Ndamukong Suh

Solon16

Sorry guys but No DL in the first round our in any next year.....that is the position on this team we have too much depth at! LB's, safeties, Rb's Rt's Rg's YES YES Yes after the QB!

RestinPeace

@solon16 said:
Sorry guys but No DL in the first round our in any next year.....that is the position on this team we have too much depth at! LB's, safeties, Rb's Rt's Rg's YES YES Yes after the QB!

LOL. We don't. Coleman and Smith are 2 down lineman. Mosley(hey, I remember his name!!) and Williams(vastly overpaid Williams) are 3rd down lineman.

Listen, we need a fulltime starter at least at one of the DE spots. While it may not happen, it is a need and if somebody like McCoy would drop to the 7-8 spots in the draft(I doubt Sah does), you would be nuts to pass on him.

cambridgeho

If we dont draft DL in the 1st round, i hope its because we got J. Peppers or Aaron Kampman via free agency. I know they are both 29, but i think they could still be badass for the next 4 years.

BernietheKid

@restinpeace said:
A top 1-5 pick like Suh or McCoy will satisfy the Browns greatly. A QB would as well. The draft is way to far away to make any determination. Things will change.
Though, I would take McCoy right now because Coleman/(forgot his name from the jets) sorta have the "Suh" role down. McCoy could replace Smith and give the weakside a strong boost of athleticism we badly need. McCoy also plays better in space than Suh.

Here's a scouting report on McCoy:

Gerald McCoy, 6-4/295 Defensive Tackle Oklahoma

Gerald McCoy Scouting Report

By Matt McGuire

Strengths:

Impressive size

Cut athlete with good muscle definition

Elite-level athleticism

Explosive off snap

Impressive instincts

Shows ability to disengage quickly

Great lateral agility

Grades out highly with chase tackles

Good vision; finds ballcarrier

Strong; active hands

Penetrates well; knows how to get under a lineman

Displays good pad level

Nice speed; plays fast

Wide pass rush repertoire

Shows good balance and coordination; flexible athlete

Quick hips

Adequate upper body strength

Very good motor and stamina

Durable

Great intangibles and work ethic

Prototype three-technique

Weaknesses:

Lacks some bulk to be a two-gap defensive tackle

Not a fit for every scheme

Not an elite run defender

Struggles against massive offensive linemen against run

Not overly powerful

Summary: McCoy is an amazing prospect and simply great at what he is - a three technique. He isn't going to be Vince Wilfork, and 3-4 teams won't target him. He will fit most 4-3 schemes looking for an elite pass rusher and someone who can disrupt opponents' backfields. He has elite intangibles and should be a definite top-10 pick. McCoy is my No. 1 defensive tackle for the 2010 NFL Draft.

Player Comparison: Kevin Williams. Williams is one of the elite defensive tackles in the NFL with his athleticism, instincts and pass-rush ability.

Drunkandstoopid

I'd go with Suh if he's available. He's special, been that way since forever, not a flash in the pan surrounded by a good team or system (which can happen with QBs). He will be a stud in the NFL. If he could have qualified for the NFL draft out of highschool, he'd have gone somewhere.

I know a lot of you guys are wishing for the "franchise" QB, but a disruptive/dominant lineman can have a big effect on a game even if there aren't stats to show it. If Suh or another of his caliber are available...go for it. A strong D and O line can go a long long way towards success, once you've got that you can do pretty good with any decent QB, then focus on finding THE guy.

hammertime

I'd like to see how these guys finish the season, theres alot of football left.

Your better players will maintain their dominance the whole season.

Lumbergh

@hammertime said:
I'd like to see how these guys finish the season, theres alot of football left.
Your better players will maintain their dominance the whole season.

and also I don't think the Browns will pick in the top 5.

Alo

@lumbergh said:
He's from Portland Oregon. I always wondered why he went clear the hell out to Nebraska.

