Jerome Harrison
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Totally agree with you about Harrison. It's another reason IMHO that Romeo is unemployed right now. The guy deserves a chance to prove he is an every down back. Lewis is at the end of the line, and it sure would be nice if we didn't have to add RB to our shopping list come April. You can't always get lucky the way the Bengals did with Cedric Benson.
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I've been a fan of Harrison for years... I've always wanted to see him play.
But somehow in the back of my mind I have this fear that Mangini is going to continue to start J-Lew, just like Crenel did. Arg, where's the puking smiley when you need it?
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that's bceause belichik hand-me-downs cant think for themselves.
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Harrison too small?
Shit guys, look at this:
Willie Parker | #39 | RB. Pittsburgh Steelers | Official Team Site. Height: 5-10 Weight: 209
Jerome Harrison | #35 | RB. Cleveland Browns | Official Team Site. Height: 5-9 Weight: 205
Enough said. Put a five lb weight in his pocket and GET HIM THE FREAKING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too small....damn, that's just dumb.
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Harrison's going to have another strong week. Mark it.
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Everyone talks about Jerome Harrison as being too small, and incapable of being an every down back. I have a few things for you all to look at that says PHOOEY!!!
Did you see last week? 121 yards on 29 carries. Looked like a starter. He also IMPROVED his per yard average in his second 10 carries by almost 2 yards per carry. Further, he was able to add 5 receptions for a total of 34 touches during the game...and was still running strong at the end.
Oh, and as an aside, take a look at Chris Johnson, 5'11" 200 lbs, who currently leads the league in rushing yards and is averaging 17 carries a game. (JH is 5'9", 205.) There are a couple other little guys near the top of the rushing stats as well.
I like him....and with Jennings and Davis showing signs of moving the ball...I am not sure RB is a big need going into next year even if JL is gone.
Everyone talks about Jerome Harrison as being too small, and incapable of being an every down back. I have a few things for you all to look at that says PHOOEY!!!
Did you see last week? 121 yards on 29 carries. Looked like a starter. He also IMPROVED his per yard average in his second 10 carries by almost 2 yards per carry. Further, he was able to add 5 receptions for a total of 34 touches during the game...and was still running strong at the end.
Oh, and as an aside, take a look at Chris Johnson, 5'11" 200 lbs, who currently leads the league in rushing yards and is averaging 17 carries a game. (JH is 5'9", 205.) There are a couple other little guys near the top of the rushing stats as well.
I like him....and with Jennings and Davis showing signs of moving the ball...I am not sure RB is a big need going into next year even if JL is gone.
I heard a report from Browns "insider" (Andre Knott) that Harrison was really hurting at the beginning of his week from his heavy work load. Time will tell. I think he goes down on contact too easily to be an elite back. Cribbs on the other hand would seem to have the complete package of tools to be a featured back.
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Harrison's going to have another strong week. Mark it.
Harrison's going to have another strong week. Mark it.
He better. Miami rolled up 250 yards rushing on the Bills last week. They are absent their best LBer and both starting safeties. We need to show that we can run the ball effectively and then go over the top. If we can run the ball, this game sets up pretty nice. Mack had a pretty nice game last week. If he continues to improve and we get Hadnot back, this running game might pick up.
I'd like to see Jennings get more touches and I'd REALLY like to see Cribbs get at least a series as a RB. If not a series, they could come out in a four wide set and have him motion behind Vickers into an I. He'd likely be running against at least a nickel package. You'd think that Vickers would be a good guy to keep back in protection too. He's capable of slipping out of the backfield and catching a ball to keep the defense honest.
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Everyone talks about Jerome Harrison as being too small, and incapable of being an every down back. I have a few things for you all to look at that says PHOOEY!!!
Did you see last week? 121 yards on 29 carries. Looked like a starter. He also IMPROVED his per yard average in his second 10 carries by almost 2 yards per carry. Further, he was able to add 5 receptions for a total of 34 touches during the game...and was still running strong at the end.
Oh, and as an aside, take a look at Chris Johnson, 5'11" 200 lbs, who currently leads the league in rushing yards and is averaging 17 carries a game. (JH is 5'9", 205.) There are a couple other little guys near the top of the rushing stats as well.
I like him....and with Jennings and Davis showing signs of moving the ball...I am not sure RB is a big need going into next year even if JL is gone.
I heard a report from Browns "insider" (Andre Knott) that Harrison was really hurting at the beginning of his week from his heavy work load. Time will tell. I think he goes down on contact too easily to be an elite back. Cribbs on the other hand would seem to have the complete package of tools to be a featured back.
