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[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

And besides 1969 ALL THOSE Games Sold out. So , to NOT go is normally a last minute decision or being too lazy to try to resell your Tickets. The line to go to the Vast majotity of those games would be more than enough , if it was known in advance tickets available.. Why are you SO obsessed with this ? is it the only thing you "Think" you have on SteelerNation ?? You sound so ridiculously bitter its sad.

I don't think it is an obsession of "Kosars", but merely a refutation of the argument brought up by another Steeler troll about how "you cannot sell out your stadium", or "you cannot fill your stadium without Steeler fans".

Is Kosar not allowed to refute an argument that one of yinz brought up?

The Browns go on inactive status for 3 years, come back under an expansion like process, suck sewer water for 10 years, and one of your ilk thinks that its awful that perhaps a game here might not sell out under those circumstances? (and that doesn't even take into account the dire economic straits of this area coupled with the ridiculous high cost of attending a game). Kosar's argument simply is "look, you Steeler fan asshats want to throw stones, but look at your own glass house before pitching that rock. When you have had even a modest amount of discomfiture with the performance of your team, which has not undergone a tenth of the tribulations our team has, you have hit the door running to stay away from the product."

So, perhaps when yinzes obsession with throwing barbs at the Browns fans dissipates, and you quit making specious arguments, Browns fans will quit making cogent responses, and we can all get on with our lives.

[BATMAN]

@the-gipper said:

What is the capacity of the Big Ketchup Bottle?

(And, out of curiosity, when did Pittsburgh change from being The Iron City to being the Condiment City).

Have you ever tasted Iron City Beer ? Believe me, you would rather drink down a bottle of ketchup.

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

13 Titles ???? How many NFL Titles do you have ?? NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE ... come on ... its 4 !!! How delusional are you gip ??

THIRTEEN TITLES. Do you want me to recite the years: 1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1954, 1964. I sure the f**k didn't make them up. They are in the books. Read them and weep. Or, choke on them, I don't really care. They ain't going away just because a house landed on you, Dorothy.

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

dude it AINT Gonna happen . Thats not how Pittsburgh rolls. It not plausible at all . There is no current evidence that we would desert our team. The Games are ALL SOLD out !! LOL... what an azzz you are. And the Bengals have ONE playoff win in the last 19 years !!! Not too concerned they will suddenly "Change" their Stripes !! LOL>

Sure, you say that now. Give us three straight losing years, and we won't be able to say "I told you so" as you will be vapor on this board. Like I said, it is a theory worth testing.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

I don't think it is an obsession of "Kosars", but merely a refutation of the argument brought up by another Steeler troll about how "you cannot sell out your stadium", or "you cannot fill your stadium without Steeler fans".

Is Kosar not allowed to refute an argument that one of yinz brought up?

The Browns go on inactive status for 3 years, come back under an expansion like process, suck sewer water for 10 years, and one of your ilk thinks that its awful that perhaps a game here might not sell out under those circumstances? (and that doesn't even take into account the dire economic straits of this area coupled with the ridiculous high cost of attending a game). Kosar's argument simply is "look, you Steeler fan asshats want to throw stones, but look at your own glass house before pitching that rock. When you have had even a modest amount of discomfiture with the performance of your team, which has not undergone a tenth of the tribulations our team has, you have hit the door running to stay away from the product."

So, perhaps when yinzes obsession with throwing barbs at the Browns fans dissipates, and you quit making specious arguments, Browns fans will quit making cogent responses, and we can all get on with our lives

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Hes a Retard ... You guys support those Bums year in year out REAL Steeler fans know this. And the Old Guard respect the heck out of you for it. We were disappointed when Modell screwed you. What I hate is the BS tosses around about how WE Wouldn't support the Steelers IF we were losers. Well one thing is We are NOT Losers and with the current mindset will never be losers over a Long stretch. And for another thing we have sold out for Years and Years , You guys have games were attendance drops as well.. dont put ALL Steelers fans on One Bandwagon Group. the VAST Majority of our fans are Die hard not bandwagon. And Like it or not we are Cut from the same cloth. Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

THIRTEEN TITLES. Do you want me to recite the years: 1920, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1953, 1954, 1964. I sure the f**k didn't make them up. They are in the books. Read them and weep. Or, choke on them, I don't really care. They ain't going away just because a house landed on you, Dorothy.

