Ndamukong Suh
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Sorry guys but No DL in the first round our in any next year.....that is the position on this team we have too much depth at! LB's, safeties, Rb's Rt's Rg's YES YES Yes after the QB!
Sorry guys but No DL in the first round our in any next year.....that is the position on this team we have too much depth at! LB's, safeties, Rb's Rt's Rg's YES YES Yes after the QB!
LOL. We don't. Coleman and Smith are 2 down lineman. Mosley(hey, I remember his name!!) and Williams(vastly overpaid Williams) are 3rd down lineman.
Listen, we need a fulltime starter at least at one of the DE spots. While it may not happen, it is a need and if somebody like McCoy would drop to the 7-8 spots in the draft(I doubt Sah does), you would be nuts to pass on him.
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If we dont draft DL in the 1st round, i hope its because we got J. Peppers or Aaron Kampman via free agency. I know they are both 29, but i think they could still be badass for the next 4 years.
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A top 1-5 pick like Suh or McCoy will satisfy the Browns greatly. A QB would as well. The draft is way to far away to make any determination. Things will change.
Though, I would take McCoy right now because Coleman/(forgot his name from the jets) sorta have the "Suh" role down. McCoy could replace Smith and give the weakside a strong boost of athleticism we badly need. McCoy also plays better in space than Suh.
A top 1-5 pick like Suh or McCoy will satisfy the Browns greatly. A QB would as well. The draft is way to far away to make any determination. Things will change.
Though, I would take McCoy right now because Coleman/(forgot his name from the jets) sorta have the "Suh" role down. McCoy could replace Smith and give the weakside a strong boost of athleticism we badly need. McCoy also plays better in space than Suh.
Here's a scouting report on McCoy:
Gerald McCoy, 6-4/295 Defensive Tackle Oklahoma
Gerald McCoy Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
Strengths:
Impressive size
Cut athlete with good muscle definition
Elite-level athleticism
Explosive off snap
Impressive instincts
Shows ability to disengage quickly
Great lateral agility
Grades out highly with chase tackles
Good vision; finds ballcarrier
Strong; active hands
Penetrates well; knows how to get under a lineman
Displays good pad level
Nice speed; plays fast
Wide pass rush repertoire
Shows good balance and coordination; flexible athlete
Quick hips
Adequate upper body strength
Very good motor and stamina
Durable
Great intangibles and work ethic
Prototype three-technique
Weaknesses:
Lacks some bulk to be a two-gap defensive tackle
Not a fit for every scheme
Not an elite run defender
Struggles against massive offensive linemen against run
Not overly powerful
Summary: McCoy is an amazing prospect and simply great at what he is - a three technique. He isn't going to be Vince Wilfork, and 3-4 teams won't target him. He will fit most 4-3 schemes looking for an elite pass rusher and someone who can disrupt opponents' backfields. He has elite intangibles and should be a definite top-10 pick. McCoy is my No. 1 defensive tackle for the 2010 NFL Draft.
Player Comparison: Kevin Williams. Williams is one of the elite defensive tackles in the NFL with his athleticism, instincts and pass-rush ability.
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I'd go with Suh if he's available. He's special, been that way since forever, not a flash in the pan surrounded by a good team or system (which can happen with QBs). He will be a stud in the NFL. If he could have qualified for the NFL draft out of highschool, he'd have gone somewhere.
I know a lot of you guys are wishing for the "franchise" QB, but a disruptive/dominant lineman can have a big effect on a game even if there aren't stats to show it. If Suh or another of his caliber are available...go for it. A strong D and O line can go a long long way towards success, once you've got that you can do pretty good with any decent QB, then focus on finding THE guy.
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I'd like to see how these guys finish the season, theres alot of football left.
Your better players will maintain their dominance the whole season.
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I'd like to see how these guys finish the season, theres alot of football left.
Your better players will maintain their dominance the whole season.
I'd like to see how these guys finish the season, theres alot of football left.
Your better players will maintain their dominance the whole season.
and also I don't think the Browns will pick in the top 5.
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Ndamukong Suh, 6-4/305
Defensive Tackle Nebraska
He's from Portland Oregon. I always wondered why he went clear the hell out to Nebraska.
He's from Portland Oregon. I always wondered why he went clear the hell out to Nebraska.