I heard a report from Browns "insider" (Andre Knott) that Harrison was really hurting at the beginning of his week from his heavy work load. Time will tell. I think he goes down on contact too easily to be an elite back. Cribbs on the other hand would seem to have the complete package of tools to be a featured back.
Will you fricken stop talking about Cribbs as a featured back?! Nobody who is anybody is talking about that happening. So stop talking about it!
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I heard a report from Browns "insider" (Andre Knott) that Harrison was really hurting at the beginning of his week from his heavy work load. Time will tell. I think he goes down on contact too easily to be an elite back. Cribbs on the other hand would seem to have the complete package of tools to be a featured back.
Will you fricken stop talking about Cribbs as a featured back?! Nobody who is anybody is talking about that happening. So stop talking about it!
Will you fricken stop talking about Cribbs as a featured back?! Nobody who is anybody is talking about that happening. So stop talking about it!
I just love the notion that a guy who has been an every down back through college and I'm guessing HS can't be, but a guy who spent his career at QB can be.
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Harrison will toughen up as he plays more. When you are only getting in for 6 plays a game (or fewer) it's not wonder you're hurting after getting most of the load a single week later.
He'll toughen up or prove he can't carry the load - either way you have to play the guy to find out. I've never seen a team so reluctant to play guys that have proven to be playmakers. It's almost like they are afraid they'll use them up so they need to be saved for when the Superbowl plays in the balance.
Maybe they should be reminded that at least a .500 record is requisite to get into the playoffs.
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Will you fricken stop talking about Cribbs as a featured back?! Nobody who is anybody is talking about that happening. So stop talking about it!
I just love the notion that a guy who has been an every down back through college and I'm guessing HS can't be, but a guy who spent his career at QB can be.
Masters said:
I just love the notion that a guy who has been an every down back through college and I'm guessing HS can't be, but a guy who spent his career at QB can be.Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
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NO back in the nfl will last 6 games of 26 carries in the NFL. Every year, hardly any backs even average over 20 carries per game.
Harrison was pretty gassed out there on sunday not because he doesn't have what it takes, but because he played four quarters of offense and both kick coverage and returns. Take the starting running back off of returns and coverage and he might not be hurting so much of monday and tuesday.
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Masters said:
I just love the notion that a guy who has been an every down back through college and I'm guessing HS can't be, but a guy who spent his career at QB can be.Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
I'll just pretend you didn't try to compare someone playing TE or WR to playing RB. All day different as far as physicality and hits you will take. Unless your point was Ward could play RB and Gates could play RB. Yes, that's 4000 yards over 4 years of starting, and rushing on option plays off the edge. Harrison was 1 years of starting and 1 year as a back up. Hmmmm..... 2 year stat vs. 4 year stats. RB in the Pac-10 vs. option QB in the MAC.
I keep hearing Cribbs as the most explosive player, and that is true on special teams. But out side of on special teams, when has he been explosive on offense when they have gotten him the ball? The occasional reverse and that's about it.
And what does my complaints that Cribbs is not a WR have to do with this? Other than to go to show CLE needs to quit spending time trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Which is what making him a RB would again be.
Getting Cribbs the ball is not a bad thing. Trying for make him a RB and having him try rushing as a RB 15 times a game is not. This is similar to when they tried to make Metcalf more than a great ST player or the Ice Cube.
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NO back in the nfl will last 6 games of 26 carries in the NFL. Every year, hardly any backs even average over 20 carries per game.
Harrison was pretty gassed out there on sunday not because he doesn't have what it takes, but because he played four quarters of offense and both kick coverage and returns. Take the starting running back off of returns and coverage and he might not be hurting so much of monday and tuesday.
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Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
I'll just pretend you didn't try to compare someone playing TE or WR to playing RB. All day different as far as physicality and hits you will take. Unless your point was Ward could play RB and Gates could play RB. Yes, that's 4000 yards over 4 years of starting, and rushing on option plays off the edge. Harrison was 1 years of starting and 1 year as a back up. Hmmmm..... 2 year stat vs. 4 year stats. RB in the Pac-10 vs. option QB in the MAC.
I keep hearing Cribbs as the most explosive player, and that is true on special teams. But out side of on special teams, when has he been explosive on offense when they have gotten him the ball? The occasional reverse and that's about it.
And what does my complaints that Cribbs is not a WR have to do with this? Other than to go to show CLE needs to quit spending time trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Which is what making him a RB would again be.
Getting Cribbs the ball is not a bad thing. Trying for make him a RB and having him try rushing as a RB 15 times a game is not. This is similar to when they tried to make Metcalf more than a great ST player or the Ice Cube.