Do you want me to tell you again what NFL Titles are ??? NATOIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Championships !!! How many NFL TITLES ??? Quit !!! You have 4 !! No one gives a freak that you had an NFL Caliber MINOR League Team !!! And good lord I KNOW your "The Gipper" but did they even have Helmets in the 20 `s ??? Screw that. Modern Football is a different Game . I will Give you the 50`s. But Its its NOT an NFL Title we dont CARE !!!

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

LOL... Thats not remotely comparable.

The point is that a team can only play under the rules that are in place at the time, and can only do what it can do under those rules.

I mean, it would be like saying that "George Washington and Thomas Jefferson didn't really win a legitimate Presidential election because, well, there were only 13 states back then." Well, they won the election in the 13 states they had to compete in. If they had to compete in 50 states, they would have competed in 50 states.

Remember, while the Browns (Thomas Jefferson) was competing and winning in those years when there were only 13 states (teams), the Steelers (Aaron Burr) were also competing in those 13 states (teams) and losing. You had your chance to win Aaron Burr, sorry that Thomas Jefferson beat you.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

The point is that a team can only play under the rules that are in place at the time, and can only do what it can do under those rules.

I mean, it would be like saying that "George Washington and Thomas Jefferson didn't really win a legitimate Presidential election because, well, there were only 13 states back then." Well, they won the election in the 13 states they had to compete in. If they had to compete in 50 states, they would have competed in 50 states.

Remember, while the Browns (Thomas Jefferson) was competing and winning in those years when there were only 13 states (teams), the Steelers (Aaron Burr) were also competing in those 13 states (teams) and losing. You had your chance to win Aaron Burr, sorry that Thomas Jefferson beat you.

I seen your Point... but we are talking NFL Titles Gip. I guess your not , because you KNOW you have FOUR.

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Hes a Retard ... You guys support those Bums year in year out REAL Steeler fans know this. And the Old Guard respect the heck out of you for it. We were disappointed when Modell screwed you. What I hate is the BS tosses around about how WE Wouldn't support the Steelers IF we were losers. Well one thing is We are NOT Losers and with the current mindset will never be losers over a Long stretch. And for another thing we have sold out for Years and Years , You guys have games were attendance drops as well.. dont put ALL Steelers fans on One Bandwagon Group. the VAST Majority of our fans are Die hard not bandwagon. And Like it or not we are Cut from the same cloth. Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

OK, good, we find common ground: DJHero is a Retard. See Steeler and Browns fans can agree on something!!

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

OK, good, we find common ground: DJHero is a Retard. See Steeler and Browns fans can agree on something!!

LOL.... Dude . I Understand the Anger and Frustration. We have some Dickweeds as fans , You do too. But By and Large we Both have some of the Best Fans on the Planet. We are SPOILED and you guys are like our Poor Cousins whos Family Used to be the ones with the Success.

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

I seen your Point... but we are talking NFL Titles Gip. I guess your not , because you KNOW you have FOUR.

Who are WE? You got a mouse in your pocket? We includes ME and I am talking about the titles won in the NFL, and in the leagues that have merged with the NFL, including the AFL and the AAFC, as those teams are still here in this league today. And if YOU are talking about just NFL titles, WE still have 9, as the teams from Northeast Ohio that preceded the existance of the Browns won 5 NFL titles. The fact that some of those teams may have moved from Cleveland (like the Rams) or that some of them went defunct (like The Bulldogs) doesn't make those titles any less real.