Here's something of an explanation:
By the end of his junior year, Suh was getting scholarship offers from several Division I schools, including Oregon and Oregon State. After attending the Stanford Combine the summer before his senior year, he had offers from the entire Pacific-10 Conference, as well as Miami, Mississippi State and Nebraska.
One of the primary reasons he chose Nebraska was because of its highly regarded engineering program and the focus the athletic department has on academics for its student-athletes. In December, Suh will graduate with a bachelor's degree in construction management, completing the five-year program in four and a half.
Should football not work out, Suh could easily fall back on a number of career options, including taking over his father's equipment business in Portland.
via here.
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He's from Portland Oregon. I always wondered why he went clear the hell out to Nebraska.
Here's something of an explanation:
By the end of his junior year, Suh was getting scholarship offers from several Division I schools, including Oregon and Oregon State. After attending the Stanford Combine the summer before his senior year, he had offers from the entire Pacific-10 Conference, as well as Miami, Mississippi State and Nebraska.
One of the primary reasons he chose Nebraska was because of its highly regarded engineering program and the focus the athletic department has on academics for its student-athletes. In December, Suh will graduate with a bachelor's degree in construction management, completing the five-year program in four and a half.
Should football not work out, Suh could easily fall back on a number of career options, including taking over his father's equipment business in Portland.
via here.
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Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?
nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?Eric Berry, Tennessee and Taylor Mays of USC are top DBs, but they may be safeties.
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Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?
nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?Some possibilities:
- Joe Haden, Florida (5'11", 190 lbs.)*
- Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest (6'0", 190 lbs.)
- Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State (6'0", 198 lbs.)
- Kareem Jackson, Alabama (5'11", 192 lbs.)*
- Donovan Warren, Michigan (6'0", 185 lbs.)*
- Jerome Murphy, South Florida (6'1", 185 lbs.)
- Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA) (6'1", 195 lbs.)
- Patrick Robinson, Florida State (5'11", 194 lbs.)
Also, there are smaller corners who will get drafted high: guys like Kentucky's Trevard Lindley (5'11", 180 lbs.) and Cal's Syd'Quan Thompson (5'9", 191 lbs.). Not sure either one's a good fit for what we need: though Lindley does have borderline shutdown corner potential, he isn't a consistent tackler.
* denotes underclassman
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Good stuff in this thread guys..it sucks that we are so into the draft in sept/october and soo much will change in the next month or two...but one thing will not sway me...and i know we need a QB but Suh is the one..we gotta make that happen
i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...
ALO..you think they draft QB in round 2? if so who do you project still hanging around
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Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?
nmills said:
Who are some of the top corners coming out next year? We really need a big corner opposite wright that can lay a lick on somebody and help out in the rungame. Any ideas on a big physical corner in the 2nd or 3rd round?Didn't you watch that video? Suh leads Nebraska in passes broken up. Put him at corner, theres your big hitter.
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With Mays and Berry so good at the top (although I could argue against Mays, he'll be there), some good DBs will drop. A guy like Kurt Coleman, who has been the best player on Ohio State's defense this year, even if he's overshadowed by Gibson, Heyward, and Rolle.
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Well, if he doesn't make it you can use his jersey as an eyechart in the trainer's room.
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Good stuff in this thread guys..it sucks that we are so into the draft in sept/october and soo much will change in the next month or two...but one thing will not sway me...and i know we need a QB but Suh is the one..we gotta make that happen
i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...
ALO..you think they draft QB in round 2? if so who do you project still hanging around
i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...
Gerald McCoy was great last week against Texas: he had two tackles for loss, a sack, and five quarterback hurries. He disappeared against Miami and Baylor, but he's an elite prospect in his own right. Very Warren Sapp-ish.
Suh's a better projection to 3-4 end because of his great combination of strength, tenacity, and athleticism. But if we were looking for an explosive one-gap penetrator, I'd probably take McCoy over Suh.
McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.
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McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.
Sounds like we could use both!
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i do not feel as strong about Mccoy DE (Oklahoma) not mccoy QB (texas)...
Gerald McCoy was great last week against Texas: he had two tackles for loss, a sack, and five quarterback hurries. He disappeared against Miami and Baylor, but he's an elite prospect in his own right. Very Warren Sapp-ish.
Suh's a better projection to 3-4 end because of his great combination of strength, tenacity, and athleticism. But if we were looking for an explosive one-gap penetrator, I'd probably take McCoy over Suh.
McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.
