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  • Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals

    15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage

    Team first downs 11 team first downs 22

    third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19

    48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395

    total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)

    final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals

    top 21:49 top 38:55

    Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers

    6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing

    team first downs 12 team first downs 12

    169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)

    total net yards 255 total net yards 197

    final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers

    top 29:15 top 23:14

    so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season

    Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints

    total team first down 23 total team first downs 34

    total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269

    total net yards 424 total net yards 592

    total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34

    total top 51:04 total top 62:09

    opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36

    quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)

    Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)

    Anderson is + 11 total team first downs

    anderson is + +52 total team rushing

    Anderson is + 168 total team net yards

    Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points

    Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP

    I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.

    MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.

    However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.

    I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.

    However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.

    @osusev said:

    Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals

    15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage

    Team first downs 11 team first downs 22

    third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19

    48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395

    total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)

    final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals

    top 21:49 top 38:55

    Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers

    6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing

    team first downs 12 team first downs 12

    169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)

    total net yards 255 total net yards 197

    final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers

    top 29:15 top 23:14

    so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season

    Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints

    total team first down 23 total team first downs 34

    total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269

    total net yards 424 total net yards 592

    total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34

    total top 51:04 total top 62:09

    opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36

    quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)

    Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)

    Anderson is + 11 total team first downs

    anderson is + +52 total team rushing

    Anderson is + 168 total team net yards

    Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points

    Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP

    I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.

    MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.

    However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.

    I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.

    However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.

    DA will be gone after the season. Quinn is in for the long term.

  • that totally MIGHT be the case but it hard to tell with the Mangini regime and we dont know who the football czar is yet..... and what they might be comparing and reviewing versus leveraging for either trades, free agency and the draft...... you never really know. Quinn is not exactly lighting things up consistently and more often he is underwhelming in total offensive numbers for both the team and himself. wierder things have happened.

  • I'd argue that the weather also plays a big part in those as well. . . last night's game conditions were brutal!

  • Quinn vs the Bengals

    15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage

    Team first downs 11

    thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14

    48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)

    total net yards 169

    final score 16-7 Bengals

    top 21:49

    Anderson vs the Bengals

    26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage

    team first downs 22

    third down efficiency 31% 6/19

    total net yards 395

    144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)

    final score 23-20 Bengals

    top 38:55

    We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.

    @osusev said:

    Quinn vs the Bengals

    15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage

    Team first downs 11

    thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14

    48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)

    total net yards 169

    final score 16-7 Bengals

    top 21:49

    Anderson vs the Bengals

    26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage

    team first downs 22

    third down efficiency 31% 6/19

    total net yards 395

    144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)

    final score 23-20 Bengals

    top 38:55

    We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.

    are you kidding right now i sure hope so because you dont sound very smart...Anderson has a decent game against a team that quinn had a sub-par game and all of a sudden anderson is a pro bowl QB again.....C'mon man u dont even give the kid a chance he has started what 10 games. If you really want lets look at the TD/INT ratio Anderson 2TDs/8 Ints Quinn 8Tds 5 Ints none in the last four. So guess what quinn is our guy....we dont need someone who in 5 games has 8 ints.

  • Quinn's performance against the Steelers in Cleveland is definitely affected by the weather, just look at Anderson's stats in his win @Buffalo.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.

    Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.

    I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh

    (not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.

    @osusev said:

    Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.

    I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh

    (not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.

    Brady won against the Steelers and Anderson didn't.. suck on that

  • wow quite interesting comments, quinn is NOT a good qb right now.... his accuracy has been consistently bad, his mid arm strength and accuracy is POOR.... his much vaunted completion rate is LOWER than DA and so are ALL of his overall numbers.... DA is definately a risk taker that cost us turnovers....

    The numbers of them against the same two teams in the same season are what they are....Quinn has put in these numbers quite a few times just deal with it. I dont have a problem with him as qb.... the defense won against the steelers NOT quinn get over it. I dont care we won but the position is far from stable.

    DA is better offensively regardless of how you want to spin it the numbers agains the same teams twice in the same season are what they are.

  • I will give quinn a good review in the fact that he managed the game well and did not do anything stupid that would've stopped us from winning.

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

  • I will give quinn a good review in the fact that he managed the game well and did not do anything stupid that would've stopped us from winning.

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

    @mr.-t said:

    I will give quinn a good review in the fact that he managed the game well and did not do anything stupid that would've stopped us from winning.