FYI, for the past 20 years or so, I have been tracking the title records in all the "Big Four" sports, not just football, and I include the titles won by teams in "merged leagues" with the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA.

Example, in my compilation do you know that Pittsburgh even gets credit for a basketball title? Yes, the 1968 Pittsburgh Pipers won the ABA title. I do not throw out the Pittsburgh ABA title as willingly as you may wish to throw out titles legitimately won in Professional football. Do you also know that Utah, Oakland, Kentucky, New Jersey,and Indianapolis also have basketball championships from the ABA?

Do you also know that Houston has 2 Hockey titles, Hartford one, Quebec 1, and Winnipeg 3 from the WHA that merged with the NHL. Hartford were the Whalers that recently became the NHL Carolina Hurricane that won the Cup a couple years ago, and the Quebec Nordiques became the Colorado Avalanche who won a couple of cups, and the Winnipeg Jets became the Phoenix Coyotes? The Edmonton Oilers were part of the WHA, and who was on that team? Wayne Gretsky. Would you discount his accomplishments? Like you would Otto Graham's and Marion Motleys?

All these titles count. As do the Browns AAFC titles. None of these go away just because you may wish to put blinders on about it. They weren't minor league. They were legit. If that doesn't satisfy you....then just sing that Rolling Stones song, cause that what you get, or can't get.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

Who are WE? You got a mouse in your pocket? We includes ME and I am talking about the titles won in the NFL, and in the leagues that have merged with the NFL, including the AFL and the AAFC, as those teams are still here in this league today. And if YOU are talking about just NFL titles, WE still have 9, as the teams from Northeast Ohio that preceded the existance of the Browns won 5 NFL titles. The fact that some of those teams may have moved from Cleveland (like the Rams) or that some of them went defunct (like The Bulldogs) doesn't make those titles any less real.

FYI, for the past 20 years or so, I have been tracking the title records in all the "Big Four" sports, not just football, and I include the titles won by teams in "merged leagues" with the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA.

Example, in my compilation do you know that Pittsburgh even gets credit for a basketball title? Yes, the 1968 Pittsburgh Pipers won the ABA title. I do not throw out the Pittsburgh ABA title as willingly as you may wish to throw out titles legitimately won in Professional football. Do you also know that Utah, Oakland, Kentucky, New Jersey,and Indianapolis also have basketball championships from the ABA?

Do you also know that Houston has 2 Hockey titles, Hartford one, Quebec 1, and Winnipeg 3 from the WHA that merged with the NHL. Hartford were the Whalers that recently became the NHL Carolina Hurricane that won the Cup a couple years ago, and the Quebec Nordiques became the Colorado Avalanche who won a couple of cups, and the Winnipeg Jets became the Phoenix Coyotes? The Edmonton Oilers were part of the WHA, and who was on that team? Wayne Gretsky. Would you discount his accomplishments? Like you would Otto Graham's and Marion Motleys?

All these titles count. As do the Browns AAFC titles. None of these go away just because you may wish to put blinders on about it. They weren't minor league. They were legit. If that doesn't satisfy you....then just sing that Rolling Stones song, cause that what you get, or can't get.

An eight team "League" is hardly a League. I am sorry. If the NFL Fails to recognize it. I don't see why it really matters , when your talking NFL Football and the topic of how many Titles has each team won. Besides Browns Fans I cant imagine hardly anyone who would say Cleveland has 13 Football Titles. The Entire AFL Merged into the NFL... I can see their stance and recognize it. Not the AAFC. Or any other "Pro" League" Back in the Roaring 20`s. Neither of us is Budging on this so . Lets agree to disagree. LOL>

[Speedyd900rr]

I think it's more or less the older folks are proud of what the team accomplished back in the day. Let's say 40 years from now the NFL is played all over the globe and they ditch the super bowl for a name like the title bowl or something like that. Are you still going to be proud of the Steelers for the 6 superbowls they won even if there in dead last and stand no chance making it to the "title bowl"? Im sure you would be because that's how you will remember them. Even if there are more teams, a different name for the title game and alot more rules, it's still the 6 superbowls you were a witness to them winning. If that makes any sense lol.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@speedyd900rr said:

I think it's more or less the older folks are proud of what the team accomplished back in the day. Let's say 40 years from now the NFL is played all over the globe and they ditch the super bowl for a name like the title bowl or something like that. Are you still going to be proud of the Steelers for the 6 superbowls they won even if there in dead last and stand no chance making it to the "title bowl"? Im sure you would be because that's how you will remember them. Even if there are more teams, a different name for the title game and alot more rules, it's still the 6 superbowls you were a witness to them winning. If that makes any sense lol.

As long as its an NFL Title ... i totally understand it. And You guys Started with a Boom. Probably possibly would have Won 6 or 7 if you had jumped right in the League. But , thats not what happened. But 4 is a Good number , why embellish it with titles from these "Off" Leagues? be happy with 4.... they are Legitimate NFL Titles. Even with the MAJOR Benefit of just going out and Building that team by signing who ever you wanted , NO Draft just Paul Browns recruiting and a Fat wallet. But it is what it is , the NFL Admitted the Browns and the Browns Promptly took over for a spell. Props !!!

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Do you want me to tell you again what NFL Titles are ??? NATOIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Championships !!! How many NFL TITLES ??? Quit !!! You have 4 !! No one gives a freak that you had an NFL Caliber MINOR League Team !!! And good lord I KNOW your "The Gipper" but did they even have Helmets in the 20 `s ??? Screw that. Modern Football is a different Game . I will Give you the 50`s. But Its its NOT an NFL Title we dont CARE !!!

Yea, that minor League team whipped the NFL Champions 35-10 in their very first game in the NFL, and went on to appear in 7 or the next 8 championship games. Compared to the Browns, it was the NFL that was the Minor League.

(And as I have documented before, it was only Bert Bell's bitterness, resentment, and embarassment over that ass kicking as the motivation for the NFL's refusal to "recognize" the AAFC titles....The Browns didn't need his recognition...they just needed to kick the rest of the NFLs asses....and that they did.

And when you say that "Modern Football is a different game" then you have to start 'Modern Football" sometime in the mid 80s. That is when all the rules changes were made, when Free agency was instituted, when the new training and nutitional methods came about. The fact is, the football of the 70s was hardly changed at all from the football of the 40s and 50s. Example, the size of the Steeler offensive and defensive linemen of their 70s teams was on average almost exactly the same as the size of the Browns 40s and 50s linemen. However, compared to today, the Steelers linemen of that time are on average about 50-60 pounds lighter. The bump and run rules of course were eliminated in the early 80s (thus allowing the 49ers West Coast offenses to thrive. The offenses of the 70s were very similar to the 40s/50s offenses. Believe it or not, the one offense that was slightly different was the Browns offense....Otto Graham actually ran what amounted to a West Coast offense. I mean, Bill Walsh learned the WCO concepts when he was an assistant coach to Paul Brown.

In essence, if you want to discard older titles, you need to discard everything before about 1982 when the collective bargaining agreement began the Free Agency period.

[ITHIKA]

@drake54 said:

Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.

Really dont feel like getting into a fight.

90 percent of what you're hearing is wrong. The biggest thing is to have your girlfriend not wear any Steelers clothing, if she does that she'll be fine. Otherwise, you'll hear the chants asshole constantly and maybe more. Just tell her to keep the Steelers gear at home and you'll have a great time!