Gerald McCoy was great last week against Texas: he had two tackles for loss, a sack, and five quarterback hurries. He disappeared against Miami and Baylor, but he's an elite prospect in his own right. Very Warren Sapp-ish.
Suh's a better projection to 3-4 end because of his great combination of strength, tenacity, and athleticism. But if we were looking for an explosive one-gap penetrator, I'd probably take McCoy over Suh.
McCoy probably will have more career sacks; Suh will clog more running lanes.
Yes i watched the Texas game (had to turn it from the buckeye cluster F)
he looked solid...i wouldnt complian..id prefer SUH as you mentioned blowing up the run...id prefer to get a fast athletic quarterback killa on the opposite side of WImbley in addition to SUH...good luck right?
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Did anybody see Mizzou vs. Nebraska last night? This guy was all over the place, I would really like to here Alo's thought's on this guy. Here is a scouting report on him.
Ndamukong Suh, 6-4/305
Defensive Tackle Nebraska
Ndamukong Suh Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
Strengths:
Very big frame
Outstanding muscle definition
Good lower body strength
Elite junior year production
Very active; above average motor
Nice second effort
Good agility
Takes on multiple blockers; run clogger
Highly athletic
Grades out well in chase (pursuit) tackling
Disengages from linemen to make tackles
Powerful
Collapses pocket
Backfield penetrator
Good instincts
Explosive off snap
Great leadership and reportedly solid work ethic
Solid all-around skill set
Good amount of upside
Versatile; can play 1-, 3-, and 5-techniques.
Weaknesses:
Occasionally gets too high in stance; leads to being washed
Leverage technique could be more consistent
Could develop more of a pass-rush repertoire
Multiple knee injuries and surgeries
One-year wonder?
Summary: Suh is an outstanding prospect for the 2010 NFL Draft class because there is so much to like about him. He can play in multiple schemes, which NFL general managers love. His durability could end up being a huge problem dependent on doctors' reviews at NFL Combine like Glenn Dorsey. If he can stay healthy and keep the production up as a senior, he should be a first-round lock. Name pronounced IN-DOM-AH-KEN SOO. "Ndamukong" means "House of Spears" in a Cameroon language.
Player Comparison: Richard Seymour. Seymour and Suh have that great length, explosiveness, and strength that you want in a defensive tackle with the ability to play various schemes.
Did anybody see Mizzou vs. Nebraska last night? This guy was all over the place, I would really like to here Alo's thought's on this guy. Here is a scouting report on him.
Ndamukong Suh, 6-4/305
Defensive Tackle Nebraska
Ndamukong Suh Scouting Report
By Matt McGuire
Strengths:
Very big frame
Outstanding muscle definition
Good lower body strength
Elite junior year production
Very active; above average motor
Nice second effort
Good agility
Takes on multiple blockers; run clogger
Highly athletic
Grades out well in chase (pursuit) tackling
Disengages from linemen to make tackles
Powerful
Collapses pocket
Backfield penetrator
Good instincts
Explosive off snap
Great leadership and reportedly solid work ethic
Solid all-around skill set
Good amount of upside
Versatile; can play 1-, 3-, and 5-techniques.
Weaknesses:
Occasionally gets too high in stance; leads to being washed
Leverage technique could be more consistent
Could develop more of a pass-rush repertoire
Multiple knee injuries and surgeries
One-year wonder?
Summary: Suh is an outstanding prospect for the 2010 NFL Draft class because there is so much to like about him. He can play in multiple schemes, which NFL general managers love. His durability could end up being a huge problem dependent on doctors' reviews at NFL Combine like Glenn Dorsey. If he can stay healthy and keep the production up as a senior, he should be a first-round lock. Name pronounced IN-DOM-AH-KEN SOO. "Ndamukong" means "House of Spears" in a Cameroon language.
Player Comparison: Richard Seymour. Seymour and Suh have that great length, explosiveness, and strength that you want in a defensive tackle with the ability to play various schemes.
Thanks BernietheKid! Great stuff!
They were really talking this kid up on the local sports radio show here in Nashville. Another stud who's name I did not catch is supposed to be a LBer for the Arizona State Sun Devils. Allegedly not just good but they think he's gonna be the closest thing to a Ray Lewis type of enforcer as it will probably ever get. That might be a little much to live up to but it at least it means he's turning heads and probably clearing heads on a weekly basis. Of course I don't have his name. I'll see if I can get it sometime soon and post up a new thread about him.
- Tom F.
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