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

    this is odd "managing" I could see but his completion rating was 31% for 90 yards. That's not managing that's poor performance When you only convert 2 first downs and get bailed out by long cribbs runs that's not "managing"

    if he converted 1st downs and completed 60%+ of the 1st down conversions than yes HE would be "managing" the game

    cribbs and the defense managed the game

    da is a better qb for the offense the comparative stats are what they are they don't have a opinion

  • @mr.-t said:

    I will give quinn a good review in the fact that he managed the game well and did not do anything stupid that would've stopped us from winning.

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

    this is odd "managing" I could see but his completion rating was 31% for 90 yards. That's not managing that's poor performance When you only convert 2 first downs and get bailed out by long cribbs runs that's not "managing"

    if he converted 1st downs and completed 60%+ of the 1st down conversions than yes HE would be "managing" the game

    cribbs and the defense managed the game

    da is a better qb for the offense the comparative stats are what they are they don't have a opinion

    @osusev said:

    this is odd "managing" I could see but his completion rating was 31% for 90 yards. That's not managing that's poor performance When you only convert 2 first downs and get bailed out by long cribbs runs that's not "managing"

    if he converted 1st downs and completed 60%+ of the 1st down conversions than yes HE would be "managing" the game

    cribbs and the defense managed the game

    da is a better qb for the offense the comparative stats are what they are they don't have a opinion

    I kept avoiding this stupid post since it has been resurrected, but somehow, I was stupid enough to get sucked in. Please....you DA supporters....if you have any way to go back and re watch his last 3 games, do it. Then, see if you are able to come back and post this crap. He sucks....being a former DA fan....it's hard to admit it, but Quinn is head and shoulders above DA in qb skills, and natural talent. I love DA's arm strength, but he's not able to make the decisions to evolve. Maybe, with the right coaching he can become a productive qb.....like they did with Testeverde....but at this point, he sucks. This is not to say that Quinn is Joe Montana, but he is still learning, and improving. I like DA, and hope he does well somewhere else...I just would prefer that they cut him from the team, now.

  • I will give quinn a good review in the fact that he managed the game well and did not do anything stupid that would've stopped us from winning.

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

    @mr.-t said:

    Q) do we have anyone that can catch a football on this team?

    Moore? Robiskie? Certainly none of the guys who were starting at the beginning of the season.

  • @osusev said:

    this is odd "managing" I could see but his completion rating was 31% for 90 yards. That's not managing that's poor performance When you only convert 2 first downs and get bailed out by long cribbs runs that's not "managing"

    if he converted 1st downs and completed 60%+ of the 1st down conversions than yes HE would be "managing" the game

    cribbs and the defense managed the game

    da is a better qb for the offense the comparative stats are what they are they don't have a opinion

    I kept avoiding this stupid post since it has been resurrected, but somehow, I was stupid enough to get sucked in. Please....you DA supporters....if you have any way to go back and re watch his last 3 games, do it. Then, see if you are able to come back and post this crap. He sucks....being a former DA fan....it's hard to admit it, but Quinn is head and shoulders above DA in qb skills, and natural talent. I love DA's arm strength, but he's not able to make the decisions to evolve. Maybe, with the right coaching he can become a productive qb.....like they did with Testeverde....but at this point, he sucks. This is not to say that Quinn is Joe Montana, but he is still learning, and improving. I like DA, and hope he does well somewhere else...I just would prefer that they cut him from the team, now.

    @lodilobo said:

    I kept avoiding this stupid post since it has been resurrected, but somehow, I was stupid enough to get sucked in. Please....you DA supporters....if you have any way to go back and re watch his last 3 games, do it. Then, see if you are able to come back and post this crap. He sucks....being a former DA fan....it's hard to admit it, but Quinn is head and shoulders above DA in qb skills, and natural talent. I love DA's arm strength, but he's not able to make the decisions to evolve. Maybe, with the right coaching he can become a productive qb.....like they did with Testeverde....but at this point, he sucks. This is not to say that Quinn is Joe Montana, but he is still learning, and improving. I like DA, and hope he does well somewhere else...I just would prefer that they cut him from the team, now.

    I see make a grandiose statement, but totally disregard statistical facts. I like how things are "stupid" when you start a post based upon statistical comparisons not opinion..... sure I could see if you wanted to argue about sample variables.... if you want I can define that for you...... But no its "stupid"......

