DA can scratch KC off of his Wish List.

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My guess is that alot of GMs make the move for Williams, so my "later in the draft" comment was a reference to our first pick being in the 4th round (I assume you dont want to take back the Rogers trade too).

Had I been GM, I wouldn't have traded for a guy like Shaun Rogers, nor would I have traded for Kris Jenkins. Yet both of those guys have been reborn as 3-4 NT's, which is why you should take my words with a boulder of salt.

But let's continue...

The first WR taken after our 2nd round pick was Dexter Jackson. He has yet to see playing time.

He was a ridiculous reach; the guy lost his punt return job because he kept slipping when making cuts.

The next was Earl Bennett. He has 0 career catches.

Can't get on the field because of a recurring case of the dropsies. Maybe not a reach, but a bad pick.

The next 7 WRs taken have combined for 22 catches. That includes Mario Manningham, whom some on this board were hot for, with 1 reception.

Not me on Manningham, but you're missing that 20 of those receptions came from two mid-Round 3 receivers, Harry Douglas and Early Doucet.

Many people on this board liked Douglas as a 3rd Round slot type, and that's the role he's been playing with the Falcons. He's not getting many targets in their run-first system, but the reports on him are pretty solid.

Doucet was a surprise slide to the 3rd Round, where he was picked up the receiver-heavy Cardinals. It's no surprise, then, that he only has 8 catches so far - he's buried on the depth chart behind Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Breaston.

On different offenses & different teams, those guys would have more than 20 combined catches.

That takes us to the end of the 4th round. You'll have a tough time convincing me that selecting a WR after that is anything more than a crapshoot, at least as far as production in their first couple of years.

Yes, WR is a position in which players can take years to fully develop. It's also a position in which minor, nagging injuries can take a toll on a player's performance. So if a guy's nickname is The Human Hamstring Pull, you may have a problem.

But I don't think we disagree much on all the stuff above. A rookie receiver's probably not going to serve as an effective #2 receiver (I was thinking more as a slot guy). And Stallworth, though not very durable, probably was the most talented #2 available.

However, I think the situation advised against signing Stallworth because

[*] the FO already knew that Joe Jurevicius' knee could keep him out for the entire season[/*14mdrzfo]

So we definitely needed another receiver, but he didn't have to be a world-beater & he needed to be durable.

What Savage did, however, was go for the home run. Anticipating that this could be our year, he signed the player who could (potentially) take the offense to an entirely new level, but also the player who'd be the least likely to stay healthy.

As a result, we didn't have a #2 receiver at precisely the time we needed one most. Stallworth may be able to play the rest of the season, but it's too late; not only is this not our year, but we're not going to make the playoffs.

So I would have preferred to sign a cheap & safe option like Gaffney & hope an Eddie Royal or a Justin Morgan fell into our laps.

But I recognize that it'd be the more conservative option, which may not appeal to your oh so liberal tastes

hoorta

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Today, he looked like we'd hoped Stallworth looked. It's amazing what a supplemental weapon (in addition to your #1 WR and TE) can do for an offense (duh.).
Yeah, Stallworth really screwed up our season.
And Phil deserves some of the blame as well. Look at how all the other FA receivers we discussed this spring have done compared to Stallworth:

: 30 catches, 621 yards, 4 TD
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[*] Devery Henderson: 18 catches, 499 yards, 3 TD

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[*] Bryant Johnson: 16 catches, 208 yards, 1 TD

[/*2n36iejt]

[*] Justin Gage: 13 catches, 182 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Jabar Gaffney: 12 catches, 118 yards, 1 TD

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[*] Donte Stallworth: 11 catches, 104 yards, 1 TD[/*2n36iejt]

His numbers are very close to Gaffney's, but Jabar signed a one year, $1.25 M deal. Stallworth got $10 M guaranteed.

That's not good.

The only one on that list that really stands out is Berrian, and he got Braylon Edwards cash. Also heard his interview on ESPN and he wouldn't have come here.