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

An eight team "League" is hardly a League. I am sorry. If the NFL Fails to recognize it. I don't see why it really matters , when your talking NFL Football and the topic of how many Titles has each team won. Besides Browns Fans I cant imagine hardly anyone who would say Cleveland has 13 Football Titles. The Entire AFL Merged into the NFL... I can see their stance and recognize it. Not the AAFC. Or any other "Pro" League" Back in the Roaring 20`s. Neither of us is Budging on this so . Lets agree to disagree. LOL>

Its not an issue of "disagreement". It is an issue of fact. You cannot erase history, no matter how hard you try or may wish to do so. The NFL, with its pettiness on some things, doesn't make the fu*ing rules for every goddam thing on earth.

And it ain't just Browns fans. Do I need to copy every posting from every website that shows all those Browns titles?

The Pro Football Hall of Fame ain't "just Browns fans". The Pro Football reference website where many people get their info ain't "just Browns fans", The Sporting News, last time I looked was headquartered in St. Louis, and it "ain't just Browns fans". The Elias Sports Bureau "ain't just Browns fans."

The fact is, it is YOU who are looking petty and appearing "anti-Browns". Would you argue this vociferously if it had been the 49ers who had won those AAFC titles that EVERY entity except one recognizes?

If the Steelers had by chance pulled out that 1947 victory in the playoffs, could we have been justified in arguing as you do "they don't count" as it was only won in an an 8 or 10 league team. (The NFL and the AAFC had about the same number of teams in those years....so if an AAFC title is "illegitimate" for having been won in too small a league, then the same could be said for every NFL title prior to the 1950 AAFC merger)

[Speedyd900rr]

or you could always dress her up in nothing but Steelers gear. Once she hears about 10,000 people calling her names she might decide to switch over and forget all about the Steelers. Never know!

[The Gipper]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

As long as its an NFL Title ... i totally understand it. And You guys Started with a Boom. Probably possibly would have Won 6 or 7 if you had jumped right in the League. But , thats not what happened. But 4 is a Good number , why embellish it with titles from these "Off" Leagues? be happy with 4.... they are Legitimate NFL Titles. Even with the MAJOR Benefit of just going out and Building that team by signing who ever you wanted , NO Draft just Paul Browns recruiting and a Fat wallet. But it is what it is , the NFL Admitted the Browns and the Browns Promptly took over for a spell. Props !!!

But, by your standards apparently even most NFL titles shouldn't count! Because A. the league was too small or B. the league was.....well whatever it was, it was no good because Pittsburgh sucked or something.

Here is a clue for you: MORE NFL titles have been played and awarded before the onset of the AFL/NFL playoff game than have been played since that game began. What Super Bowl number are we on? XLIV? How many is that?

The NFL/AFL/AAFC have had more championship awarded that the 40 whatever SBs have been awarded. They ALL still freeking count. Here they come, ready or not:

2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23

2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14

2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17

2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10

2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21

2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29

2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21

2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17

2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7

1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16

1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19

1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24

1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21

1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17

1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26

1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13

1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17

1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24

1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19

1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10

1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16

1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10

1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20

1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10

1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16

1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9

1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17

1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21

1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10

1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19

1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31

1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10

1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14

1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17

1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6

1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7

1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7

1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3

1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13

1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7

1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7

1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14

1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10

1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)

1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)

1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)

1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)

1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)

1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)

1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)

1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)

1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)

1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)

1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)

1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)

1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)

1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)

1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)

1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)

1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)

1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)

1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)

1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)

1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)

1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)

1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)

1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)

1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)

1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)

1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)

1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)

1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)

1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)

1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)

1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)

1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)

1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)

1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)

1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)

1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)

1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)

1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)

1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)

1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)

1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)

1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)

1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)

1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)

1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)

You can perhaps delete the memories from your brain (I reccomend hard drugs) but you cannot delete these facts.