    Here let me help you.... the comparable sample variables that were NOT taken into consideration are ; WEATHER..... Different skill players.....opposing teams injuries....... Stadium locations..... total time of qb to skill player saturation in practices.....

    these variables MIGHT affect the statistical variances in performances that were used as metrics of comparisons..... I suppose if we take wind direction and air density those could have had effects on rotation of the ball increasing or decreasing accuracy..... Wait you could even claimed the air temperature had an effect on fluid dynamics within Brady quinn thereby making his muscles working harder to contract to keep warm affecting his flud delivery of the ball hurting his accuracy..... Maybe it was the coreolis affect on his deep throws that was thrown off by wind gusts because of the architectures of the stadiums create odd wind patterns....

    I mean seriously it is a rare oppurtunity to compare two qbs who play the exact same two teams in the same season. What was wrong by comparing the STATS side by side? Was it because it does not fit the narrative you want to tell yourself based upon nothing but your "gut" instinct and your visual analysis? sure I know its "stupid" when our team is now has a grand total of 2 wins to look at every position analytically.... Wait lets based this on jersey sales statistics...... I like the still learning and improving statement after three years and his stats have stayed a pretty constant mean average. "right" coaching is used for an excuse for Quinn but DA has had the same and of course he just sucks and the coaches were all there for him too,,,,,, learning... sure even though the relative ages are similar...

    By the way I forgot BQ was "NFL" ready played in a "NFL" system touted by the Great Charlie Weis..... hmmmm where again is charlie weis? oh thats right he was fired after tanking...... leading the irish to the worst single season in history....... Sure the tumble in the draft of BQ was all a mistake and the Browns magically found a gem when 20+ franchises passed.......

    His completion rate and accuracy are awesome and he is a "manager" now and does not lose...... I suppose if you want to spin it that way it makes perfect sense.... He is smart because he does not turn the ball over..... its kind of hard to turn the ball over when you throw checkdowns constantly for low completion rates... Why dont you go pimp his collegiate accolades now or his NFL stats? o wait you want to pick his last three games.... ok lets go randomly pick three games for DA...... you probably would say that was flawed but for Quinn its used as a rebuttal and a final finding.

  • @osusev said:

    Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals

    15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage

    Team first downs 11 team first downs 22

    third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19

    48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395

    total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)

    final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals

    top 21:49 top 38:55

    Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers

    6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing

    team first downs 12 team first downs 12

    169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)

    total net yards 255 total net yards 197

    final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers

    top 29:15 top 23:14

    so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season

    Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints

    total team first down 23 total team first downs 34

    total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269

    total net yards 424 total net yards 592

    total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34

    total top 51:04 total top 62:09

    opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36

    quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)

    Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)

    Anderson is + 11 total team first downs

    anderson is + +52 total team rushing

    Anderson is + 168 total team net yards

    Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points

    Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP

    I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.

    MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.

    However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.

    I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.

    However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.

    DA will be gone after the season. Quinn is in for the long term.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    DA will be gone after the season. Quinn is in for the long term.

    I just want to remind you that it was 16 degrees with 40 mph gusts. Plus they didn't let quinn get in a rhythm which he is definably a rhythm style quarterback

  • @lodilobo said:

    I kept avoiding this stupid post since it has been resurrected, but somehow, I was stupid enough to get sucked in. Please....you DA supporters....if you have any way to go back and re watch his last 3 games, do it. Then, see if you are able to come back and post this crap. He sucks....being a former DA fan....it's hard to admit it, but Quinn is head and shoulders above DA in qb skills, and natural talent. I love DA's arm strength, but he's not able to make the decisions to evolve. Maybe, with the right coaching he can become a productive qb.....like they did with Testeverde....but at this point, he sucks. This is not to say that Quinn is Joe Montana, but he is still learning, and improving. I like DA, and hope he does well somewhere else...I just would prefer that they cut him from the team, now.

    I see make a grandiose statement, but totally disregard statistical facts. I like how things are "stupid" when you start a post based upon statistical comparisons not opinion..... sure I could see if you wanted to argue about sample variables.... if you want I can define that for you...... But no its "stupid"......