Berrian who had missed more games that Stallworth ever had going into this offseason, whose previous career high was 71 rec and 951 yards in 2007 and wanted #1 WR money? Stallworth was a guy who for his career was putting up more yards on less catches before coming to CLE. Hindsight is 20/20. Plus, who is to say Berrian, or any of those guys would put up those numbers in CLE. We aren't exactly talking about guys who had been a proven producer, or a sure bet even when first drafted. This isn't like assuming Adrian Peterson would play lights out no matter whose uni he put on.

Mr. Broken

If I were looking to ship DA for the best deal, I would go to the worst deal maker in the league, send him to the Black Hole to talk to Mr. Davis.

plumcrazy73

ok but you have SF who I think will be in the market for a QB, possible Seahawks too! Along with the Rams maybe, Min, and I think KC is still going to seriously think about it. MIA would not suprise me to see them still looking too. THe Lions and the Cardinal too. Tampa loves QB's.

Jabar Gaffney's stats from Thursday night: 7 catches, 86 yards, 1 TD.

Like I said, dude may not be a world-beater, but he's capable of being an effective third option in the passing game.

Tobalaz

@orangenotbrown said:
I stated something very positive about DA, which you overlooked because you like to agrue. I think he could do well in Min with the type of team they have, he couldnt do well in Cleveland because we dont have that top in RB or the shut down defense needed for a qb like DA to do well. I think he is a nice guy and I dont want him to fail, I just dont want him to take the Browns down with him with his one dimensional style of play.
Alright well thats point well taken.

But if you trade him tomorrow who is your backup? Dorsey?

Isn't Joey Harrington and Jamarcus Russell, err, Donte Culpepper out there floating around?

Really though, best bet is to keep both for now. Quinn might go down and DA will light it up against an easy opponent and we'll want to keep him again.

Flugel

mz. said:
Anyone watching a smart, poised, patient Tyler Thigpen playing very well against the Chargers? And this is with zero running game to speak of.
MIN or bust????? MIA isn't giving anything up with Henne still waiting to take his turn. Any other possible suitors?

All I can see is Detroit if there's a franchise willing to call that a starting QB. He's a backup for any franchise but Detroit.

Quinn AND Dorsey would have won 10 games in 2007. We didn't even REQUIRE a QB the last time we played buffalo. All we needed was someone to volunteer to handoff and throw every pass out of bounds as the 2 point Safety became the game winning score.

- Tom F.

Legacy Fan

@tobalaz said:
.. and DA will light it up against an easy opponent and we'll want to keep him again...

Are there any of those left on our schedule??

Tobalaz

@legacy-fan said:
Are there any of those left on our schedule??

We still play Cincy one more time right?

The Italian DawgPound

mz. said:
Literally or figuratively?

The Italian DawgPound

DA will face unemployment in two months' time.

Herman M

HE WILL GO TO SEATTLE OR MINN.

ATENEARS

Was this thread about DA?

Opps, must have missed it among all those other topics about the team.

ATENEARS

@atenears said:
Was this thread about DA?
Opps, must have missed it among all those other topics about the team.

Dude, you miss the point. You say no one is talking about other areas of the team (and you have been saying it since CLE announced DA's benching). Why don't you go put one of these responses in those threads. You can start with the list of threads JADBF already gave you.

@jadbf said:
Oh he got the point...he just chooses to ignore it.
And gee....you'd think a guy so busy with running this site wouldn't have the time to stoop to my childish level.....

I was gonna say that.......

@jadbf said:
Ahh but that is one thing I do like about Stan...he's not affraid to wallow in the muck.

That's why when he decides to post, he goes right to the QB debate threads. Cause that's usually where the muck is.

Guest

Aloysius said:
Jabar Gaffney's stats from Thursday night: 7 catches, 86 yards, 1 TD.
Like I said, dude may not be a world-beater, but he's capable of being an effective third option in the passing game.

Today, Gaffney had 5 catches for 88 yards.

He could be a cheap FA option this offseason - could play slot if Joe J can't come back.