[The Gipper]

And check this out. I can't even delete the Pittsburgh ABA championship:

2008-09 NBA Los Angeles Lakers L. James D. Rose D. Wade (2386) D. Howard (1093) C. Paul (861) L. James (20.3)

2007-08 NBA Boston Celtics K. Bryant K. Durant K. Bryant (2323) D. Howard (1161) C. Paul (925) C. Paul (17.8)

2006-07 NBA San Antonio Spurs D. Nowitzki B. Roy K. Bryant (2430) D. Howard (1008) S. Nash (884) D. Nowitzki (16.3)

2005-06 NBA Miami Heat S. Nash C. Paul K. Bryant (2832) D. Howard (1022) S. Nash (826) D. Nowitzki (17.7)

2004-05 NBA San Antonio Spurs S. Nash E. Okafor A. Iverson (2302) K. Garnett (1108) S. Nash (861) K. Garnett (16.1)

2003-04 NBA Detroit Pistons K. Garnett L. James K. Garnett (1987) K. Garnett (1139) S. Marbury (719) K. Garnett (18.3)

2002-03 NBA San Antonio Spurs T. Duncan A. Stoudemire K. Bryant (2461) B. Wallace (1126) J. Kidd (711) T. Duncan (16.5)

2001-02 NBA Los Angeles Lakers T. Duncan P. Gasol P. Pierce (2144) T. Duncan (1042) A. Miller (882) T. Duncan (17.8)

2000-01 NBA Los Angeles Lakers A. Iverson M. Miller J. Stackhouse (2380) B. Wallace (1052) J. Kidd (753) S. O'Neal (14.9)

1999-00 NBA Los Angeles Lakers S. O'Neal E. Brand

S. Francis S. O'Neal (2344) D. Mutombo (1157) G. Payton (732) S. O'Neal (18.6)

1998-99 NBA San Antonio Spurs K. Malone V. Carter S. O'Neal (1289) D. Mutombo (610) J. Kidd (539) K. Malone (9.6)

1997-98 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan T. Duncan M. Jordan (2357) D. Rodman (1201) R. Strickland (801) K. Malone (16.4)

1996-97 NBA Chicago Bulls K. Malone A. Iverson M. Jordan (2431) D. Mutombo (929) M. Jackson (935) M. Jordan (18.3)

1995-96 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan D. Stoudamire M. Jordan (2491) D. Robinson (1000) J. Stockton (916) M. Jordan (20.4)

1994-95 NBA Houston Rockets D. Robinson G. Hill

J. Kidd S. O'Neal (2315) D. Mutombo (1029) J. Stockton (1011) D. Robinson (17.5)

1993-94 NBA Houston Rockets H. Olajuwon C. Webber D. Robinson (2383) D. Rodman (1367) J. Stockton (1031) D. Robinson (20.0)

1992-93 NBA Chicago Bulls C. Barkley S. O'Neal M. Jordan (2541) D. Rodman (1132) J. Stockton (987) M. Jordan (17.2)

1991-92 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan L. Johnson M. Jordan (2404) D. Rodman (1530) J. Stockton (1126) M. Jordan (17.7)

1990-91 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan D. Coleman M. Jordan (2580) D. Robinson (1063) J. Stockton (1164) M. Jordan (20.3)

1989-90 NBA Detroit Pistons M. Johnson D. Robinson M. Jordan (2753) H. Olajuwon (1149) J. Stockton (1134) M. Jordan (19.0)

1988-89 NBA Detroit Pistons M. Johnson M. Richmond M. Jordan (2633) H. Olajuwon (1105) J. Stockton (1118) M. Jordan (19.8)

1987-88 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Jordan M. Jackson M. Jordan (2868) C. Oakley (1066) J. Stockton (1128) M. Jordan (21.2)

1986-87 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Johnson C. Person M. Jordan (3041) C. Oakley (1074) M. Johnson (977) M. Jordan (16.9)

1985-86 NBA Boston Celtics L. Bird P. Ewing A. English (2414) B. Laimbeer (1075) M. Johnson (907) L. Bird (15.8)

1984-85 NBA Los Angeles Lakers L. Bird M. Jordan M. Jordan (2313) M. Malone (1031) I. Thomas (1123) L. Bird (15.7)