    Here let me help you.... the comparable sample variables that were NOT taken into consideration are ; WEATHER..... Different skill players.....opposing teams injuries....... Stadium locations..... total time of qb to skill player saturation in practices.....

    these variables MIGHT affect the statistical variances in performances that were used as metrics of comparisons..... I suppose if we take wind direction and air density those could have had effects on rotation of the ball increasing or decreasing accuracy..... Wait you could even claimed the air temperature had an effect on fluid dynamics within Brady quinn thereby making his muscles working harder to contract to keep warm affecting his flud delivery of the ball hurting his accuracy..... Maybe it was the coreolis affect on his deep throws that was thrown off by wind gusts because of the architectures of the stadiums create odd wind patterns....

    I mean seriously it is a rare oppurtunity to compare two qbs who play the exact same two teams in the same season. What was wrong by comparing the STATS side by side? Was it because it does not fit the narrative you want to tell yourself based upon nothing but your "gut" instinct and your visual analysis? sure I know its "stupid" when our team is now has a grand total of 2 wins to look at every position analytically.... Wait lets based this on jersey sales statistics...... I like the still learning and improving statement after three years and his stats have stayed a pretty constant mean average. "right" coaching is used for an excuse for Quinn but DA has had the same and of course he just sucks and the coaches were all there for him too,,,,,, learning... sure even though the relative ages are similar...

    By the way I forgot BQ was "NFL" ready played in a "NFL" system touted by the Great Charlie Weis..... hmmmm where again is charlie weis? oh thats right he was fired after tanking...... leading the irish to the worst single season in history....... Sure the tumble in the draft of BQ was all a mistake and the Browns magically found a gem when 20+ franchises passed.......

    His completion rate and accuracy are awesome and he is a "manager" now and does not lose...... I suppose if you want to spin it that way it makes perfect sense.... He is smart because he does not turn the ball over..... its kind of hard to turn the ball over when you throw checkdowns constantly for low completion rates... Why dont you go pimp his collegiate accolades now or his NFL stats? o wait you want to pick his last three games.... ok lets go randomly pick three games for DA...... you probably would say that was flawed but for Quinn its used as a rebuttal and a final finding.

    @osusev said:

    I see make a grandiose statement, but totally disregard statistical facts. I like how things are "stupid" when you start a post based upon statistical comparisons not opinion..... sure I could see if you wanted to argue about sample variables.... if you want I can define that for you...... But no its "stupid"......

    Here let me help you.... the comparable sample variables that were NOT taken into consideration are ; WEATHER..... Different skill players.....opposing teams injuries....... Stadium locations..... total time of qb to skill player saturation in practices.....

    these variables MIGHT affect the statistical variances in performances that were used as metrics of comparisons..... I suppose if we take wind direction and air density those could have had effects on rotation of the ball increasing or decreasing accuracy..... Wait you could even claimed the air temperature had an effect on fluid dynamics within Brady quinn thereby making his muscles working harder to contract to keep warm affecting his flud delivery of the ball hurting his accuracy..... Maybe it was the coreolis affect on his deep throws that was thrown off by wind gusts because of the architectures of the stadiums create odd wind patterns....

    I mean seriously it is a rare oppurtunity to compare two qbs who play the exact same two teams in the same season. What was wrong by comparing the STATS side by side? Was it because it does not fit the narrative you want to tell yourself based upon nothing but your "gut" instinct and your visual analysis? sure I know its "stupid" when our team is now has a grand total of 2 wins to look at every position analytically.... Wait lets based this on jersey sales statistics...... I like the still learning and improving statement after three years and his stats have stayed a pretty constant mean average. "right" coaching is used for an excuse for Quinn but DA has had the same and of course he just sucks and the coaches were all there for him too,,,,,, learning... sure even though the relative ages are similar...

    By the way I forgot BQ was "NFL" ready played in a "NFL" system touted by the Great Charlie Weis..... hmmmm where again is charlie weis? oh thats right he was fired after tanking...... leading the irish to the worst single season in history....... Sure the tumble in the draft of BQ was all a mistake and the Browns magically found a gem when 20+ franchises passed.......

    His completion rate and accuracy are awesome and he is a "manager" now and does not lose...... I suppose if you want to spin it that way it makes perfect sense.... He is smart because he does not turn the ball over..... its kind of hard to turn the ball over when you throw checkdowns constantly for low completion rates... Why dont you go pimp his collegiate accolades now or his NFL stats? o wait you want to pick his last three games.... ok lets go randomly pick three games for DA...... you probably would say that was flawed but for Quinn its used as a rebuttal and a final finding.

    Heres a stat for you.

    Quinn 7 passing tds... Anderson 2...

