 mins left. All 5 were through the air.
Prior to that the O had put up only 5 other 1st downs through the air.
For comparison, there were 14 1st downs through the air yesterday.
Vs MIN the Browns had 5 first downs after Adrian Peterson scored to make it 34-13 with 6 mins left. All 5 were through the air.
Prior to that the O had put up only 5 other 1st downs through the air.
For comparison, there were 14 1st downs through the air yesterday.
Thank you for restaitng what I have already said
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@shepwrite said:
Lum, if you're looking for me to say Anderson wasn't better yesterday than Quinn was against Minnesota... you're gonna be waiting a while.Here's what I'm waiting for:
An NFL coach that actually gives half a shit what a QBs "Passer Rating" is.
And another "Jimmy Clausen 4 Heisman; Weis says he's da man!" thread from you.
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@shepwrite said:
Veg, Quinn was bad. I feel like you're really proud of yourself for deciding the sky is up.Wait, what? Well I guess we can add your name to the list of people needing to douche the sand out over Quinn. This is what happens when people don't understand the NFL and start talking 8-8, 9-7.
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