1983-84 NBA Boston Celtics L. Bird R. Sampson A. Dantley (2418) B. Laimbeer (1003) I. Thomas (914) A. Dantley (14.6)

1982-83 NBA Philadelphia 76ers M. Malone T. Cummings A. English (2326) M. Malone (1194) M. Johnson (829) M. Malone (15.1)

1981-82 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Malone B. Williams G. Gervin (2551) M. Malone (1188) J. Moore (762) M. Malone (15.4)

1980-81 NBA Boston Celtics J. Erving D. Griffith A. Dantley (2452) M. Malone (1180) K. Porter (734) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.3)

1979-80 NBA Los Angeles Lakers K. Abdul-Jabbar L. Bird G. Gervin (2585) S. Nater (1216) M. Richardson (832) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.8)

1978-79 NBA Seattle Supersonics M. Malone P. Ford G. Gervin (2365) M. Malone (1444) K. Porter (1099) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.4)

1977-78 NBA Washington Bullets B. Walton W. Davis G. Gervin (2232) T. Robinson (1288) K. Porter (837) D. Thompson (12.7)

1976-77 NBA Portland Trail Blazers K. Abdul-Jabbar A. Dantley P. Maravich (2273) K. Abdul-Jabbar (1090) D. Buse (685) K. Abdul-Jabbar (17.8)

1975-76 NBA Boston Celtics K. Abdul-Jabbar A. Adams B. McAdoo (2427) K. Abdul-Jabbar (1383) S. Watts (661) K. Abdul-Jabbar (17.0)

1975-76 ABA New York Nets J. Erving D. Thompson J. Erving (2462) A. Gilmore (1303) D. Buse (689) J. Erving (17.7)

1974-75 NBA Golden State Warriors B. McAdoo J. Wilkes B. McAdoo (2831) B. McAdoo (1155) K. Porter (650) B. McAdoo (17.8)

1974-75 ABA Kentucky Colonels J. Erving

G. McGinnis M. Barnes G. McGinnis (2353) A. Gilmore (1361) C. Williams (576) J. Erving (17.6)

1973-74 NBA Boston Celtics K. Abdul-Jabbar E. DiGregorio B. McAdoo (2261) E. Hayes (1463) E. DiGregorio (663) K. Abdul-Jabbar (18.4)

1973-74 ABA New York Nets J. Erving S. Nater J. Erving (2299) A. Gilmore (1538) A. Smith (619) J. Erving (16.5)

1972-73 NBA New York Knickerbockers D. Cowens B. McAdoo T. Archibald (2719) W. Chamberlain (1526) T. Archibald (910) K. Abdul-Jabbar (21.9)

1972-73 ABA Indiana Pacers B. Cunningham B. Taylor D. Issel (2292) A. Gilmore (1476) C. Williams (582) A. Gilmore (18.5)

1971-72 NBA Los Angeles Lakers K. Abdul-Jabbar S. Wicks K. Abdul-Jabbar (2822) W. Chamberlain (1572) L. Wilkens (766) K. Abdul-Jabbar (25.4)

1971-72 ABA Indiana Pacers A. Gilmore A. Gilmore D. Issel (2538) A. Gilmore (1491) B. Melchionni (669) A. Gilmore (19.8)

1970-71 NBA Milwaukee Bucks K. Abdul-Jabbar D. Cowens

G. Petrie K. Abdul-Jabbar (2596) W. Chamberlain (1493) N. Van Lier (832) K. Abdul-Jabbar (22.3)

1970-71 ABA Utah Stars M. Daniels D. Issel

C. Scott D. Issel (2480) M. Daniels (1475) B. Melchionni (672) Z. Beaty (16.0)

1969-70 NBA New York Knickerbockers W. Reed K. Abdul-Jabbar K. Abdul-Jabbar (2361) E. Hayes (1386) L. Wilkens (683) J. West (15.2)