  • ^ Don't forget total passing TDs: Quinn 8, Anderson 2

    Total TDs: Quinn 9, Anderson 4

    Total TOs: Quinn 8, Anderson 12

    And every other stat.

  • wow..... and the variables vs the comparison similarities..... really lets just pick some random sample games with little to no similarity and throw that out there....

    Let me guess neither of you ever took a statistics course or ever picked up a elementary school book explaining the law of averages or the scientific theory.....

    every other stat.... ok..... lmao

  • 40 mph winds..... and now he needs rhythm and thats his "style" the only style in the NFL he has is that of low arm strength poor accuracy, tendancy to check down.... stated by almost every announcer or analyst either on the NFL network or ESPN not too mention his pro scouting reports and proven by his low total yards, low td totals, average yds per catch, and the defensive schemes after his firts game vs denver.....

    You really want to compare total tds with DA or well anything? win loss, yards per catch? tell you what www.NFL.com yea there are these pages with numbers...... game by game analysis and indepth per drive information of every game that BQ or DA played in..... you should really read or do some statistical research....

    Or you can cherry pick a couple of games and GO gotcha.... burn! or whatever you are hi fiving yourself over your apparent genius..... lmao.

  • 40 mph winds..... and now he needs rhythm and thats his "style" the only style in the NFL he has is that of low arm strength poor accuracy, tendancy to check down.... stated by almost every announcer or analyst either on the NFL network or ESPN not too mention his pro scouting reports and proven by his low total yards, low td totals, average yds per catch, and the defensive schemes after his firts game vs denver.....

    You really want to compare total tds with DA or well anything? win loss, yards per catch? tell you what www.NFL.com yea there are these pages with numbers...... game by game analysis and indepth per drive information of every game that BQ or DA played in..... you should really read or do some statistical research....

    Or you can cherry pick a couple of games and GO gotcha.... burn! or whatever you are hi fiving yourself over your apparent genius..... lmao.

    @osusev said:

    40 mph winds..... and now he needs rhythm and thats his "style" the only style in the NFL he has is that of low arm strength poor accuracy, tendancy to check down.... stated by almost every announcer or analyst either on the NFL network or ESPN not too mention his pro scouting reports and proven by his low total yards, low td totals, average yds per catch, and the defensive schemes after his firts game vs denver.....

    You really want to compare total tds with DA or well anything? win loss, yards per catch? tell you what www.NFL.com yea there are these pages with numbers...... game by game analysis and indepth per drive information of every game that BQ or DA played in..... you should really read or do some statistical research....

    Or you can cherry pick a couple of games and GO gotcha.... burn! or whatever you are hi fiving yourself over your apparent genius..... lmao.

    Oh, totally get the point of using games with the same teams as only valid stats.

    Like for example the steelers. In their first two games against Cle and Cin the played this guy Named Ben Rothlisberger and he went

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cle 23 35 66% 2 1 3

    Cin 22 31 71% 1 1 1

    TOT 45 66 68% 3 2 4

    To bad for them they had to use a guy called Ben Rothlisberger for the last two meetings with the same teams, the new guy went.

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cin 20 40 50% 0 1 4

    Cle 18 32 56% 0 0 8

    TOT 38 72 53% 0 1 12

    This is all very statistically significant and the steelers should definately use the other guy instead of the one who played on monday.

    All this is off cause obvious to everybody that has statistical knowledge, which we all know includes reading Brahmagupta and Cardano

    Ps, Im sorry if my first post is a little rude

  • @osusev said:

    40 mph winds..... and now he needs rhythm and thats his "style" the only style in the NFL he has is that of low arm strength poor accuracy, tendancy to check down.... stated by almost every announcer or analyst either on the NFL network or ESPN not too mention his pro scouting reports and proven by his low total yards, low td totals, average yds per catch, and the defensive schemes after his firts game vs denver.....

    You really want to compare total tds with DA or well anything? win loss, yards per catch? tell you what www.NFL.com yea there are these pages with numbers...... game by game analysis and indepth per drive information of every game that BQ or DA played in..... you should really read or do some statistical research....

    Or you can cherry pick a couple of games and GO gotcha.... burn! or whatever you are hi fiving yourself over your apparent genius..... lmao.

    Oh, totally get the point of using games with the same teams as only valid stats.