Masters said:
I'll just pretend you didn't try to compare someone playing TE or WR to playing RB. All day different as far as physicality and hits you will take. Unless your point was Ward could play RB and Gates could play RB.
No, my first point was that just because a guy didn't play a certain position in college doesn't mean he can't play it in the pros. I later made the point that Cribbs took 4 years and 4,000 yards worth of hits in college. Are you trying to say with a straight face that you believe Harrison is a more "physical" guy than Cribbs. Really? Do you watch the games? We don't have a more physical player. He's gunner on special teams. Other than an old-fashioned wedge buster there's not a more violent role on an NFL team.
Yes, that's 4000 yards over 4 years of starting, and rushing on option plays off the edge. Harrison was 1 years of starting and 1 year as a back up. Hmmmm..... 2 year stat vs. 4 year stats. RB in the Pac-10 vs. option QB in the MAC.
So, just to get it straight . . . you are basing your statement that Harrison can be an every down back in the NFL based on the fact that he held up through one year of college, right. Fact is that Kent State's line is better than the team they are playing like two times during the season. Cribbs had 100 yards on 21 carries against OSU the year they won the National Championship. He single-handedly kept his team in that game for a half.
I keep hearing Cribbs as the most explosive player, and that is true on special teams. But out side of on special teams, when has he been explosive on offense when they have gotten him the ball? The occasional reverse and that's about it.
Other than his explosive return ability, Cribs has 70 touches and two TDs in his time here. Harrison has 163 touches and two TDs. And, really, the whole team was stagnant with Quinn at the helm. Who had impressive offensive numbers? Cribbs didn't get the chance to play with Anderson that much last week. Who knows what he might do if a QB is able to get him the ball in space? At least twice in the early season he was open on a deep out route to convert a third down and Quinn delivered a miserably inaccurate pass that sailed high and outside after trying to muscle up on a throw that he's not comfortable making.
And what does my complaints that Cribbs is not a WR have to do with this? Other than to go to show CLE needs to quit spending time trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Which is what making him a RB would again be.
Oh, I forgot . . . Cribbs returned kicks and punts in college and was the gunner on the special teams units, right?
Getting Cribbs the ball is not a bad thing. Trying for make him a RB and having him try rushing as a RB 15 times a game is not. This is similar to when they tried to make Metcalf more than a great ST player or the Ice Cube.
Harrison reminds me of Metcalf much more than Cribbs. Not a Harrison hater . . . but the easy TD Cincy got on the ball they stripped from Harrison was the difference in that game. Cribbs almost willed a win with his kick returns. He needs more touches to impact the game.
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Masters said:
I just love the notion that a guy who has been an every down back through college and I'm guessing HS can't be, but a guy who spent his career at QB can be.Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
Kind of like a guy who was a power forward in high school being a pro bowl TE -- Gates
Or a guy who was a QB in college being a pro bowl WR -- Ward
Cribbs could have played major D-1 college as a RB easily. He went to a college that would allow him to play QB . . . but he specialized in running the ball!
College Statistics
* 2001: 131/238 (55.0%) for 1516 yards and 10 TD vs. 5 INT. 164 carries for 1192 yards and 5 TD.
* 2002: 91/186 (48.9%) for 1014 yards and 4 TD vs. 14 INT. 137 carries for 1057 yards and 10 TD.
* 2003: 178/364 (48.9%) for 2424 yards and 14 TD vs. 9 INT. 161 carries for 701 yards and 14 TD.
* 2004: 216/335 (64.5%) for 2215 yards and 17 TD vs. 6 INT. 170 carries for 893 yards and 9 TD.
Yeah, that's almost 4000 yards rushing in college. 1200 more than Harrison. Running the ball is not foreign to him. He runs with speed, power and vision. But I guess it's ridiculous to think it might be a good thing to get our most explosive player 15 touches a game as a RB as opposed to a WR. Aren't you the one that's always bitching about Cribbs playing receiver Masters?
Harrison will not last six games in the NFL getting 26 carries a game. This ain't the PAC 10. They have Jennings and an over-the-hill Lewis behind Harrison.
Now why is getting Cribbs some rushes a bad idea?
Ummm cuz he's not a running back? He's never practiced at running back, he's still trying (unsuccessfully) to be a reciever, we already have guys who actually play the position of runningback, the coaching staff has no intentions of playing him at running back, cribbs has never mentioned playing running back, nor has anyone else on the browns ever mentioned him being a running back.. he's also not a safety or cornerback. He is a special teams guy..that's it. he "attempts" to play reciever and runs the WildDawg on rare occasion.
And I'll quote your reference above on Harrison not being able to hold up.." this ain't the Pac-10"...
Regarding Cribbs" This ain't the MAC either"
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