1969-70 ABA Indiana Pacers S. Haywood S. Haywood S. Haywood (2519) S. Haywood (1637) L. Brown (580) S. Haywood (17.1)

1968-69 NBA Boston Celtics W. Unseld W. Unseld E. Hayes (2327) W. Chamberlain (1712) O. Robertson (772) W. Reed (14.7)

1968-69 ABA Oakland Oaks M. Daniels W. Jabali L. Jones (2133) M. Daniels (1256) L. Brown (544) J. Jones (16.1)

1967-68 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain E. Monroe D. Bing (2142) W. Chamberlain (1952) W. Chamberlain (702) W. Chamberlain (20.4)

1967-68 ABA Pittsburgh Pipers C. Hawkins M. Daniels D. Moe (1884) M. Daniels (1213) L. Brown (506) C. Hawkins (17.9)

1966-67 NBA Philadelphia 76ers W. Chamberlain D. Bing R. Barry (2775) W. Chamberlain (1957) G. Rodgers (908) W. Chamberlain (21.9)

1965-66 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain R. Barry W. Chamberlain (2649) W. Chamberlain (1943) O. Robertson (847) W. Chamberlain (21.4)

1964-65 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell W. Reed W. Chamberlain (2534) B. Russell (1878) O. Robertson (861) O. Robertson (17.0)

1963-64 NBA Boston Celtics O. Robertson J. Lucas W. Chamberlain (2948) B. Russell (1930) O. Robertson (868) W. Chamberlain (25.0)

1962-63 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell T. Dischinger W. Chamberlain (3586) W. Chamberlain (1946) G. Rodgers (825) W. Chamberlain (20.9)

1961-62 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell W. Bellamy W. Chamberlain (4029) W. Chamberlain (2052) O. Robertson (899) W. Chamberlain (23.1)

1960-61 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell O. Robertson W. Chamberlain (3033) W. Chamberlain (2149) O. Robertson (690) W. Chamberlain (18.8)

1959-60 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain W. Chamberlain W. Chamberlain (2707) W. Chamberlain (1941) B. Cousy (715) W. Chamberlain (17.0)

1958-59 NBA Boston Celtics B. Pettit E. Baylor B. Pettit (2105) B. Russell (1612) B. Cousy (557) B. Pettit (14.8)

1957-58 NBA St. Louis Hawks B. Russell W. Sauldsberry G. Yardley (2001) B. Russell (1564) B. Cousy (463) D. Schayes (13.7)

1956-57 NBA Boston Celtics B. Cousy T. Heinsohn P. Arizin (1817) M. Stokes (1256) B. Cousy (478) N. Johnston (13.7)

1955-56 NBA Philadelphia Warriors B. Pettit M. Stokes B. Pettit (1849) B. Pettit (1164) B. Cousy (642) N. Johnston (13.9)

1954-55 NBA Syracuse Nationals B. Pettit N. Johnston (1631) N. Johnston (1085) B. Cousy (557) N. Johnston (15.4)

1953-54 NBA Minneapolis Lakers R. Felix N. Johnston (1759) H. Gallatin (1098) B. Cousy (518) N. Johnston (18.3)

1952-53 NBA Minneapolis Lakers M. Meineke N. Johnston (1564) G. Mikan (1007) B. Cousy (547) N. Johnston (15.3)

1951-52 NBA Minneapolis Lakers P. Arizin (1674) M. Hutchins (880) A. Phillip (539) P. Arizin (16.0)

1950-51 NBA Rochester Royals G. Mikan (1932) D. Schayes (1080) A. Phillip (414)

1949-50 NBA Minneapolis Lakers G. Mikan (1865) D. McGuire (386)

1948-49 BAA Minneapolis Lakers G. Mikan (1698) B. Davies (321)

1947-48 BAA Baltimore Bullets M. Zaslofsky (1007) H. Dallmar (120)

1946-47 BAA Philadelphia Warriors J. Fulks (1389) E. Calverley (202)