Mangini driving away GM candidates
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Formerly Stone said:
But!.......Lerner has to be able to convince the "czar" that he is serious about winning! This means a long term strategy which the "czar" agrees with and believes in. It also means that the "czar" has an open checkbook (Lerner's checkbook) to get the right people and he gets 5 years to make it happen. It will be two years before good coaches and free agents buy in to the plan so even in this situation, the Browns will struggle, but show signs of improvement, for a couple years. Are Browns fans able to accept this?
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So you'll give the new guy 5 years but you cant even give Mangini half a year. Your a pretty smart fella, this plan that your talking about sounds alot like Mangini's. Maybe we should give it a chance if even you agree with it. Are you able to accept that were already doing that?
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Formerly Stone said:
Your point about the loudest mouths is 100% valid. But the other coaches you mentioned, with the exception of Cable, are not part of an organization which is in complete disarray like the Browns.....that's why the scrutiny is high.Any team that is losing is considered to be an "organization in disarray." Perhaps it is the height of organization to delete the unproductive members of that organization. To Streamline, rethink, reeducate, revise. It may not give the outward appearance of stability, but that does not mean it is "disarray". Perhaps it is only "frustration".
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Formerly Stone said:
But!.......Lerner has to be able to convince the "czar" that he is serious about winning! This means a long term strategy which the "czar" agrees with and believes in. It also means that the "czar" has an open checkbook (Lerner's checkbook) to get the right people and he gets 5 years to make it happen. It will be two years before good coaches and free agents buy in to the plan so even in this situation, the Browns will struggle, but show signs of improvement, for a couple years. Are Browns fans able to accept this?
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So you'll give the new guy 5 years but you cant even give Mangini half a year. Your a pretty smart fella, this plan that your talking about sounds alot like Mangini's. Maybe we should give it a chance if even you agree with it. Are you able to accept that were already doing that?
nmills said:
So you'll give the new guy 5 years but you cant even give Mangini half a year. Your a pretty smart fella, this plan that your talking about sounds alot like Mangini's. Maybe we should give it a chance if even you agree with it. Are you able to accept that were already doing that?I think typically what an owner is looking for when bringing in a new coach is a new energy and enthusiasm that is felt throughout the organization and out to the fan base... a feeling of optimism that the team, even if it's doing badly, is turning things around.
Is that the general feeling in Cleveland? Is the Kokinis hiring part of the plan? Are other hand-chosen people and players chosen by Mangini working out well? Do fans feel like Mangini has the "Parcells touch" of adapting his people skills, knowing when some players need to be pushed and some players need to be treated more gently, all while never losing sight of his goals? Of building a team oriented organization that gets everyone moving forward in the same direction?
Or is there more a feeling of secrecy and draconian "one way of doing things" in the Browns organization now.
Is the fan base generally as optimistic as they were upon the hiring of Mangini? Did Mangini, having been fired 8 days prior and having no other team interested in him, really give the Browns the boost they wanted?
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nmills said:
So you'll give the new guy 5 years but you cant even give Mangini half a year. Your a pretty smart fella, this plan that your talking about sounds alot like Mangini's. Maybe we should give it a chance if even you agree with it. Are you able to accept that were already doing that?I think typically what an owner is looking for when bringing in a new coach is a new energy and enthusiasm that is felt throughout the organization and out to the fan base... a feeling of optimism that the team, even if it's doing badly, is turning things around.
Is that the general feeling in Cleveland? Is the Kokinis hiring part of the plan? Are other hand-chosen people and players chosen by Mangini working out well? Do fans feel like Mangini has the "Parcells touch" of adapting his people skills, knowing when some players need to be pushed and some players need to be treated more gently, all while never losing sight of his goals? Of building a team oriented organization that gets everyone moving forward in the same direction?
Or is there more a feeling of secrecy and draconian "one way of doing things" in the Browns organization now.
Is the fan base generally as optimistic as they were upon the hiring of Mangini? Did Mangini, having been fired 8 days prior and having no other team interested in him, really give the Browns the boost they wanted?
I think typically what an owner is looking for when bringing in a new coach is a new energy and enthusiasm that is felt throughout the organization and out to the fan base... a feeling of optimism that the team, even if it's doing badly, is turning things around.
Is that the general feeling in Cleveland? Is the Kokinis hiring part of the plan? Are other hand-chosen people and players chosen by Mangini working out well? Do fans feel like Mangini has the "Parcells touch" of adapting his people skills, knowing when some players need to be pushed and some players need to be treated more gently, all while never losing sight of his goals? Of building a team oriented organization that gets everyone moving forward in the same direction?
Or is there more a feeling of secrecy and draconian "one way of doing things" in the Browns organization now.
Is the fan base generally as optimistic as they were upon the hiring of Mangini? Did Mangini, having been fired 8 days prior and having no other team interested in him, really give the Browns the boost they wanted?
That is what you want and look for....not a owner with a plan.
If all a coach brings is fluff and enthusiasm, then we don't need him.
The problem is most fans think they could do a great job of building a team when the reality is most fans don't know squat about what it really takes.....beyond all the fluff that is.
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I think typically what an owner is looking for when bringing in a new coach is a new energy and enthusiasm that is felt throughout the organization and out to the fan base... a feeling of optimism that the team, even if it's doing badly, is turning things around.
Is that the general feeling in Cleveland? Is the Kokinis hiring part of the plan? Are other hand-chosen people and players chosen by Mangini working out well? Do fans feel like Mangini has the "Parcells touch" of adapting his people skills, knowing when some players need to be pushed and some players need to be treated more gently, all while never losing sight of his goals? Of building a team oriented organization that gets everyone moving forward in the same direction?
Or is there more a feeling of secrecy and draconian "one way of doing things" in the Browns organization now.
Is the fan base generally as optimistic as they were upon the hiring of Mangini? Did Mangini, having been fired 8 days prior and having no other team interested in him, really give the Browns the boost they wanted?
That is what you want and look for....not a owner with a plan.
If all a coach brings is fluff and enthusiasm, then we don't need him.
The problem is most fans think they could do a great job of building a team when the reality is most fans don't know squat about what it really takes.....beyond all the fluff that is.
That is what you want and look for....not a owner with a plan.
If all a coach brings is fluff and enthusiasm, then we don't need him.
The problem is most fans think they could do a great job of building a team when the reality is most fans don't know squat about what it really takes.....beyond all the fluff that is.
well, as I said, the feeling of optimism and enthusiasm is tied to a feeling among the fans that the coach is turning things around.
If indeed the general sense in Cleveland is that all of this is part of Mangini's plan in terms of player management, front office decisions, the people he's hand-picked for strategic roles in the organization, that his OC and other coaches are doing a great job, that he's created an environment of excellence, great.
What you seem to be hearing from outside observers and inside sources is that that is NOT the case, and I think if things were going well I don't think you'd be hearing Lerner talk about bringing in a Czar.
The original point of this thread though is that Mangini's continued assertions that HE will continue to retain control on the direction of the organization is not helpful to attracting the best GMs/Czars out there
Indeed I think a GM/Czar not insistent on having the authority to fire and hire the head coach probably isn't worth having... especially in this case where the Coach/GM has not done a good job, presumably even by the owner's own assessment (or else he wouldn't need to hire a Czar).
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Again...I don't think that is what he said...that is what some want to read.
Let's see how it pans out before we get all worked up over the deal.
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