Here's something of an explanation:

By the end of his junior year, Suh was getting scholarship offers from several Division I schools, including Oregon and Oregon State. After attending the Stanford Combine the summer before his senior year, he had offers from the entire Pacific-10 Conference, as well as Miami, Mississippi State and Nebraska.

One of the primary reasons he chose Nebraska was because of its highly regarded engineering program and the focus the athletic department has on academics for its student-athletes. In December, Suh will graduate with a bachelor's degree in construction management, completing the five-year program in four and a half.

Should football not work out, Suh could easily fall back on a number of career options, including taking over his father's equipment business in Portland.

via here.

The Gipper

@alo said:
Here's something of an explanation:
via here.

I want this dude on the Browns!!

CLEVELandMILIDH

Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?

The Gipper

nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?

Eric Berry, Tennessee and Taylor Mays of USC are top DBs, but they may be safeties.

Alo

nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?

Some possibilities:

Joe Haden, Florida (5'11", 190 lbs.)*
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest (6'0", 190 lbs.)
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State (6'0", 198 lbs.)
Kareem Jackson, Alabama (5'11", 192 lbs.)*
Donovan Warren, Michigan (6'0", 185 lbs.)*
Jerome Murphy, South Florida (6'1", 185 lbs.)
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA) (6'1", 195 lbs.)
Patrick Robinson, Florida State (5'11", 194 lbs.)

Those are loose rankings, based on play this season. But cornerback is the position where 40 times matter most, so it's hard to project where these guys will be drafted in April.

Also, there are smaller corners who will get drafted high: guys like Kentucky's Trevard Lindley (5'11", 180 lbs.) and Cal's Syd'Quan Thompson (5'9", 191 lbs.). Not sure either one's a good fit for what we need: though Lindley does have borderline shutdown corner potential, he isn't a consistent tackler.

* denotes underclassman

DestinFunk

Good stuff in this thread guys..it sucks that we are so into the draft in sept/october and soo much will change in the next month or two...but one thing will not sway me...and i know we need a QB but Suh is the one..we gotta make that happen

i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...

ALO..you think they draft QB in round 2? if so who do you project still hanging around

Alo

Pike and McCoy could be the top two guys available in Round 2. Not particularly fond of either, though I like Pike better.

By the way, can I get my normal privileges back? Pretty sure I lost PM's from Heck and Riff because someone decided to restrict my account.

D'Qwimbley

nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?

Didn't you watch that video? Suh leads Nebraska in passes broken up. Put him at corner, theres your big hitter.

D'Qwimbley

With Mays and Berry so good at the top (although I could argue against Mays, he'll be there), some good DBs will drop. A guy like Kurt Coleman, who has been the best player on Ohio State's defense this year, even if he's overshadowed by Gibson, Heyward, and Rolle.

Buck The Frowns

Well, if he doesn't make it you can use his jersey as an eyechart in the trainer's room.

Alo

@destinfunk said:
i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...

Gerald McCoy was great last week against Texas: he had two tackles for loss, a sack, and five quarterback hurries. He disappeared against Miami and Baylor, but he's an elite prospect in his own right. Very Warren Sapp-ish.

Suh's a better projection to 3-4 end because of his great combination of strength, tenacity, and athleticism. But if we were looking for an explosive one-gap penetrator, I'd probably take McCoy over Suh.

McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.

ballpeen

McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.

Sounds like we could use both!

DestinFunk

@alo said:
Gerald McCoy was great last week against Texas: he had two tackles for loss, a sack, and five quarterback hurries. He disappeared against Miami and Baylor, but he's an elite prospect in his own right. Very Warren Sapp-ish.
Suh's a better projection to 3-4 end because of his great combination of strength, tenacity, and athleticism. But if we were looking for an explosive one-gap penetrator, I'd probably take McCoy over Suh.

McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.

Yes i watched the Texas game (had to turn it from the buckeye cluster F)

he looked solid...i wouldnt complian..id prefer SUH as you mentioned blowing up the run...id prefer to get a fast athletic quarterback killa on the opposite side of WImbley in addition to SUH...good luck right?