    Like for example the steelers. In their first two games against Cle and Cin the played this guy Named Ben Rothlisberger and he went

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cle 23 35 66% 2 1 3

    Cin 22 31 71% 1 1 1

    TOT 45 66 68% 3 2 4

    To bad for them they had to use a guy called Ben Rothlisberger for the last two meetings with the same teams, the new guy went.

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cin 20 40 50% 0 1 4

    Cle 18 32 56% 0 0 8

    TOT 38 72 53% 0 1 12

    This is all very statistically significant and the steelers should definately use the other guy instead of the one who played on monday.

    All this is off cause obvious to everybody that has statistical knowledge, which we all know includes reading Brahmagupta and Cardano

    Ps, Im sorry if my first post is a little rude

    @a_rytter said:

    Oh, totally get the point of using games with the same teams as only valid stats.

    Like for example the steelers. In their first two games against Cle and Cin the played this guy Named Ben Rothlisberger and he went

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cle 23 35 66% 2 1 3

    Cin 22 31 71% 1 1 1

    TOT 45 66 68% 3 2 4

    To bad for them they had to use a guy called Ben Rothlisberger for the last two meetings with the same teams, the new guy went.

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cin 20 40 50% 0 1 4

    Cle 18 32 56% 0 0 8

    38 72 53% 0 1 12

    This is all very statistically significant and the steelers should definately use the other guy instead of the one who played on monday.

    All this is off cause obvious to everybody that has statistical knowledge, which we all know includes reading Brahmagupta and Cardano

    Ps, Im sorry if my first post is a little rude

    wow that was so mind blowing I just cant get over it... lol it was a nice attempt.... ok I will go slow for you (ps im sorry the post is a little rude)

    1 you only used 1 adverserial game as a comparison sample.... which is not enough....... (should have read the very first post)

    2 You have a consistent data existing with Ben with simiilar systems and skill players........ um something we dont have with either qb

    3 your data was so sparse and you did not blend the data between your samples because well you only chose one sample so you could not

    4 if you looked at the factors and cross compared that to the total amount of data from both qbs over the last 2 years the findings from these 4 games only confirm overall trends with both of these guys....

    I am glad this is your first post because you may have had a "gut" reaction to what you theoretically thought was a witty response.... otherwise known as a fail but nice try.

  • @a_rytter said:

    Oh, totally get the point of using games with the same teams as only valid stats.

    Like for example the steelers. In their first two games against Cle and Cin the played this guy Named Ben Rothlisberger and he went

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cle 23 35 66% 2 1 3

    Cin 22 31 71% 1 1 1

    TOT 45 66 68% 3 2 4

    To bad for them they had to use a guy called Ben Rothlisberger for the last two meetings with the same teams, the new guy went.

    comp pass TD Int sck

    Cin 20 40 50% 0 1 4

    Cle 18 32 56% 0 0 8

    38 72 53% 0 1 12

    This is all very statistically significant and the steelers should definately use the other guy instead of the one who played on monday.

    All this is off cause obvious to everybody that has statistical knowledge, which we all know includes reading Brahmagupta and Cardano

    Ps, Im sorry if my first post is a little rude

    wow that was so mind blowing I just cant get over it... lol it was a nice attempt.... ok I will go slow for you (ps im sorry the post is a little rude)

    1 you only used 1 adverserial game as a comparison sample.... which is not enough....... (should have read the very first post)

    2 You have a consistent data existing with Ben with simiilar systems and skill players........ um something we dont have with either qb

    3 your data was so sparse and you did not blend the data between your samples because well you only chose one sample so you could not

    4 if you looked at the factors and cross compared that to the total amount of data from both qbs over the last 2 years the findings from these 4 games only confirm overall trends with both of these guys....

    I am glad this is your first post because you may have had a "gut" reaction to what you theoretically thought was a witty response.... otherwise known as a fail but nice try.

    @osusev said:

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    1 you only used 1 adverserial game as a comparison sample.... which is not enough....... (should have read the very first post)

    2 You have a consistent data existing with Ben with simiilar systems and skill players........ um something we dont have with either qb

    3 your data was so sparse and you did not blend the data between your samples because well you only chose one sample so you could not

    4 if you looked at the factors and cross compared that to the total amount of data from both qbs over the last 2 years the findings from these 4 games only confirm overall trends with both of these guys....

    1,2,3 Beware of Sarcasm (I've read the first post and do know the data is insufficient, hence my referal to the readings)

    4. both guys? Meaning Both Bens or Anderson Vs. Quinn?